Dog Question (owners and knowers)

[Whelan]

My gf has a long haired miniature Daschund (sp?). Balboa. She also has a little older female Roxy. Get it, Roxy Balboa - Rocky Balboa, lol. Ok moving on. Roxy has been allowed to roam free in the house, is calm, likes to lay around, does the bark when the door opens or someone comes in for a second or two. And gets let outside to do her business with no intervention or leash, comes right back.Bo is a little different. He is not neutered, neither are as she just bred 5 puppies that we sold (my brother has one). He is insane. Jumps, pees, runs amuck. When we let him out of the crated area he flies around the house and pees on some of the shoes near the door. We bring him outside but he has done the following:-broken chains and clips made for dogs larger than him-shredded leashes and ropes made for his size-pulled up the stake used to hold him-and so on.He gets himself tangled up on the nearby bench or tree depending on where we put him. But when we put him in his travel carrier for the night he loves it, goes to sleep is dead quiet and does not go to the bathroom in there. We feed him on a schedule, he gets his treats. My concern is that he may not have enough exercise since he is a hunting dog (otters I think was their speciality). His stance and run/jump could put him in a dog show if we did it. But I was thinking of building a stronger run for him with more space.The lawn is huge, so they were contemplating an invisible fence or even having me do the long wire run with leash, only issue being he would break it over time or run through the fence like other spastic dogs I have known. What would your opinions be, other than training which we are planning on getting.

[keithvibe]

it's excited, submissive peeing.When you come home do you let them out right then and there?If so Ignore him for the first 5-10mins, till he calms down. Then let him out of his cage and right outside. Supervise him on a long lead. The rest will be training and time.If you have a treadmill. I would consider putting him on it to drain some of that excess energy. I do that with my dogs when they won't calm down. May sound stupid... but as the saying goes... a tired puppy is a good puppy.

[Kari]

I would recommend neutering him first. That should get rid of some of his desperation to break off of the tie-out, since he probably smells a female dog in heat somewhere and wants to go there. That will also help with marking issues if he is neutered young enough.For potty training, as soon as he comes out of the crate in the morning, take him straight outside on a leash. His only task out there is to do his business, do NOT let him play around...if he doesn't do his business within a minute or two, take him back in the house and put him in his crate. Leave him in there for 5-10 min or so. Take him back out and straight back outside...repeat the process until he does his business outside.Here is a link to a great dachshund board...but I will warn you, they are not too fond of breeding by non-professional breeders since a lot of the members are involved in rescue. But there are some very, very knowledgeable people there and it could be a good resource for her.

[808 Vibes]

*Spay and neuter them. This will prevent the more common types of canine cancer, adding years to their lives. Because I had shown my girl, and bred her, I had her spayed late and she has had 2 (mammary) tumors, the last being moderate-malignant Adeno Carcinoma. I had another female years ago who was a show dog too and had mammary tumors in her lymphatic system that spread to all her organs. A friend's maltese recently died from testicular cancer.*Exercise. These are not lap dogs; these are stubborn, social, active dogs that need direction and interaction from their owners. *Training. enroll him in obedience school. NO dog should be tied to a stake in the yard, or cabled to some tree. Yes, they can get tangled, choked and hung by those things. Many years ago I had an aunt who had an English Bulldog that got killed on one of those cables tied to a clothesline, chasing after something. Also, it's Badgers, not otters, and there is no running and jumping in AKC conformation shows. Running and jumping is involved in the rodeo and the circus.

