Helix Power Tower Plus

4azdmunky · Post by **4azdmunky** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:51 am

that is what I tried, Pontiac must have changed the bolt patern and the throttle body size with the 05 DBW. This thing won tmatch up bolt patern regardless of what i do....damn!

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:18 am

It worked great on mime. ???? By the way My MPG are back up to normal and the power is still better than before.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:01 pm

Either you're just missing something with the installation or they sent you the wrong spacer. Does it match the picture of blue crushes? I can get the number off my box if you need it.

binary · Post by **binary** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:55 pm

Digger's AWD doesn't have DBW - it still uses the original throttle body.I'm worried that they changed the bolt pattern with our DBW's... I know BC had some photos of his install (page 1 of this thread - http://forums.genvibe.com/zero...age=1 ) it may be worth comparing and see if that's what you got.If it is, this accessory may not fit.What I think is kind of funny about this mod is that it may generate horsepower - but not like anyone thinks it does, or even how it's advertised. Think of how a golf ball's dimples help it fly farther by generating turbulence around it, or how a pickup truck's tailgate up creates a pocket of air behind the cab - giving it better aerodynamics.What this may be doing, in theory, is generating enough turbulance to keep the main stream of the air away from the heated throttlebody - and also giving a faster, smoother tunnel of air going into the throttlebody.The only time you're probably going to see this advantage is when the throttle plate is at 90 degrees (WOT) where it can't cause turbulance.

4azdmunky · Post by **4azdmunky** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:01 am

Petrucci914 -> The part I have is part 97185. Is that what you have?Bianary -> I read through all of the posts here and on matrixowners about this mod. I researched both sides of the argument (it works, it doest work) even researched the science on this product. It was kind of amusing because the exact same arguments are posted in the S10 forums I also frequent. According to the dynamics of airflow and pressure, this thing should not work on my truck (or for that matter on our vibes). So, I bought it for the whistle sound (I know, sounds like a tool decision), installed it, and it surprised the hell out of me how well the thing worked. I left the battery hooked up, so the PCM didnâ€™t reset, so no other variable changed but the truck had such an improvement that the mud tires break loose every easily now on hard top, and you get pushed back into the seat quite hard when it didnâ€™t do it before.Now I know that personal feeling is not true tangible fact, and personal observation is open to interpretation. So, long story short, it should not have any impact in my truck, it does, so even though it should not have an impact on our vibes, I bet it does as well. In the QA/IT/Programming world A+B=C is not always true. In reality A+B= Not C, and A+B=Other Result. or :A+B= It worksA+B= It doesnâ€™t workA+B= It works and we donâ€™t know why (ie, any Microsoft OS)I agree with you, I think this works but no one understands why.If its all placebo,...then bring on the sugar pills!

4azdmunky · Post by **4azdmunky** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:03 am

yea, what i have looks exactly like that.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:32 am

That's what the picture on blue crushes shows, as far as numbers. I dunno. You have the same vehicle that he does, right? Those engines were a bit different, 126HP instead of 130? Did the intake manifold change or somethin?

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:24 pm

It may be that the DBW have a larger throttle body. I just saw on NewCelica.org that that some are saying the DBW Celica TB's are larger than the DBC Celica TB's. Not sure if they have confirmed it though, nor are they saying if the bolt pattern size has changed.

dug · Post by **dug** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:14 am

Sorry, I had to resurrect this old thread:Has anyone tried drilling a hole in this TBI spacer for water injection? I know URD makes one for Toyota's 3.4L, IIRC, but I don't think anyone's done WI through a throttle body spacer. It'd be a clean install if it could be done!http://www.urdusa.com/product_...801ea

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:31 am

No, but that would be an ideal location for it on the Helix.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:10 pm

I just dropped off my car a couple days ago for a warranty fix on a couple parts and they said nothing about my throttle body spacer OR my strut tower bar! good new so far.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:40 am

They probly didn't even know it's not suposed to be there. The one's that I've seen don't have any experiance working on Vibes.

hubcaphead · Post by **hubcaphead** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:04 am

I wanted to take the time out to thank you for posting a link to our website. I ant to offer you a $10.00 off coupon for part number spe-97185 which is the picture that is shown. The code is SSGEN0506Please use this whenever and as many people that want to use it can. Thanks again for the post!!http://www.hubcapsplus.com

lexicon · Post by **lexicon** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:38 am

I emailed the manufacturer and no response.Does anyone know different?

