short ram intake

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:43 am

what is the best short ram air intake?

Truckin1999 · Post by **Truckin1999** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:48 am

Do a search. They are all pretty much the same except for price.

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:54 am

already did.just trying to get others opinions before i buy one

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:56 am

My list (I have used all 3 of these on my vibe...lol.)1) aFe Short Ram w/heat shield2) Weapon-R Secret Intake3) Cosmo Racing

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:59 am

how does the cosmo racing preform?

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:03 am

It worked great! Probably one of the best one's out there for the money. Their filters are not pre-oiled. So I would recommend oiling it with and K&N Filter re-oiling kit, getting a K&N pre-oiled filter or getting an aFe Pro Dry-S filter.

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:11 am

do the filters have to be oiled?

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:12 am

does the weapon r intake well?

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:21 am

Quote, originally posted by vibe11 Â»do the filters have to be oiled? They don't have to be, but it is highly recommended to trap as much dirt/dust as possible.Quote, originally posted by vibe11 Â» does the weapon r intake well? Not sure what your questions was, but the Weapon-R is also a good intake, but it has a foam filter. I tried the foam filter for a little bit but switched over to a K&N for more piece of mind.Of the 3 I listed, I ranked them also in order of the gains I received from each of them. There are other intakes to look at as well. I have also tried an Ebay short ram that was only $40, but I wouldn't recomend it since the metal intake tube wall was paper thin and I could dent it with my hand. I have also heard good things about the K&N Short Ram.

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:27 am

Save your money.......spend it more wisely elsewhere.....the factory intake is NOT restrictive.

Truckin1999 · Post by **Truckin1999** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:33 am

I completely disagree with the factory intake not being restrictive. At least on the GT. The short ram gives a huge performance boost, especially when hitting lift. The 2zz sucks a lot of air during lift.

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:37 am

the factory intake is very restrictive on the base model. the tubing is very restrictive. when u take of the front intake tube that connects to the bumper u can hear the intake sucking in a lot more air.

Silversn95 · Post by **Silversn95** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:27 am

Save your money, there are better ways to get increased performance without risking your engine. A quick list of pros and consPROS:1. Potential to increase power by a few...but it could also hurt engine performance if it throws off the engine calibration.CONS:1. Costs a lot of money for only a few potential Hp.2. Additional risk of water ingestion and engine damage. Non of the aftermarket systems take water ingestion into design consideration like the OEM systems are required to do.3. Lower filter efficiency which can lead to greater engine wear (scoring cylinder walls, contamination of oil...etc). These aftermarket intakes do a relatively (removed) poor job of filtering the air.4. Oiled filters run the risk of ruining your MAFS if not oiled correctly.5. Additional induction noise. Could be a pro if you think that is a good thing. It is also the more likely reason that people state they feel the power difference. The mind more than likely is just playing tricks on you.6. Might not even work (see pros above)

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:01 am

+1 Anyone got proof (not opinions) the factory intake is restrictive?????

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:33 am

i am not buyin it it is a christmas present from my girlfriend

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:53 am

i am not getting one for the hp. i am getting one because of better airflow and because i like the sound of the short ram

Herb · Post by **Herb** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:11 am

Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush Â»My list (I have used all 3 of these on my vibe...lol.)The real question for you is what haven't you tried on your Vibe?

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:25 am

Herb · Post by **Herb** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:30 am

Quote, originally posted by vibe11 Â»huh?Sorry, I was referring to BlueCrush. He's tried practically everything it seems/

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:32 am

yeah its like hes the vibe master

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:11 pm

Quote, originally posted by vibe11 Â»i am not buyin it it is a christmas present from my girlfriend.........then see if she can send it back so she doesn't waste her money. She will thank you.

prathman · Post by **prathman** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:52 pm

Quote, originally posted by djb383 Â».........then see if she can send it back so she doesn't waste her money. She will thank you. Agreed. After seeing the independent test results on how poor the K&N and similar filters are at trapping dirt and keeping it out of the engine, I wouldn't trust any of them on our Vibes.

bull77 · Post by **bull77** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:44 pm

I've had a cosmo sri w/ k&n filter for about 4 months and I'm considering switching back to stock. I haven't really seen an increase in mileage and with the amount of stop/go driving we do, the noise is starting to annoy me. a cai or sri probably benefit a gt more than a base b/c of lift.