[bodhi_tree777]

If I'm thinking of the same breed, your dog is rather high strung just by nature. Lots and lots of excercise (which is good for you guys as well) will do wonders. Oh, and post pictures, because we like pups on this forum

[808 Vibes]

Pitbulls, lovebirds, skateboarders, and men with tattoos get stereotyped too

[djkeev]

Hi,I know I won't be popular for saying this but I will anyway.It's a dog, you get a dog or other pet to enrich YOUR life and to add companionship and joy to your daily life. A dog gives freely The joy of being loved unconditionally no matter what kind of an idiot you are. They don't care if you had a great day or a bad day, they just love you anyway.I've been a dog person my entire life (I'm a grandfather now) and recently (December) put my Golden Retriever down due to cancer, he was 10 years old, The best dog ever. We swore we didn't need another dog, the kids are grown and gone, we'd have freedom to travel and not worry about pet care, the house is cleaner, etc, etc, etc.Yep, you guessed it,Tuesday night we brought home a 9 week old Golden. Why? we love dogs and wanted the joy of having one in our life again. We also wanted a dog that gives joy to its owner and to those the dog interacts with during its life, such as my grandchildren. Most Goldens will give this joy to their owners, this is our 3rd one.That being said, We've had the INSANE dog or two, we had the one that tore the house apart and destroyed anything in its path. We tried to neuter, train, exercise, etc all to no avail. We had the violent dog the went after people and could not be trusted also. We got rid of those pets, either put down or found another situation for them, depending upon the level of perceived danger vs just being a trouble maker. There wasn't any joy in ownership of these dogs, there was nothing but aggravation. We raised these dogs in the same manner as we did our great dogs, I'm convinced that it wasn't environment that caused these problems, it was inbred mental problems. These were the dogs that never should have been born, they have brain problems from too much interbreeding or bad matching of parents. This is why the AKC is so rabid about proper breeding methods and credentials.Do yourself and the world a favor and eliminate this insane animal before it breeds and continues the insanity into future generations or drives you to insanity. Will it make you sad emotionally? Sure will! Move on, get another and raise it properly and hopefully double the joy in your life. Life goes by way too quickly to devote 10 - 15 years of it being aggravated by a mental dog!Another politically incorrect statement, I'm not strong into "rescue" dogs for I've never, never ever met someone who took a dog to a pound because it was so nice and gave him so much joy that he just had to get rid of it. Nope, never. Most (not all) older rescue dogs are trouble dogs with serious behavior problems and possibly are dangerous. My thought pattern isn't popular but the vast majority should be humanely put down. There are many success stories and I'm sure this forum will fill up with them but there are far more stories of bad pound dogs that have destroyed the quality of life people once enjoyed. I know of some that were violent and attacked people and other animals....some to the death.This wild dog you describe seems to have been raised in the same house by the same people as the calm dog and yet has serious problems, My advice? End your agony and the destruction of your property, put him down and try again. I repeat, it's JUST a dog. We're not talking babies here or people but an ANIMAL that we CHOOSE to take into our home.The comment made about Pit Bulls, about them being a bad dog being a generality, general statements ARE EARNED at some point along the way. The reputation is NOT made up for fun. Sure there are one or two good ones in any given lot but by and large they are to be feared and not trusted. A nasty dog, often owned by a nasty person who teaches them to be nasty.I've no problem with Lovebirds, skateboarders or tattooed men though. Not unless they individually earn my dislike and distrust.Dave

[808 Vibes]

Did your parents raise you that way-that animals are disposable?! I don't know what is more sad...what I just read, or just knowing that there are generations after you that have probably already been brainwashed into your 'thought pattern'. Whelan, I'm sorry your thread asking for help has been hijacked. If you need any more help, don't hesitate to PM any of the compassionate, loving, true dog people Keith, Brian, Kari, Brad, the others and me.

[KNINE]

How old is this puppy? My female German Shepherd, Luna was was insane when she was a puppy. High strung and out of control. To make a long story short, I recommend a good obedience school and lots of patience. It worked for me. Ever watch the dog wisperer? You have to be the pack leader. It's true. Once I learned how to take charge, it made all the difference in the world. It didn't happen over night, but it happened. Lot's of exercise, too. Keith is right, a tired dog is a happy dog. Dogs are like kids. They're all different, and some need more work than others. Nine years later, Luna is my best friend. She's a great dog. She just needed structure.

