GM SUPERCHARGER now offered as a dealer install!

[yank dini]

Good thing I don't know how to drive a stick shift (dont laugh)

[cibomatto]

LOL @ "A higher insurance premium A lack of low end torque"

[d_m_kolb]

Yes the GT has 4 wheel disk so they can stop and turn around faster when a base model blows there doors off.Sorry I couldn't resist. I hope all GT owners don't hate me now. Come on it was funny!

[rasermon]

quote:I hope all GT owners don't hate me now. Come on it was funny!I don't hate you Derek, not yet.....

[lordyogi]

i hope you all realize that even vibe GT's are not really that fast of a car, im not dissing it any but there are a lot of cars out there faster. you may be saying that with a supercharged base you will be faster than a gt but that is 3 grand into base. its hard to call a car the runs 17's a good tuner car. a car that runs high 15's even with high compression still has a better shot at reaching low 13's than the base.not to flame on anyone, but a lot of you are starting to sound like those many ricers that we know and love to hate, because with little mods they think their car is unbeatable. GT's are very beatable, any base vibe with a supercharger is just as beatable.yogi

[NovaResource]

I know. I want the supercharger to put my base Vibe closer (or even a little faster than) my old Sunbird V6 which ran 15.5 in the quarter. That will make me faster than about 80% of the cars on the road. Right now my base Vibe is only mid-pack (faster than about 50% of the cars). If I want to go real fast I'll take the Nova.

[NovaResource]

quote:I'd like to see the actual stopping distances differences between the all disc GT and base model!An article called "Boxes, Size Small" in the June 2002 issue of Car and Driver compared 6 small wagons:1st = Mazda Protegé52nd = Chrysler PT Cruiser3rd = Toyota Matrix XRS4th = Ford Focus ZX55th = Pontiac Vibe (base)6th = Suzuki Aerio SXThe XRS with rear discs did stop 17' shorter from 70-mph than the base Vibe rear drums. However, alot of that difference can be attributed the XRS having ABS and the larger and stickier 17" Firestone Firehawk tires while the base Vibe had the stock 16" tires and no ABS.quote:...on the GT are the rear ones as large as the front ones?No, the rear discs are thinner and smaller in diameter.

[d_m_kolb]

I'm willing to bet the base Vibe with anti-lock brakes can brake close to the same as a GT. On the subject of the Vibe being slow, most people can't afford a faster car first off because of price and second because of insurance. So people buy a cheaper car and then when extra money comes in they mod the cheaper car. The Vibe has perks like looks cool and has a big trunk. I have seen some Celicas that are forced inducted running in the 13 to 14 seconds. Time slips can be found at http://www.newcelica.org. The Vibe is a little heavier and is built with the same engine and trans. I could see a Vibe hitting low 14s high 14s with a turbo set up. I'm sure someone will hit 13s at some point.2ZZ-GE Celica GTSMods List: Injen CAI, TRM Exhaust, NOS 50 Shot Wet Kit, Nitto 555 Drag Radials Full Timeslip: R/T .706 60' 2.394 330 6.192 1/8 9.203 MPH 82.66 1000 11.780 1/4 13.949 MPH 104.48 1ZZ-FE Celica GTMods List: Injen CAI, HS header, unbolted exhaust, safc, trd springs If he had a turbo I'd bet he could hit 13s easy.Full Timeslip: R/T .7030 60' 2.2308 330 6.2342 1/8 9.5235 MPH 1000 12.3492 1/4 14.7865 MPH 93.4253

[rodzombie]

Can't afford a fast car????? Last time I checked I believe you could buy a late model used f-body with the 5.7 in it for about half of what a new Vibe cost. And god ( and every body else ) knows that for half the cost of the money you'ld sink into any four cylinder you can put an F-body in the low 9's. I know tons of people who have older big bodied cars that run 13's in the quarter. These cars all have less than $10,000 invested in them. They may not have 20" wheels and 400 watt sound systems but they do go very fast and are very affordable. And some are even driven daily. Don't get me wrong I think it's cool as can be to see a small four cylinder pushing the same amount of pony's as a bigger V8, but all that power come at about twice the cost. There is only one substitute for cubic inches and that's money. But knowing this isn't going to stop me from getting in line for a new supercharger for my Vibe. See you all in the parts department.