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:08 am

djb383i have no intention of taking it back.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:18 am

Quote, originally posted by Herb Â»Sorry, I was referring to BlueCrush. He's tried practically everything it seems/Huh? Quote, originally posted by vibe11 Â»yeah its like hes the vibe masterFar from it. I know just enough to be dangerous....lol.

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:19 am

huh what?

Truckin1999 · Post by **Truckin1999** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:28 am

djb383 How can you sit here and dog the SRI when your sig states that you are running RAM AIR on all of your vehicles?!?! (removed) do you need ram air for if the factory intake is not restrictive?!?I mod cars for a living and I have done plenty of aftermarket intakes. They have all seen benefits when properly maintained. If your gonna be lazy and not clean your filter then don't do it. But if you want the boost in hp that comes along with a boost in airflow then by all means install a SRI. I have installed aftermarket intakes on ALL of my vehicles and have NEVER had one single issue with them. Its all about maintenance. Install the SRI, properly maintain it, and you will continue to see benefits without having problems. -Sean-

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:46 am

i can only attest to the weapon-r, since that's what i've got... and i've only got the (removed) dyno to prove it, but yeah, there is a bit of a gain in using a short ram.great sound. i'd love to use the slp ram air hood with intake, but those are hard to come by these days...

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:50 am

is the slp ram air hood fiberglass or carbonfiber?

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:57 am

Quote, originally posted by vibe11 Â»is the slp ram air hood fiberglass or carbonfiber?hey lucas, its fiberglass. i like it because it has the recessed naca duct, so the shape of the hood stays the same; there's no bulge. also, it came with an intake, so as the hood was closed, the ducts ported air directly to the intake. very cool. very efficient

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:58 am

sweet very cooldo u know how it differs from the rk sport ram air hood?

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:11 am

i believe both hoods do the same thing. but unlike the slp hood, rksport mounted the scoops on the hood, instead of recessing it.... its just a matter of taste. guys on the forum have both and love them...

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:17 am

thanks for the info. do u kno if anyone is selling there stock hoods?

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:00 am

Quote, originally posted by vibe11 Â»thanks for the info. do u kno if anyone is selling there stock hoods?your best bet is to check the for sale/wanted threads http://forums.genvibe.com/zeroforum?id=20which i think you already did good luckweapon-r FTW!!!!

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:02 am

yep already didsome luck but no one will email me back

Truckin1999 · Post by **Truckin1999** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:35 am

I just emailed you.

vibe11 · Post by **vibe11** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:42 am

just emailed u back

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:03 am

Quote, originally posted by Truckin1999 Â»djb383 How can you sit here and dog the SRI when your sig states that you are running RAM AIR on all of your vehicles?!?! (removed) do you need ram air for if the factory intake is not restrictive?!?I mod cars for a living and I have done plenty of aftermarket intakes. They have all seen benefits when properly maintained. If your gonna be lazy and not clean your filter then don't do it. But if you want the boost in hp that comes along with a boost in airflow then by all means install a SRI. I have installed aftermarket intakes on ALL of my vehicles and have NEVER had one single issue with them. Its all about maintenance. Install the SRI, properly maintain it, and you will continue to see benefits without having problems. -Sean-How can I dog the SRI.......hummmm, let me count the ways:1. It draws hot engine compartment air thru the element2. The metal tube acts like a heat sink thus heating the intake air even more3. The dyno's show small increases (10hp maybe) at redline rpm and less than 5hp increase at 4K rpm and below where 99.999% of driving a street car with a stock engine is done4. Way too much money for a lookie lou thingy that does virtually nothing other than make noise all the time5. SRI marketing departments blow way to much smoke up ones (removed) 6. Flows air better than stock?........NOT!What part of "the factory intake is not ram air" do you not understand. The factory system flows air and filters air quite well but with a little ingenuity/creativity (and for less than 10$) you can tap into the high pressure air in front of the bumper/grille (when moving) and funnel/channel that high pressure air to the factory filter box. Now, with true ram air, the last thing you can be is lazy about cleaning the filter because it gets plenty dirty with bugs and debris but that's how you know its working.All cotton gauze air filters start to deteriorate beginning with the first cleaning and continue to deteriorate (less filtration) with each clean and re-oil cycle. I prefer taking a minute to install a new paper element (which filters better) vs spending the better part of a day cleaning, mostly drying and re-oiling a cotton gauze filter. If you want to play Ronnie Racer at the drag strip, just take the filter out after you get there, make your passes and put it back in before you leave for home. I make no claims about my ram air systems (other than they cost little or nothing and aren't shiney/pretty) and I have yet to see dyno charts for aftermarket SRI's or CAI's with any significant improvements below 4K rpm, again, where 99.999% of driving is done. Do you have some proof otherwise you can show us?