[keithvibe]

Quote, originally posted by djkeev »Hi,Another politically incorrect statement, I'm not strong into "rescue" dogs for I've never, never ever met someone who took a dog to a pound because it was so nice and gave him so much joy that he just had to get rid of it. Nope, never. Most (not all) older rescue dogs are trouble dogs with serious behavior problems and possibly are dangerous. My thought pattern isn't popular but the vast majority should be humanely put down. There are many success stories and I'm sure this forum will fill up with them but there are far more stories of bad pound dogs that have destroyed the quality of life people once enjoyed. I know of some that were violent and attacked people and other animals....some to the death.DaveOk Dave I have read threw your post and I honestly cringed when I read it.Your right your not popular. I know you said first and formost that you love dogs, but then turn around and tell Adam to put his dog down. "True" dog lovers will do anything and everything to help understand what might be causing the issue with their dog. Once someone understands why a dog is acting the way he or she is, a training regiment can be implemented.Fact is most dogs that are given up are for, money, lack of training, lack of time spent with the dog. 100%owner problem. not dog problem.I have personally spent thousands of dollars understanding my dog. Who is a rescue. He was given up because the first owner didn't want to spend the time and energy to understand the underlying cause as to why he is the way he is. The owner simply gave up. I how ever didn't. I now have a wonderful dog that I would go to the ends of the earth for. So you see he is not just a dog but a member of the family.My other dog I rescued from a lazy family who couldn't understand that a hunting dog has lots of energy. They didn't want to take the time to train her or give her an outlet to expend that energy.Way to many dog owners just give up their dogs for one reason or another. Fact is you wouldn't just give up your own flesh and blood> son or daughter?To many people look at pets as disposable and that is what is wrong.For example, today i am doing a transport for three dogs. One of which is a tripod. Yep, only has three legs. Bet you would just have sooner put the dog down than to try to give it a second chance at life.I bet you a weeks pay that, that dog will be rehabilitated and forever in the debt of people like me who donate time money and energy. That dog with the correct training could end up helping cancer children. Solders who have lost limbs in the war. We are trying to give the OP some options. I hope to god that he don't take your suggestion and give up and put the dog down.Having the dogs fixed will go a very long way in helping control the high strung nature of the dog.I'm done with my rambling on. Though I could go on and on about success cases of dogs that were given up by lazy good for nothing owners who didn't want or care enough to understand their dog, that turned out to be very wonderful dogs.

[ColonelPanic]

Quote, originally posted by djkeev »Most (not all) older rescue dogs are trouble dogs with serious behavior problems and possibly are dangerous. Look at this sweet face, aww...She'd never do anything to hurt anybody, she's the best behaved dog (albeit sometimes her curiosity will get her in trouble!) Always sweet, always happy, and *gasp* RESCUE!!! We don't know why she ended up at animal services. But we're thankful every day that she found her way to us. There are plenty of good dogs in rescue... And I'd guess that there are even more today than there ever have since so many good dogs have found themselves victims of the economy. People who have loved their dogs for years end up losing their jobs and homes, and can no longer take care of them. Anyway, I certainly do not agree with the notion that Whelan should put the dog down, that's ridiculous. I agree with keithvibe, pets are not disposable. They're members of the family. And the only kids we plan on having. Whelan, good advice from the dog lovers above. Definitely get the dogs fixed asap... Work with them as best as you can. Work on the alpha thing, that will make a huge difference. Give them lots of exercise - we know from experience that boredom equates to mischief with Cocoa. We just take her for a long walk to wear her out and she's all good.You can do this, and we'll help you through it.

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[Wolfman213]

When I had Raider (American Staffordshire Terrier) nuetered, the difference was night and day!!! Like many have said, that is the first place to start. I waited for about two weeks after the surgery to really make a judgment for obvious reasons, but it was more of a learning curve for me!! I was so used to him being so wound up and now he's just chill. Still has his personality and energetic side when we play and such, but the "spastic" side is but a mere memory.

