tein vs hochkins

mrgrn · Post by **mrgrn** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:28 am

I am going to buy springs for x-mas. which of these might be the best? i know it is a matter of opinion here but just give me an idea.what are the prices of the two, and where is the best place to get them?I did a search and found a little, just wanted a refreshThanks in advance

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:55 pm

I'm led to believe Tein's give you a bigger drop. Seems like more owners prefer them. Check over on matrixowners.com, I vaguely remember seeing someone selling their springs...

BubbaBlueyz · Post by **BubbaBlueyz** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 7:48 am

Has anyone installed drop of more the 1.5" and needed camber bolts to correct the camber? Im going to install progress springs, which they say it will drop it 2". I was woundering if I should get the camber bolts? And if I do need them where should I get them?

shibaman · Post by **shibaman** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 8:28 am

I am biased since I have the Hotchkis springs. The drop on them is more than advertised. 2" in front and 1.5+ in the rear. If you are looking for the best handling I think that Hotchkis is a better choise. The ride is FIRM. The Teins are cheaper and have a lower drop. i would be concerned about the drop shortning the life of the struts. I don't know how the ride is. If I had to do it again I might buy the Tein SS coilovers so I could adjust the strut for ride/handling. Since I already had the Hotchkis sway bars I thought that their springs would compliment them.

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:21 am

I used the Tein S springs and was happy with the drop and the ride, but I only had them in a few hours as my 275/40 x 17"(!) tires scuffed front and rear. I went back to the stock springs with ~ 3/4 of a coil cut off (~1-1/4" drop) and they have worked out fine. Obviously, I can't comment from experience on strut durability, but I can't see how it could be affected unless the drop was such that you were bottoming out frequently on bumps.

shibaman · Post by **shibaman** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:20 pm

I remimber reading some posts where some people blew their struts with a big drop. 2.5 or 3 ".

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 3:06 pm

MadBill:If you do a drop of say 2", doesn't that mean the struts are constantly under some compression?That being said, wouldn't that constant compression, and never being able to return to the "relaxed" position, in turn, shorten the strut life?Or is this information I've received completely wrong. Value your feedback buddy...

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:16 am

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »MadBill:If you do a drop of say 2", doesn't that mean the struts are constantly under some compression?That being said, wouldn't that constant compression, and never being able to return to the "relaxed" position, in turn, shorten the strut life?Or is this information I've received completely wrong. Value your feedback buddy...No, the strut itself does not support any load to speak of through the shock/damper mechanism. All it does it provide resistance to movement, proportional to the speed of the strut's compression/extension. If you have the spring removed, you can easliy compress a strut by hand. The slight force that extends a bare strut to full length is from a low pressure gas bag, which is there only to compensate for the volume change when the strut compresses. Its pressure does not change appreciably just because the strut's average position is 2" or so shorter than stock. The lower ride height does mean the suspension will bottom out sooner than a stock vehicle on a hard bump and/or with a heavy load, but companies typically conduct extensive durability tests over all kinds of roads while loaded up to 15% over the maximum GVW rating, so unless you're crashing onto the bump stops all the time, there is no reason why they should blow out any more than at stock height.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:42 am

Thanks for the info man! Appreciated!

BubbaBlueyz · Post by **BubbaBlueyz** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 7:46 am

Has anybody needed camber bolts to correct there camber? Does anybody even know what Im talking about?

BubbaBlueyz · Post by **BubbaBlueyz** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 7:56 am

Yes thats what I mean. I was woundering if you had any problems with tire wear. With more then a 1.5" drop. I work at a tire shop and have seen where cars have needed camber bolts. but I was woundering if you guys had to have them installed or what? If I need them where else can I get them? I have the progress springs.

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 10:21 am

I dropped my Vibe ~ 1-1/4" and the front was still in spec. (but I didn't check it before) I am planning to try a little more camber, but I'll do it on the cheap: just slot the strut mounting holes a bit. (0.032" on one hole equates to about 1 degree, exact value available in the spring when I take proper measurements) I was involved for a number of years in a showroom stock series for Camaros where this was allowed and it never caused any problems. (Not to say eccentric camber bolts aren't better, just not essential.)The non-AWD rear suspension is of course a twist beam, so its camber doesn't change with drop.

BubbaBlueyz · Post by **BubbaBlueyz** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:04 pm

thanks that helped out alot. Im thinking I may not need camber bolts then. Unless I want it to be dead center!

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:49 am

I dropped my Vibe with Tein, let is seated for about 2 weeks and have it alligned. I presume the mechanic adjusted the camber, but he didn't used any chim to adjust it. My Vibe is dropped for 3 months now and I haven't notice any abnormal wear on any of the tires.

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 12:11 pm

How does it handle in the wintertime? I personally like the higher clearance, but am curious if the drop would affect the VIbe.Merci Ben

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:52 am

Quote, originally posted by ArcsVibe »How does it handle in the wintertime? I personally like the higher clearance, but am curious if the drop would affect the VIbe.Merci Ben It handle very nice. Even with a 2.5" drop, the ground clearance remains at 6". For sure to step in deep snow it is not the best thing but for the use I do with my Vibe, it does not bother me at all.

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:57 am

Thanks Ben, I have been looking at doing this mod for a while and was just soaking in all the information possible!

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:54 am

I was worreid about this too. But nothing better then try it to know it.So I used the hard way. The Vibe ground clearance is is big enough to lower it of 2-3 inches without too much trouble during our winter. And as I do not use it to go to work and I do not have to park it in the street, the drop does not affect me too much.You can also consider coil over, to drop it in summer and put it back at stock level for winter.

mrgrn · Post by **mrgrn** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:55 am

thanks for the info guys. what about the eibachs, they have a pro and sportline?where is the best place to buy these?

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:58 am

Quote, originally posted by mrgrn »thanks for the info guys. what about the eibachs, they have a pro and sportline?where is the best place to buy these?Eibachs are very good as well. Little pricey (you pay for the name) but are are very reputable.I've heard the TRD spring are rename Eibach pro-kit.The sprotslines will drop your car for about 1" lower then the pro-kit.Something around 1" drop for the pro-kit and 2" with the sportlines.ANd the best place to get them at a decent price is on e-bay. You can get a set for $185.

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