[NovaResource]

quote:Last time I checked I believe you could buy a late model used f-body with the 5.7 in it for about half of what a new Vibe cost.You better check again. 1998 Z28's (first year of the LS1 engine) run about $12K. That isn't half a new Vibe.quote:And god ( and every body else ) knows that for half the cost of the money you'ld sink into any four cylinder you can put an F-body in the low 9's.9's! Let's have a reality check here. A 9 second ET is very fast for a real street car (not a track only car). It takes alot of cash to get an F-body in the 9's, even the 10's. 11's are more realistic.

[frostyGT]

The reason I went for the GT was because when cruising at seventy on the highway, the base vibe makes you ache to shift one more time. I love being able to put it in sixth and relax without the engine revving so high.Just my opinion, though...Plus I wanted to brag to my friends about having a six-speed, which is just too cool Oh yeah, and those brake things

[NovaResource]

quote:I love being able to put it in sixth and relax without the engine revving so high.Guess again GT-boy. The GT revs HIGHER than an automatic or the 5-speed in a base Vibe at the same speed. 5th gear in the 5-speed is the exact same ratio as 6th in the 6-speed yet the 6-speed has a lower (numerically higher) final drive ratio.Auto (2WD):1st : 4.012nd : 2.213rd : 1.434th : 0.98Reverse : 3.27Final Drive Ratio: 2.965-speed manual:1st : 3.172nd : 1.903rd : 1.314th : 0.895th : 0.73Reverse : 3.25Final Drive Ratio: 3.946-speed manual:1st : 3.172nd : 2.053rd : 1.484th : 1.175th : 0.926th : 0.73Reverse : 3.25Final Drive Ratio: 4.53(gear ratio source: http://media.gm.com/division/canada/eng ... e3Vibe.htm)Do the math:2WD auto w/16" wheels:60 in 4th gear = 2350-rpm70 in 4th gear = 2741-rpm5-speed w/16" wheels:60 in 5th gear = 2330-rpm70 in 5th gear = 2718-rpm6-speed w/16" wheels:60 in 6th gear = 2678-rpm70 in 6th gear = 3125-rpm

[frostyGT]

I guess I assumed it performed about the same as my friend's MR-2 Spyder, which has the same engine as the base Vibe. His car is at about 4000 at 70.Thanks for the numbers! The GT is still cooler, though

[NovaResource]

Yep, the MR2 has a different trans with different gear ratios and smaller tires. The ratios are:MR2 sequential 5-speed manual:1st : 3.17 (same as Vibe)2nd : 1.90 (same as Vibe)3rd : 1.39 (Vibe = 1.31)4th : 1.03 (Vibe = 0.89)5th : 0.82 (Vibe = 0.73)Reverse : 3.25 (same as Vibe)Final Drive Ratio: 4.31 (Vibe = 3.94)The wheels/tires are 185/55-15 = 72.3" circumference (Vibe = 205/55-16 = 78.23" circumference)60 in 5th gear = 3097-rpm (Vibe = 2330-rpm)70 in 5th gear = 3613-rpm (Vibe = 2718-rpm)

[Frosty]

quote:buy a late model used f-body with the 5.7 in it for about half of what a new Vibe cost. Ok sure. Then spend twice as much on fuel, have a joke of a back seat, have no access to back country roads, be a magnet for troopers.....Don't get me wrong, I love the F bodies and am sorry they are discontinued (I especially ache for a new C5 Corvette) but these are Apples/Oranges comparisons.

[Yoda]

Mebbe if I just rip out an LS1 and tranny and install it in my vibe - then I can have the best of both . You can laugh if you want - but I'm really wondering if this would be possible with say a v6 out of an IS300 or even something from the new IS430... Do you guys think this would void my warranty?Sometimes I say something so brilliant - I scare myself stupid.

[d_m_kolb]

quote:Mebbe if I just rip out an LS1 and tranny and install it in my vibe - then I can have the best of both . You can laugh if you want - but I'm really wondering if this would be possible with say a v6 out of an IS300 or even something from the new IS430... Do you guys think this would void my warranty?Sometimes I say something so brilliant - I scare myself stupid.If your going to do a engine swap I'd be looking for a wreched Grand national to steal the turboed 3.8L V6. 310 HP! I wouldn't put any other engine in it. But this is just me and I'm a fan of the GM 3.8s

[rodzombie]

Now your talking. A turbo 3.8 in a base vibe. I wonder if a late model S-10 rear end is narrow enough to fit between the rear fender wells? Or you could always just narrow a Gm 12 bolt or Dana 44. What tranny would you use in that swap?