[Sublimewind]

Whelan, you need to DL and watch all of "The Dog Whisperer" Seriously... dude's amazing.. lol..

[djkeev]

Quote, originally posted by HawaiiPontiacLover »Did your parents raise you that way-that animals are disposable?! I don't know what is more sad...what I just read, or just knowing that there are generations after you that have probably already been brainwashed into your 'thought pattern'. Whelan, I'm sorry your thread asking for help has been hijacked. If you need any more help, don't hesitate to PM any of the compassionate, loving, true dog people Keith, Brian, Kari, Brad, the others and me. No Hijacking, He asked for advice, I gave it to him. Sorry it doesn't agree with your "Proper" thought pattern.About being "brainwashed" My thought pattern of there being bad, unreformable dogs and that they should be put down is no more brainwashing than your thought that every animal is precious and deserves to live no matter what they do or how they act, that it is all fixable given vast amount of time, money and aggravation.Two points of view, we can coexist, maybe not be buddies but I respect your efforts of trying to reform taken to the extreme. It's Your life, your choices of what to do and what you are comfortable with. My nasty biting dog was put down with the blessings of my Vet, even advising me to do so.The hard truth is that they are not ALL fixable. I freely stated that there are many success stories of reformed dogs that prove this.Did everyone miss the fact that this crazy dog was raised in the same house as the sane dog? These people know how to raise a good dog, they just got a bad example of the breed and after trying reasonable steps to modify its behavior, they should call it quits.There are things in this life that cannot or should not be saved or are not worth the effort to save.Are dogs disposable? In general no, they certainly aren't humans but they are many notches higher on the food chain then say Geese are. There comes a point at which the "superior" being must take control. This is a difference of opinion most often seen between the "city" folk and the "country" folk.By and large those who grew up and live in the country have learned the value scale of "wild" life and that not all are good or pleasant.I've probably become the most hated person on GenVibe by now and may have to rename myself for expressing these opinions that run contrary to those many hold to! I believe that few express how they really feel because of the back lash of emotion. If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.Good Luck with your efforts, it's always worth a try to modify behavior before taking more drastic measures, been there, done that.Dave

[Tubaryan12]

Quote, originally posted by djkeev »No Hijacking, He asked for advice, I gave it to him. Sorry it doesn't agree with your "Proper" thought pattern.About being "brainwashed" My thought pattern of there being bad, unreformable dogs and that they should be put down is no more brainwashing than your thought that every animal is precious and deserves to live no matter what they do or how they act, that it is all fixable given vast amount of time, money and aggravation.Two points of view, we can coexist, maybe not be buddies but I respect your efforts of trying to reform taken to the extreme. It's Your life, your choices of what to do and what you are comfortable with. My nasty biting dog was put down with the blessings of my Vet, even advising me to do so.The hard truth is that they are not ALL fixable. I freely stated that there are many success stories of reformed dogs that prove this.Agreed.

[KNINE]

Quote, originally posted by djkeev »I've probably become the most hated person on GenVibe by now and may have to rename myself for expressing these opinions that run contrary to those many hold to! I believe that few express how they really feel because of the back lash of emotion. If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.DaveI would not assume that just because people disagree with your opinions that you are hated. Members disagree with my political opinions all the time. I disagree with them. Nobody is hated. That's why I like this forum. Certain topics stir up emotional reactions. We can dislike opinions without disliking the person. Don't take it personally.

