You have got to be kidding me!?

[redlava]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-....html Number one I just want to say that people dying in auto accidents that are alcohol related are tragic. And I am in no way laughing at the misfortunes of this woman. But this is completely ludicrous. When will people stop laying their problems on people who are not responsible. How is this in any way Coors' fault. What, are they supposed to supply DD's now in every bar and party in the country? Should they pick up the bill for a taxi ride home? Or maybe this woman should own up to not trying hard enough to keep her son from going to a party and drinking and driving. Or at least explaining to him what could happen if he did something like this, and to use good judgement. Maybe this woman should not tie up a courtroom on a lawsuit that will probably not be thrown out but should and spend her time and effort on more constructive ways to keep teenagers from drinking and driving.

[scherry2]

It all comes back to responsibility.being responsible for your own actions. And being willing to pay the price for those actions.the mother is mourning the wrong way, she is actually putting a price on her son's life and hoping that will make it all better. How sad

[Mr. Poopypants]

I hate this crap, this is right along the lines of people suing McDonald's for making them fat, PUT DOWN THE FORK, maybe then you won't be so fat.

[Mavrik]

next to be sued will be TV because its causing the new generation of kids to be fat and lazy.

[Sub-Vibe-R]

Quote, originally posted by Mr. Poopypants »I hate this crap, this is right along the lines of people suing McDonald's for making them fat, PUT DOWN THE FORK, maybe then you won't be so fat.I second that. You have to assume your choices and live with the result of your act. Stop blaming everyone else for someting YOU did.

[Reynoma]

Well, let me play the "bad" person here.At what point should a company take responsibility for it's own product. When an auto maker's car is found to be dangerous, there is a recall. Alcohol has been found to be dangerous (in the wrong hands). Should the beer companies be able to turn their heads once their products leave the door? This actually has nothing to do with underage drinking...there are plenty of "legal" people driving drunk also. Now, I do not support what the mother is doing. It is very simply greed on her part. Her loss is tragic. Because alcohol abuse is glorified, kids are going to abuse it. I don't think she is a bad parent, but, for a parent all the money in the world is not going to make her happy. The lawyers just have her convinced that Coors needs to be punished and she should profit from it.

[MJN2]

Quote, originally posted by Reynoma »At what point should a company take responsibility for it's own product. When an auto maker's car is found to be dangerous, there is a recall. Going to have to disagree with your analogy here. A more appropriate one would be something like:A person gets into a car accident while drag racing or doing something else similarly reckless on public roads, and then sues the car company for not telling him/her that drag racing is dangerous when they bought the car.People KNOW drinking & driving is wrong, just as people should KNOW drag racing is wrong on public roads, yet they do it anyway. And then if something happens, they refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Much easier to blame it on someone else.In the case of the above article, perhaps the mother should take some responsibilty for not teaching her son the risks of drinking & driving, instead of blaming Coors, her son's girlfriend, and the girlfriend's mother.

[Reynoma]

Quote, originally posted by MJN2 »In the case of the above article, perhaps the mother should take some responsibilty for not teaching her son the risks of drinking & driving, instead of blaming Coors, her son's girlfriend, and the girlfriend's mother.I agree with most of what you say (I'm just like to see a good debate, that's why I posted). But, I also cannot jump on the "bad parent" bandwagon. Most of the time, you do your best and raise your kids with a strong value system...but in the end, they make their own choices. I look back at some of the stuff I did when young, and I can say that I was pretty stupid. I guess I was just "lucky" enough not to have been killed (or worse, killed somebody else). My parents raised me right, but that didn't stop me from doing stupid things. It only takes one stupid thing at the wrong time, wrong place.I still think the mother is greedy.

[MJN2]

Quote, originally posted by Reynoma »I still think the mother is greedy.No argument with you there. Using her son's death for financial gain is just disgusting, IMO.

[Mavrik]

Quote, originally posted by MJN2 »No argument with you there. Using her son's death for financial gain is just disgusting, IMO.So many people do that. I was watching something on TV about an old case that was never fully proved that a man had molested the 5 year olds in the day care that he, his mother and sister ran. many families accused him based on information the children were pressured for hours to admit to. The families then got settlements of over several million each.Now either he did or didn't do anything, nothing was proved in stone though the man is still in jail. But how does that justify to the family that they now need several million to continue with their life?Someone I used to know won a lawsuit against her BEST FRIEND's parents when the daughter got in an accident, killing herself (the daughter) The person I knew suffered a broken leg and determined she somehow was entitled to several hundred thousand dollors... I don't think she won but what the hell is this coming to?

[redlava]

Quote, originally posted by MJN2 »Going to have to disagree with your analogy here. A more appropriate one would be something like:A person gets into a car accident while drag racing or doing something else similarly reckless on public roads, and then sues the car company for not telling him/her that drag racing is dangerous when they bought the car.People KNOW drinking & driving is wrong, just as people should KNOW drag racing is wrong on public roads, yet they do it anyway. And then if something happens, they refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Much easier to blame it on someone else.I remember reading a story several years ago about a man in New York who got hit by a car on his bicycle. He was riding at night with no headlight or tail light and he ended up sueing the Bike manufactorer for not properly warning him of the dangers of riding at night with no lights. I never did hear if he won the lawsuit or not.

