AEM Controller + 380cc Injectors + 190lph Fuel Pump =

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Mon May 12, 2008 11:39 pm

....a good time?Do you think the fuel pump is needed in conjunction with the injectors, or no?Going to plan on doing this after the valve body gets sent in. Who the hell knows when that can happen.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:04 am

That's a tough call....But if you are upgrading your fuel pump,you should also upgrade your fuel rail,and pressure regulator.Anyways,for the fuel pump upgrade look at walbro pumps.I thought our stock injectors were 380cc?

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:20 am

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kevera · Post by **kevera** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:50 am

I know about their stuff,a bit pricey though,just wasn't sure what size the stock injectors were.So,the stock ones are 260cc.I think the fuel pump should sufice,with the 5th disconnected and a good tune.The turbo guys use the return setup,not sure if it's a little much for ours pumping under 200hp.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:04 pm

Just out of curiosity what do you expect to gain from all these upgrades and how much is it costing you?

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:11 pm

Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â»Just out of curiosity what do you expect to gain from all these upgrades and how much is it costing you?AEM Controller is about $3504 Injectors are about $200Then the price for the install/harness/tuneThe 5th injector would be eliminated, and the 4 new injectors would be tuned better.I would expect 10-20HP over the stock TRD setup depending on the tune.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:18 pm

I wouldn't bother with the fuel pump. You and I aren't pumping enough air for that. And we would need a return line. I was thinking of converting the 5th injector to water injector duty. My appointment for the engine swap has been reschedualed for the 26th. My mechanic "forgot" to schedual it in. All well. Now I can save some more money, or buy something else. Another yearof NOT showing my car at DropFest next month

beyond-redline · Post by **beyond-redline** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:12 am

Are you two Wisconsin natives the only guys who want to make more power with the trd blower kit?? What you thinking about doing is pretty much exactly what were doing for this customer I keep referring to. However, his blow had a crack in the snout and started leaking oil (factory new, never used!) .We gave it to him and told him to get it fixed before we could start working on the install. Before you go and buy AEM FIC's please contact me directly vie email and I'll give you a price. Its certainly the way to go, so whenever your ready just let me know. TimBeyond Redline

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:55 am

I emailed you a week ago and never got a response. Is your mail server blocking Gmail addresses? I'll send you an email from my work emailI need transmission work, I have a vacuum leak somewhere, and I wanna do the AEM unit thing.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Fri May 16, 2008 4:32 pm

I'm sure there's others. Howeer, the Vibe isn't exactly the 'tuners' choice platform for sooping up. Most of the Vibe drivers I see are old people or young families.You'll be hearing from me soon. You guys do any head work?

beyond-redline · Post by **beyond-redline** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:53 am

Quote, originally posted by Petrucci914 Â»I emailed you a week ago and never got a response. Is your mail server blocking Gmail addresses? I'll send you an email from my work emailI need transmission work, I have a vacuum leak somewhere, and I wanna do the AEM unit thing.We have been working on a huge web upgrade and our web and mail server has been hit or miss. When in doubt, call the shop and talk to one of the guys there. The mail server should be stable in a week or two depending on how the upgrade goes....Quote, originally posted by Lancer Â»I'm sure there's others. Howeer, the Vibe isn't exactly the 'tuners' choice platform for sooping up. Most of the Vibe drivers I see are old people or young families.You'll be hearing from me soon. You guys do any head work? Depends on what you looking for. We have a source for really really, really nice headwork if thats what your after. He can work within a budget but you always get what you pay for. I guess it depends on how in depth you want to get. On another note, our customers supercharger is repaired and we are planning on installing it next week. I'll post up info when I receive it.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:55 am

Thanks for the update. I called you guys the other day and talked for a while and was told to send you an email. I did so and am just waiting for the prices to be given. Do you have any connections for good and quick transmission work?

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Tue May 20, 2008 11:30 am

Adam have you been to the celica forums? They have some awesome info on modding for the 1zz, whats weak, what to upgrade with etc.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:52 am

Looks like you can purchase the AEM F/IC Boomslang Harness for $280.........not sure how this would compare to Beyond Redline's charge for their harness. It says for Manual Transmission, so I'm not sure how much would have to be modified.http://www.boomslang.us/aemfic.htm

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:36 am

Any news or updates? My car was put on hold til after Drop Fest.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:43 am

That sucks. My girlfriend is working at Drop Fest and I had her do a walk around when she had time to look for a silver vibe!This is what I got from Beyond Redline:Sorry about that. Some email issues on our end. You want 440cc "high" impedence injectors. We don't like the 5th injector. It's a cheap and garbage design to get the extra fuel capacity. Same ones that come out of a 99-02 Lexus IS300 It takes roughly 2.5 hours to install the F/IC. Injectors would take about an hour. Shop rate is $80 per hour. Dyno Tuning would roughly take 3 hours @ $175 per hour. I can't touch the AEM F/IC price you have listed which is surpising since we are direct with them and and AEM certifed tuning facility. Injectors can't touch that price either.Now....you can get the Boomslang harness for the AEM unit for about $280 and it's plug 'n play, and works for Auto/Manual.They also said that they can tune just about ANYTHING, when I asked them about Unichip tuning.I'm thinking about getting the 4 450cc Injectors ($280), and then getting the standard Unichip (new for $360 at Unichips site) and then having that tuned. Seems like the most cost-effective route.The AEM Unit is about $350-400Injectors - $280Tune - $175x3Looking at about a grand....But I should focus on the transmission first and fixing the vacuum leak issue........which was fixed, and now seems like it's back. Ugh.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:24 am