[rodzombie]

How much money would you need to sink into your new Vibe to get it to run and handle like a bone stock 2002 Camaro SS. A $31000 car. do you think you could get it done for $13000? If that's possible, think, of how well the Camaro would run if you sank about $13000 into it. This was the point I was trying to make yesterday. Speed is obtainable for less than most people think. Both Ford and GM offer factory fress crate motors that bost very impressive HP ratings and are very affordable. And I have found several late model f bodys for around half the cost of a new Vibe. Most around $10,000. And it would cost you double the cash to put a Vibe in the 9s than it would an F-Body. I will agree with you as far as it being more costly to make a 9 second car streetable as well. That is a totally differant situation. But it would still be cheaper to do it with an f-body than it would a Vibe.

[NovaResource]

If I wanted a Camaro, I would have bought a Camaro. I have a Nova if I want to go Camaro SS fast. I don't want a Camaro 'cause I wanted the room of the Vibe. What's wrong with making my daily driver a little faster than it is stock? Get a clue.

[d_m_kolb]

The 1ZZ with a supercharger installed will be rated at 189HP.Quote from David Draper of West Covina Toyotaquote:I think my issue with it is....189 hp? For guaranteedly no less than $3300? I guess it isn't terrible or anything, and a nice alternative for those who want a pick-me-up, but geez....it's still not even 200hp.I guess it's good they're working on that sort of thing, although it's frustrating it took GM to get it pushed through....The reason the 4 and 6 cylinder truck superchargers are so inexpensive, is because they are bolt-and-go, and that's it.The V8 supercharger requires a supplemental injector, as well as piggyback ECU's to control that and other functions.This supercharger has a supplemental injector, so the odds of it being released with an MSRP of less than $3500 is slim....Here is a pic of the SC installed on the 1ZZ

[old man winter]

I think I’m going to eat some crow. After reading all this I think that I’m going to retract my statement on the GT;“OH MY GOD!... why buy a GT. If I still had mine I would be pissed. You could buy a base then spend a few grand more... then wave by by when you fly past.”The Gt has much more to offer right out of the box. And if you want to stay ahead of the base with sc it wont be hard. All you will need is an exhaust, CAI, and some lightweight pulleys, just to name a few alternatives. When a base gets an sc he won’t stop the spending there. Tires and rims will be needed along with better breaks, and he won’t have a six speed.

[Cubanpete]

Well..........If what you say is true that GM Monitors this site often, then they should really hear this!!!!. They Charge us in Canada 26,550 for a GTas the Primo Racer in the Vibe family,and now they will be offering this supercharger for a base vibe at less then the total cost of a base GT. Which is a (removed) off if you ask me!.....I asked for options like thesewhen I was shopping around in October, and none were available a week and a Half after I got my GT, Low and behold an SC is optional now, this is Great for new base owners, ... I think it would be feasable for "The People" to file a class action law suit against auto makers theyshould be obligated to send us back money for a "Rip Off" of this nature, or give us the oppurtunity tyo upgrade our engine (GT) with a contraption of this nature. I believe a similar class auction law suit was once filed towards IBM and "The People" won and were compensated!So if anyone here feels this is a step in the write direction, please start a new thread and post your comments on this.

[rodzombie]

quote:If I wanted a Camaro, I would have bought a Camaro. I have a Nova if I want to go Camaro SS fast. I don't want a Camaro 'cause I wanted the room of the Vibe. What's wrong with making my daily driver a little faster than it is stock? Get a clue.Dude there is nothing wrong with making your daily driver faster. I plan on getting the SC for my Vibe.All I was intending to say in my reply ( to someone elses post in the first place ) was that horse power doesn't have to be expensive. And that a fast car ( faster car than stock ) is easier and cheaper to build if you start with an already fast car. If you want to spend money on your car then by all means do it.And if you don't want a Camaro you could still buy a Firebird it's an F-Body too. Just kidding Oh by the way thanks for the rude ending to your last reply Your too kind.