Amtron · Post by **Amtron** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:43 am

Quote, originally posted by bull77 Â»I've had a cosmo sri w/ k&n filter for about 4 months and I'm considering switching back to stock. Willing to sell that SRI?

bull77 · Post by **bull77** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:55 pm

Quote, originally posted by Amtron Â»Willing to sell that SRI?yah --- but i want to swap first and see how she runs, I'll let you know...

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:39 am

Quote, originally posted by djb383 Â»... with a little ingenuity/creativity (and for less than 10$) you can tap into the high pressure air in front of the bumper/grille (when moving) and funnel/channel that high pressure air to the factory filter box... care to share that with us?

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:30 am

Simply run a tube from the small grille by the fog light up to the air filter box. Only pics I could find.http://img206.imageshack.us/my...8.jpgh ... my...p.jpg

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:47 am

cool... kind of where a cai would be located... no chance of hydro-lock like what happened to cole (nascarxpert)?

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:27 am

Any ram air system is going to be a CAI but a CAI may not be a ram air system. YES, there's a big possibility of water ingestion so you must be careful and pay attention to road conditions. If there looks like a possibility of high water, simply slide the tube out of the filter box and slide it back in later. As I mentioned earlier, you must regularly check the air filter and box for bugs/debris because you're going to get plenty with true ram air.

Amtron · Post by **Amtron** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:57 am

Quote, originally posted by djb383 Â»Simply run a tube from the small grille by the fog light up to the air filter box. Only pics I could find.http://img206.imageshack.us/my...8.jpgh ... ..p.jpgYou know, I was just thinking about that today and was wondering if it's been done before. Question answered haha. Would you not be able to put a filter on the front of that so you don't get bugs/water/dirt? I think when looking at the ram air hoods I saw that they have some sort of filter on it, so I would assume you could make one?Quote, originally posted by bull77 Â»yah --- but i want to swap first and see how she runs, I'll let you know...Alright, now you've got me waiting...I have another 13,000 or so km until my warrany is up and I can start doing engine mods anyways. So you should have tested it out by spring eh?

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:52 am

I would think if you put a filter out front (on the tube) you would lose the ram air effect and only have a CAI.

Amtron · Post by **Amtron** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:04 am

I guess so, but like I said, I'm pretty sure that ram air hoods do have some form of filter built in to it to avoid the problem of dirt. I could be wrong though,

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:05 pm

One thing to consider about a ram air hood, the farther the scoops are located from the front of the vehicle, the lower the air pressure that is fed into the scoops. Also, how do you plumb and seal the scoop(s) to the intake. If they are not not sealed to the intake, you lose the ram air effect and wind up with a very expensive CAI.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:41 am

Quote, originally posted by djb383 Â»...how do you plumb and seal the scoop(s) to the intake. If they are not not sealed to the intake, you lose the ram air effect and wind up with a very expensive CAI.that's why i like the slp design. it wasn't just holes cut into a hood. the underside was ducted and it came with its intake, so when closed, the ducting came plumb with the intake

Amtron · Post by **Amtron** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:52 am

Quote, originally posted by djb383 Â»One thing to consider about a ram air hood, the farther the scoops are located from the front of the vehicle, the lower the air pressure that is fed into the scoops. Also, how do you plumb and seal the scoop(s) to the intake. If they are not not sealed to the intake, you lose the ram air effect and wind up with a very expensive CAI.Run the piping to a box like this:Something of that sort would probably work I'd think? That way it's all sealed off and the air flow goes directly to the SRI. You'd have to make it more of an enclosed box, but that's the only picture I came across lol