Yeah God doesn't want my car to be finished. Nothing has ever been easy! Just a huge pain in the (removed). I got 380cc injectors (260hp). 450cc (300hp) seems a tad much for our little s/c'ers.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:47 am

450 cc seems a little much for us.I put the 450cc's in my buddies 2zz Greddy supercharger kit,380cc or a set of 2zz stock 320cc injectors will do.Now,I also read at boomslang the harness for the F/IC was for the manual,did you find out it will work with the autos?

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:23 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»450 cc seems a little much for us.I put the 450cc's in my buddies 2zz Greddy supercharger kit,380cc or a set of 2zz stock 320cc injectors will do.Now,I also read at boomslang the harness for the F/IC was for the manual,did you find out it will work with the autos?Ya, I thought it seemed a bit much too, but that's what I was told. It's the same price as the 380cc so I would think why not....And read above, I did get a response from Boomslang saying that it will work for Auto or Manual.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:54 am

$175/hr for tuning. Think we can get a group discount? (2 car's is a group right?)

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:57 am

Quote, originally posted by Lancer Â»$175/hr for tuning. Think we can get a group discount? (2 car's is a group right?) Two is a crowd, so I would think so!The question is, though...........Unichip or AEM. I can get the Unichip for cheaper.......if I'm getting the 4 injectors then I won't need the Turbo/SC version of the Unichip.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:47 am

Yes you still need the 'turbo' module. switches the boost on and off. And vents boost during shifting. If there's wires hooked up to the solenoid, the mod. must control it. That's my only concern about using the AEM.STILL waiting on an update from Beyond Redline and their Vibe s/c project. Seems like keeping a car indefinatly is a local trend.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:38 am

They're just like every other shop. Impossible to get in touch with, and never get back to you. Apparently they don't like money. Doesn't the turbo module just control the 5th injector, though?

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:41 am

Now,is there anyway to run without the solenoid.When I installed my buddies GReddy s/c in his 2zz,that particular s/c doesn't have a solenoid to release the boost,and it only connects via Emanage with a boomsland harness.No boost pressure switch or anything else.I'm curious now.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:08 am

I know people have done a bypass for it saying that it gives you boost faster and better throttle responce. Never noticed the differance myself. Wonder if the AEM boost contol solenoid would take care of that issue?

beyond-redline · Post by **beyond-redline** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:24 am

Back from the dead! Seriously guys, this project wasn't supposed to be this complicated. Many things have contributed to the delay of this project, but it was the supercharger itself that really put it on hold. Once we recieved the charger we determined that it had a cracked snout and was leaking oil. The customer (always looking to save a buck) took the charger back and sent it in to a discount website for rebuilding. Took another few weeks to get it back, only to find they did absolutly nothing to fix the initial problems. After a dispute between the rebuilding company and the customer, we finally recieved a new charger from them. This was a very lengthy process. Finally got it back on the car and have had some wiring issues to work through integrating the AEM FIC with the 05 ECU. HOWEVER, we do now have the charger on the car and running correctly. Charger is making 7.5 lbs of boost and made 120tq and 140hp through the automatic transmission. Car is completly stock with the exception of the charger. I have dyno graphs to post later tonight. We are still working through some other non-charger related issues on the car and should have some final numbers very soon. Boomslang is who built the harness for us, thats why they now offer the product on thier website. Summer is an extremely busy time for us, so I appologize if some emails or messages were missed. We are committed to offering our services to your community, but I didn't want to be on here making excuses the entire time the charger was in for service. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you,

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:32 am

Quote, originally posted by beyond-redline Â»HOWEVER, we do now have the charger on the car and running correctly. Charger is making 7.5 lbs of boost and made 120tq and 140hp through the automatic transmission. Car is completly stock with the exception of the charger. I have dyno graphs to post later tonight. Were those dyno numbers with the AEM f/c installed.Hope not since I passed that with the TRD ecu bone stock.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:38 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»Were those dyno numbers with the AEM f/c installed.Hope not since I passed that with the TRD ecu bone stock.I was gonna say the same thing. Those are pretty pathetic numbers for a vehicle putting out 130 at the crank......probably around 120 at the wheels, give or take.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:38 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»Were those dyno numbers with the AEM f/c installed.Hope not since I passed that with the TRD ecu bone stock.Yeah, those numbers seem low...