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:56 am

I want to see a DBW so i can see the diff... I would think its the bolts. thats whats making it not fit the 2zz.

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:24 am

just put some gas in since the install of northvibes used helix power tower. I go about 31 to 32 MPG in town driving rough est.(40 MPH or less) now to try it out on the Interstate. i also noticed a little more pep in the low RPM range. It isn't hurting so i'm happy with my purchase.

lexicon · Post by **lexicon** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:38 pm

Just a question,How can you physically tell youve got a 1-3hp increase in a low hp engine?Is the pep basically extra noise, since its not dynoed and wasnt taken to the drag races for timed trials, what are you actually measuring?I am not trying to challenge you on this, but , if someone had installed the unit on your car, without your knowing, would you have been able to tell the difference.To me, more efficiency "should" translate to better gas mileage. So, if your gas mileage consistently increases over a period of say 3 or more tanks of gas, then , this is a measurable change .For example. I also have a >200,000 mile Corolla. I religiously got 30 mpg no better, sometimes 29mpg.After doing Seafoam in the engine intake, I immediately saw 33 mpg and 31.5 mpg. Now , Months later, I am seeing at least 31.5 mpg.So, here, I saw a measurable increase.Thanks

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:20 am

placebo effect?

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:12 am

I saw a big diferance in the pep of my 05 AWD. It shifts better. Does not bog down on slight inclines. The MPG dropped at first then got better. I can tell a big differance in mine. I did put a short ram on at the same time though.

lexicon · Post by **lexicon** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:49 pm

Part of basic troubleshooting is to only change one thing at a time.If you change multiple things simultaneously, you dont know where the change in the system came from.So, in this case, we dont know if the perceived improvement is from the stack or spacer.What is your mileage change (based over several tankfulls)?

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:14 am

I went up 4 MPG 25-26 to 29-30

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:15 pm

After I installed mine, I experienced more torque in the low and mid rpm range. I also experienced a 2-3 mpg increase.

lexicon · Post by **lexicon** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:48 pm

I sent an email to the mfr. and no response.Does anyone know an internal contact at Helix?

vibe Freak · Post by **vibe Freak** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:33 am

All I can say is this thing works great. I have a Base auto vibe with the spacer and intake, and the car really came to life after the spacer. Pulleys are next then wheels. But it is a no brain-er get it you will not be disappointed. Thanks to Blue crush for telling me about this great mod. Dominic

LUVROK · Post by **LUVROK** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:17 am

Does anyone offer a 2ZZ model?What's the bolt issue related to the 2ZZ? Does the throttle body have a different bolt pattern? I would be happy with a blank with no holes drilled so I can drill or mill my own.

yeye · Post by **yeye** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:30 am

Did this make any difference in noise for those running this with intake or any other mods. Wondering if it makes the car louder or not?

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:36 am

theres no difference in noise when i used it.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:06 am

Mine made slight BOV type/light whistle sound when I accelerate hard and let off the gas. Other than that, no noises.

Mrizzle05 · Post by **Mrizzle05** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:13 am

Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush Â»Mine made slight BOV type/light whistle sound when I accelerate hard and let off the gas. Other than that, no noises.LOVE that sound... all i gotta say

VforVIBE · Post by **VforVIBE** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:42 pm

Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush Â»The install was fairly easy. It took about 1/2 hour. I had to modify my CAI by cutting off about an inch.The spacer is 1" thick and is aluminum.Quote, originally posted by Digger Â»I saw a big diferance in the pep of my 05 AWD. It shifts better. Does not bog down on slight inclines. The MPG dropped at first then got better. I can tell a big differance in mine. I did put a short ram on at the same time though. do you think a short ram would need to be cut down?Edit: they don't make it for the 05 & 06 do they?