[redlava]

Quote, originally posted by Reynoma »Well, let me play the "bad" person here.At what point should a company take responsibility for it's own product. When an auto maker's car is found to be dangerous, there is a recall. Alcohol has been found to be dangerous (in the wrong hands). Should the beer companies be able to turn their heads once their products leave the door? This actually has nothing to do with underage drinking...there are plenty of "legal" people driving drunk also. I see your point here, but beer is a consumable product where everybody knows the effects of it... getting drunk. It would be different if the beer was deffective like if it ended up poisioning him and the result was death. But this accident occured as a result of his own stupidity and error in judgement.A similar annology would be the people who sue the gun manufacturers for the casue of somebodys death. At what point did we as a society decide to stop taking personal responsibility for our actions. And at what point in time did the judicial system become the main forum for people wanting to complain about the problems of society. I believe the judges in this country need to start rooting out these idiots who waste money and time on these frivolous lawsuits and atleast throw them out of court and even slap them with a fine or jailtime.

[MadBill]

It's difficult to underestimate people's common sense. Some years ago a friend of mine attended a symposium on such cases. One of them was a father and son team who used their power mower to trim a hedge. They were holding it at shoulder height with their fingers under the deck when it slipped, and several fingers were lost. They sucessfully sued the manufacturer for failing to warn them that this was not a recommended use!Now for the twist: I was telling my family about this, summing up with: "Can you imagine anyone doing something so stupid? What could they have been thinking?" when I noticed Dad and my youngest brother exchanging guilty glances. "Tell me you guys didn't try this!" "Err, well..., yes, actually, we did but at least we tied a couple of poles to the mower and used them to lift it."

[Mavrik]

Quote, originally posted by MadBill »Now for the twist: I was telling my family about this, summing up with: "Can you imagine anyone doing something so stupid? What could they have been thinking?" when I noticed Dad and my youngest brother exchanging guilty glances. "Tell me you guys didn't try this!" "Err, well..., yes, actually, we did but at least we tied a couple of poles to the mower and used them to lift it." At least they didn't use their fingers...I think manufacturing companies need to put this all important lable on things... Using a lawnmower for example."We are not responsible for damages caused to persons or propery from this piece of equipment being operated for use other then its intended purpose."Its a LAWN MOWER

[MadBill]

It's the kind of thinking that forces companies to put actual labels on their products that read like:o Caution! Contents will be hot after heating.o Caution. Wearing this Superman cape will not enable the wearer to fly!o Caution. May cause drowsiness. (on a box of sleeping pills)o Caution do not operate heavy equipment after taking this product (children's cough syrup) -keep that 8 year-old away from the controls of his bulldozer after he takes his meds!ooo

[Raven]

When trimming a hedge with a lawn mower be sure to use 2 hockey stick handles tied to the mower. The stiffness of the stick handles reduces any flex and delivers a much more even trim. Take it from an experienced expert. I have 20+ years in the landscaping business and still have all my appendages!

[savedbyzero]

Ya, dumb. Don't get it. Anything for money, right? Heck, even your son's death can make you rich one way or another. Obviously didn't care to take responsiblity of him when he was alive, why start now?

[MadBill]

Quote, originally posted by Sunny »When trimming a hedge with a lawn mower be sure to use 2 hockey stick handles tied to the mower. The stiffness of the stick handles reduces any flex and delivers a much more even trim. Take it from an experienced expert. I have 20+ years in the landscaping business and still have all my appendages! I rest my case!

[redlava]

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik »At least they didn't use their fingers...I think manufacturing companies need to put this all important lable on things... Using a lawnmower for example."We are not responsible for damages caused to persons or propery from this piece of equipment being operated for use other then its intended purpose."Its a LAWN MOWER Just remember every stupid caution label you see on a product is there for a reason. Somebody tried to that and got injured.Personally we should take off all those warning labels and help clean the gene pool out a little bit.

[threekrows]

my fingers hurt from typing.....who's in charge here????you'll be hearing from my lawyers!

[Jahntassa]

Quote, originally posted by Reynoma » But, I also cannot jump on the "bad parent" bandwagon. Most of the time, you do your best and raise your kids with a strong value system...but in the end, they make their own choices. True... But it could be argued as such: Why didn't she know where he was going, and stop him? You ever see those "Conversation: The Anti-Drug" commercials? Something along those lines. The kid had two things going against him as far as I can see.1) No liscence2) He was 19. Obviously underage.3) He was at a party that allowed underage drinking.Now...what did he tell the mother he was going to do, go to a friends to study? We don't know enough about them to know what kind of parent she was. So, in the meantime, we can shift focus.Who allowed the party? What idiot served to an underage? Let's sue those IMMEDIATELY responsible.Hell, she could sue the company that put the pole in that killed him. That'd make about as much sense...

[MadBill]

Quote, originally posted by Jahntassa »...Who allowed the party? What idiot served to an underage? Let's sue those IMMEDIATELY responsible.Hell, she could sue the company that put the pole in that killed him. That'd make about as much sense...Ah, but you're overlooking the first tenant of lawsuits, the Deep Pockets Principal (or "you can't get blood from a stone")! You don't sue the penniless twit that threw the party and served the victim, you look around for the deepest pockets and so you sue the oh-so-distantly-involved beer company instead.