[NovaResource]

quote:All I was intending to say in my reply ( to someone elses post in the first place )No, your reply was to me. Look at the title:quote:Re: GM SUPERCHARGER now offered as a dealer install! (NovaResource) 11:09 PM 11/8/2002 How much money would you need to sink into your new Vibe to get it to run and handle like a bone stock 2002 Camaro SS. A $31000 car. do you think you could get it done for $13000? If that's possible, think, of how well the Camaro would run if you sank about $13000 into it. This was the point I was trying to make yesterday. Speed is obtainable for less than most people think. Both Ford and GM offer factory fress crate motors that bost very impressive HP ratings and are very affordable. And I have found several late model f bodys for around half the cost of a new Vibe. Most around $10,000. And it would cost you double the cash to put a Vibe in the 9s than it would an F-Body. I will agree with you as far as it being more costly to make a 9 second car streetable as well. That is a totally differant situation. But it would still be cheaper to do it with an f-body than it would a Vibe.It clearly says (NovaResource). So you were replying to me.quote:was that horse power doesn't have to be expensive.Horsepower is expensive. The faster you want to go, the more expensive it gets.quote:Oh by the way thanks for the rude ending to your last reply Your too kind.I wan't trying to be kind, I was being truthful. And you still don't get it. Yes, it's better to start with a faster car however, but you have to WANT that faster car. That is what I'm trying to say. I don't want a Camaro or a Corvette, or a Viper or whatever, I wanted a Vibe. I'm not looking to go Camaro SS fast, I'm looking to go faster than a stock Vibe and faster than a GT Vibe and faster than my last daily driver. This is why I want to make my Vibe faster. Not to race Corvettes but to be faster than my last daily driver and faster than 90% of the car on the cars on the road. The other 10% (Camaro Z28's and SS's, Mustang GT's and Cobras, Vipers, Corvettes, etc) I'm not interested in beating.

[rodzombie]

Thank you captain obvious. ( Can't afford a fast car????? Last time I checked I believe you could buy a late model used f-body with the 5.7 in it for about half of what a new Vibe cost. And god ( and every body else ) knows that for half the cost of the money you'ld sink into any four cylinder you can put an F-body in the low 9's. I know tons of people who have older big bodied cars that run 13's in the quarter. These cars all have less than $10,000 invested in them. They may not have 20" wheels and 400 watt sound systems but they do go very fast and are very affordable. And some are even driven daily. Don't get me wrong I think it's cool as can be to see a small four cylinder pushing the same amount of pony's as a bigger V8, but all that power come at about twice the cost. There is only one substitute for cubic inches and that's money. But knowing this isn't going to stop me from getting in line for a new supercharger for my Vibe. See you all in the parts department.) my reply to AdmittII.(quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Last time I checked I believe you could buy a late model used f-body with the 5.7 in it for about half of what a new Vibe cost.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------You better check again. 1998 Z28's (first year of the LS1 engine) run about $12K. That isn't half a new Vibe.quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------And god ( and every body else ) knows that for half the cost of the money you'ld sink into any four cylinder you can put an F-body in the low 9's.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------9's! Let's have a reality check here. A 9 second ET is very fast for a real street car (not a track only car). It takes alot of cash to get an F-body in the 9's, even the 10's. 11's are more realistic._______Yor reply to my reply Sorry I confused you.

[rodzombie]

And this is America. If you don't want an F-Body don't buy one. I didn't. I bought a Vibe. Thats why I'm looking on this web site. Think about it!!!!!!!! And I don't think you get it. Cubic centimeters = Horse power. Want more horsepower out of small CC just add $$$$$$$$ . Get it!!!!! That was my only point with this whole dispute.

[d_m_kolb]

Get back on TOPIC!Everyone needs to calm down. I'll speak about this and then drop it or start a post in off topic about it. Yes you can probably find a 98 F-body for 12 to 14,000. I have seen them for this price. Yes you can make them very fast. And with the same amount of money people will shell into a Vibe if they did it to a F-body it would be very hard to beat on the street. Everyone knows this. Not everyone wants the F-body gas mileage. HIGH insurance rates. Cop magnets. Zero traction when wet. Not much better when dry. Rear tires wear out quickly. Expensive stock tires. If you wreck in a F-body it doesn't have a great crash rating. Doesn't have a great record for reliablity. I can say all of this because I owned one and spun a main bearing in it racing it. I'd love to have another one but I want something different. So I pick the Vibe because most people don't have one and it looks so cool. Who cares what people spend their money on as long as they are happy and it's not illegal?People buy this car for different reasons than a person buying a F-body would. Why does it bother people that someone owning a 4 banger wants to spend some money and make it faster? What's wrong with making your daily driver a little more fun to drive.This topic will be locked if the why spend money on a Vibe to make it faster when you can have a F-body for the same price discussion continues. I don't want to lock such a cool topic so STOP!