GrayFox · Post by **GrayFox** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:33 pm

BC's vibe is an 05 but he has cable throttle....

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:41 pm

There is one out for the '05-'07 DBW. If you have more than 1" of space between your filter and your fusebox then you should be fine with no cutting. If not, you will need to trim some off.

VforVIBE · Post by **VforVIBE** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:37 pm

Quote, originally posted by ANO_Vibe Â»BC's vibe is an 05 but he has cable throttle....AWD Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush Â»There is one out for the '05-'07 DBW. If you have more than 1" of space between your filter and your fusebox then you should be fine with no cutting. If not, you will need to trim some off.Awesome, thanks man... I was looking over your Poor mans mod list and I was like nope, can't do that or that... but I can do this, yay!

MAVibe · Post by **MAVibe** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:35 am

Any idea who has the best price for this spacer(05-07)? I actually haven't found the one for the '04-'06 Corolla 1ZFFE DBW #97188 available anywhere.....

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:13 pm

http://wheelskin.com/spe-97185.html

MAVibe · Post by **MAVibe** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:48 pm

That's for the 2002- 2004 models....part #97185.... I have the '06 1zf....

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:03 am

IZF..huh,you mean 1zz.I don't think it matters.I think it will work.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:16 am

Quote, originally posted by MAVibe Â»Any idea who has the best price for this spacer(05-07)? I actually haven't found the one for the '04-'06 Corolla 1ZFFE DBW #97188 available anywhere.....Contact these guys to find out where you can get it: http://www.streetandperformanc...d.htm

MAVibe · Post by **MAVibe** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:13 am

Thanks BC! That's exactly what I did this morning.....waiting for response.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:32 am

Or ask KeithVibe which one he used,I think he has an 06 DBW.edit:Nevermind,he has an AWD.SorryThat's why I gave you the link,I thought he had DBW,my mistake.

ProtonXX · Post by **ProtonXX** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:09 am

I have a scangauge 2 & I can try this out to get some numbers on it.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:33 am

LOL... Sorry I do have AWD... This is why I didn't chime in on the topic. But since I have installed the spacer I would pay the money just for the sweet POV sound it makes on the highway with out overdrive engaged. I noticed slight gains in the low end of the RPM range.

MAVibe · Post by **MAVibe** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:16 am

I heard back from Street&Performance---the spacers are not available and there is no release date for the Throttle Body Spacer for the late model 1.8's w/ DBW (2005-2007).....

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:22 am

Quote, originally posted by MAVibe Â»I heard back from Street&Performance---the spacers are not available and there is no release date for the Throttle Body Spacer for the late model 1.8's w/ DBW (2005-2007).....What? Bummer! Well, then why do they have it listed for the 1zz DBW celica?

Vivid_Art · Post by **Vivid_Art** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:22 pm

So is this spacer really worth the money? you guys think it would do much for a base Vibe w/ a Cai and Header installed?

ProtonXX · Post by **ProtonXX** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:08 pm

Dunno yet but I did the Coolant bypass & seafoam today & my scan gauge was throwing out a retarded 100mpg at 45mph & 2gph idle. Old numbers was 40ish & 3GPH idle. It obviously needs re calibrating lol.The temps reading for the engine water & SR stayed the same 200F & 100F

ProtonXX · Post by **ProtonXX** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:49 pm

Just did a road trip to cali & back. Got 30 MPG coming back which never ever happened before. Coolant Bypass MOD for the win

manicdan · Post by **manicdan** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:09 pm

any updates on a 2zz version yet?

His_and_Her_Vibes · Post by **His_and_Her_Vibes** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:10 am

...Bump... (my first - hope I did it right!) Any release date for the Throttle Body Spacer for the late model 1.8's w/ DBW (2005-2007).....???? I've ordered a TBS for my Wife's '04 Vibe. Hopefully it will improve gas mileage. It has a K&N drop-in filter, but I will likely install either an AEM, INGEN or Cosmo CAI very soon. (as soon as I decide which one!)

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:13 am

Bump for what