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by djkeev »No Hijacking, He asked for advice, I gave it to him. Sorry it doesn't agree with your "Proper" thought pattern.About being "brainwashed" My thought pattern of there being bad, unreformable dogs and that they should be put down is no more brainwashing than your thought that every animal is precious and deserves to live no matter what they do or how they act, that it is all fixable given vast amount of time, money and aggravation.Two points of view, we can coexist, maybe not be buddies but I respect your efforts of trying to reform taken to the extreme. It's Your life, your choices of what to do and what you are comfortable with. My nasty biting dog was put down with the blessings of my Vet, even advising me to do so.The hard truth is that they are not ALL fixable. I freely stated that there are many success stories of reformed dogs that prove this.Did everyone miss the fact that this crazy dog was raised in the same house as the sane dog? These people know how to raise a good dog, they just got a bad example of the breed and after trying reasonable steps to modify its behavior, they should call it quits.There are things in this life that cannot or should not be saved or are not worth the effort to save.Are dogs disposable? In general no, they certainly aren't humans but they are many notches higher on the food chain then say Geese are. There comes a point at which the "superior" being must take control. This is a difference of opinion most often seen between the "city" folk and the "country" folk.By and large those who grew up and live in the country have learned the value scale of "wild" life and that not all are good or pleasant.I've probably become the most hated person on GenVibe by now and may have to rename myself for expressing these opinions that run contrary to those many hold to! I believe that few express how they really feel because of the back lash of emotion. If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.Good Luck with your efforts, it's always worth a try to modify behavior before taking more drastic measures, been there, done that.DaveDave,I grew up in a "realist" household.. maybe much like yours... I gave my pound rescue "Ruzz-T" 6mo to turn around, if he didn't he was going back... Well, at the 7mo point, I let him off the leash (he was a "runner") and he took off, got about 200yd and realized he didn't know where he was and didn't have any love "out there" He then turned and slowly crept back knowing a swat was coming... But you know what, since that day, i've lost the leash except for when we are in strange places... otherwise, he's 180* different than the dog I got at the pound... I do remember not letting myself get attached to him after he nearly killed himself 40min after bringing him home, because he shot out under my legs and headed straight for the road.. He's now my best bud... I see nothing wrong with survival of the fittest though..

[bodhi_tree777]

for what it's worth, another much-loved example of a rescue dog.

[Sputnik]

I have to say that this thread is an example of why genvibe is such a great place. It could have gotten out of control but everyone has stated their opinions respectfully. Nicely done. Sorry, Whelan I can't give any advice on this as I'm a cat nut.

[KNINE]

My Shep came from the SPCA. He's pure blood GSD. Nobody wanted him because when they let him out of the kennel, he ran around and jumped all over everybody. He was about six months old. What do you expect a dog to do that's been confined all day? Rescue dogs make great pets, given a chance.

[Tubaryan12]

Quote, originally posted by K-NINE »Members disagree with my political opinions all the time. I disagree with them. Nobody is hated.Ain't that the truth.

[lovemyraffe]

I can't give much advice on this.My dog is quite special. She has severe separation anxiety. She has been very well trained and is well behaved, but still has a few kinks we are working on. I don't think that there is any dog that is absolutely perfect, just like humans, we all have something that we could be better at.

[Whelan]

Thanks for the all the advice everyone, I'll take it to her and we can sift through.I understand the non professional breeders, But the puppies were so beautiful. I'm glad my brother got one of them. And my brothers neighbor got another so the two brothers play all the time. As for the dogs themselves, both were pure bred with papers.Neutering I think would be a good place to get started as well since it would help. He is always jumpy when the older and wiser Roxy is around.

[goochsmooch]

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe »Fact is you wouldn't just give up your own flesh and blood> son or daughter?WHOA! I absolutely LOVE dogs, but we can't be comparing dogs and humans. One glaring reason: the #1 suggestion for the OP is to neuter the dog. While this would be a great practice with sexual predators, we can't just go lopping nuts off people all willy nilly every time they get a little out of line. We have civilized methods for that... you know, tasers and billy clubs and such

[keithvibe]

Quote, originally posted by goochsmooch »WHOA! I absolutely LOVE dogs, but we can't be comparing dogs and humans. One glaring reason: the #1 suggestion for the OP is to neuter the dog. While this would be a great practice with sexual predators, we can't just go lopping nuts off people all willy nilly every time they get a little out of line. We have civilized methods for that... you know, tasers and billy clubs and such and thats whats wrong. we should compair them to humans.