[NovaResource]

Sorry, this thread has drifted but I think that is common for long threads. This one already has 5 pages!

[Cubanpete]

Well said, I agree 100%

[Cubanpete]

Then you understand why I got somewhat pissed and posted that comment below you, isn't this bogus move from the MFR to support SC's on the base vibe and not on the GT or what, heh??

[admin]

More info on the S/Chttp://www.genvibe.com/html/features/autoshows ... ger.shtml- Mike

[old man winter]

Welcome to the world of GM. why should we listen to the consumer, the Gaul of them. We at GM know more than anybody therefore we shall sit up here and pontificate to all.Then they sit back and wonder why more people are buying Japanese. I'm mean a Vibe is a Toyota designed car with a Yamaha engine, and they sill find away to screw it up. with GM

[Frosty]

quote:More info on the S/Chttp://www.genvibe.com/html/features/autoshows ... ger.shtml- MikeGood stuff for me! Now let's see $3000 US x 1.6 = $4800 Canadian = 160 overtime hours = praying for storms

[ngilbert]

quote:The Gt has much more to offer right out of the box. And if you want to stay ahead of the base with sc it wont be hard. All you will need is an exhaust, CAI, and some lightweight pulleys, just to name a few alternatives. When a base gets an sc he won’t stop the spending there. Tires and rims will be needed along with better breaks, and he won’t have a six speed. My thoughts exactly. Even with the sc, it will still be a base Vibe. There are differences (unfortunately some a little too subtle) between the GT and base that made me pick the GT, aside from the snortin' engine and 6-speed. Besides, I've seen Chevettes done up that would make Novas, Camaros, Mustangs, etc.. run home with their tails tucked between their wheels.... It just goes to show that peoples tastes are their own - what they want to do with their rides is up to them. As far as a class action suit against GM, I dunno. Nobody put a gun to my head to force me to buy a GT. I wanted it, I bought it. Done deal. Everyone knows that the aftermarket is stuffed full of performance enhancing parts. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out that sooner or later they will be available for the Vibe as well.

[cohocarl]

Sorry for the poor photoshop image. This would be a nice place for a boost gauge, but I don't think I could handle giving up 1 vent when it could use more as it is.

[LocDog]

Just put it instead of ur temp gauge.... u dont need to know how hot the engine gets anyway.

[NovaResource]

I like it there. Looks good.

[KSNeptune]

I was desperate to get the "GM" supercharger for my Vibe, but was told they'd only be available after the first of the year. After driving my Base Neptune Vibe for a few days, though, I'm thinking this car is great fun just as it is. I may still get the supercharger, but I've started imagining all the other things I could get for the Vibe with that money..... Hmmmmm

[DopeVibeGT]

quote:I'm happy for you 1zz owners. But now i feel like a fool for buying a gt. Doesn't this kinda defeat the purpose of even producing the gt. Nah, dont feel like that. The S/C on a base vibe is good, and I'm glad for them, since it brings it up to the GT stock form, with a little more torque. You can easily bring the GT's engine to or over 200 HP with very simple mods (Intake/exhaust, Etc for example). Plus, they will be bringing out a turbo for us GT owners. So, look for a well over 200 HP GT Vibe! Base or GT, Vibe owners will eat the Honda's!! LoL (Some of them, anyway )

[DopeVibeGT]

I think that looks good in the vent like that! I dont use those vents much anyway on any of my cars, so It wouldnt be missed. But, I'm sure someone will be coming out with an A-pillar pod for Matrix/Vibe owners.

[neptunevibeawd]

I was on autoweek.com or caranddriver.com and I saw they were estimating the price of the supercharger installed at around $3000 and the body kit for around $2000 installed.verified the source. it is autoweek.com. The article is titled GXperformance......Pontiac looks to revamp image with high-horsepower vehicles, accessories.

[NovaResource]

http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port ... =00456577I plan on being one of those 500.

[Shadow Realm]

It will be aviailable for the auto tranny as well as the 5 speed. Go to Pontiac.com to see all the pics on the supercharger and sports package. I asked my service department and they still don't have any word on the release dates yet. All I know is first quarter 2003!!!!

[coratz]

i think my base vibe has enough power to get me into the criminal zone. i cant imagine a super charger?

[rodzombie]

Yeah!!! Zero to jail in 6.2 sec.