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:44 am

Quote, originally posted by beyond-redline Â»HOWEVER, we do now have the charger on the car and running correctly. Charger is making 7.5 lbs of boost and made 120tq and 140hp through the automatic transmission. Car is completly stock with the exception of the charger. I have dyno graphs to post later tonight. We are still working through some other non-charger related issues on the car and should have some final numbers very soon. they do seem semi low, I thought with SC it would make near 170hp? But hopefully those numbers are lower because of the other non-charger related issues and a new final number is released.

beyond-redline · Post by **beyond-redline** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:54 am

I completly agree with your feedback. It seemed low to me as well, but I don't have much to compare to except the base line of 110hp and 100tq. If you guys have dyno graphs of other 1zz equiped vibes I'd like to see them. We will be adding a Celica exhaust manifold(much less restrictive than stock 05) and replacing the cat with a high flow version. Methanol injection is also in consideration to combat this humid and hot weather. Thanks

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:03 am

Quote, originally posted by beyond-redline Â»I don't have much to compare to except the base line of 110hp and 100tq. ThanksYou are correct with those numbers,as I have seen many stock/slightly modded 1.8's just reach that number to the wheels.Plus it is an 05,which seem to have lower peak numbers that the 03-04's.BTW,is the AEM tuned yet or is it a base map?I'd like to see the dyno graph and see where your a/f is sitting.

beyond-redline · Post by **beyond-redline** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:25 am

Please see the attached file for the dyno graph. Notice this is with SAE corrected power. Also the temp. difference between the runs. Any and all feedback is appreciated.

Attached files SuperchargedVibeComparison.pdf (72.9 KB)

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:53 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â» they do seem semi low, I thought with SC it would make near 170hp? But hopefully those numbers are lower because of the other non-charger related issues and a new final number is released.170hp at the crank, not at the wheels. There are big driveline loses especially on an automatic. On my 4x4 truck I lose about 30% from the engine to the wheels.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:02 am

I've been reading this post and though i'm not S/Ced I wonder why you guys think the larger injectors are such a bad idea? Do any of you know to what percentage the factory injectors can run up to before they become unreliable, or flow drops off..?? the reason I ask is an injector that is larger than needed, can flow less than needed easily... But an injector that is to small for the application CAN'T flow more if needed... Overkill in the fuel system is not that bad of deal, would you guys agree? Same for the fuel pump... although I didn't know we didn't have a recirculating system... so that does change things a bit, unless it can be retrofitted... But, having the flow capability and the pressure on hand isn't a bad thing (I guess more in the case of a recirc system though..)Is anyone re-flashing the stock ECU's? I know my car is running ECUtek, but others are running with OpenECU which is a simple DL-able prog.. Please excuse my noobness with S/Ced vibe, I just wanna contribute..

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:39 am

Quote, originally posted by Raven Â»170hp at the crank, not at the wheels. There are big driveline loses especially on an automatic. On my 4x4 truck I lose about 30% from the engine to the wheels.Of course at the crank silly Man 170hp to the wheels on a vibe would be pretty decent."Peak torque is 145 lb.-ft. supercharged @ 4000 RPM vs. 125 lb.-ft. stock at 4200 RPM. Peak horsepower is 166 HP supercharged @ 6800 RPM vs. 130 HP @ 6000 RPM."those are toyota stated power gains. When the SC was new I remember people wanting it so they could keep up with the GT (170hp). so that was the thing back then...170hp (crank).

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:24 pm

Welcome back! been wondering what happened. I feel your frustration. I just got my car back for the second time this summer. Only had it during the 4th holiday. Would it be possible to get a picture of the engine bay of the project vibe? Detailing the s/c and boost & vacuum lines.I have a celica exhaust manifold. I don't recomend it! They're angled just slightly and I have never had a complete seal from the joint or the doughnut gasket. But if you can get it to work then you can fix mine.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:59 pm

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind Â»Is anyone re-flashing the stock ECU's? I know my car is running ECUtek, but others are running with OpenECU which is a simple DL-able prog.. You bring up good points.You aren't able to flash our Toyota ECU's like your Subie,I wish they could because I've seen some nice gains from other vehicles and usually the price is right.Even going with an aftermarket piggy-back the Toyota ECU seems to fight it.Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind Â»I've been reading this post and though i'm not S/Ced I wonder why you guys think the larger injectors are such a bad idea? Do any of you know to what percentage the factory injectors can run up to before they become unreliable, or flow drops off..?? the reason I ask is an injector that is larger than needed, can flow less than needed easily... But an injector that is to small for the application CAN'T flow more if needed... Overkill in the fuel system is not that bad of deal, would you guys agree? Same for the fuel pump... although I didn't know we didn't have a recirculating system... so that does change things a bit, unless it can be retrofitted... But, having the flow capability and the pressure on hand isn't a bad thing (I guess more in the case of a recirc system though..)Installing larger injectors is a great idea with our little heat pump,because you then can remove the 5th injector and are able to squeeze more power out of it,and it increases reliability.Now going too large is a bad thing mainly from others experiences,but any upgrade should include a larger flowing fuel pump and a larger fuel rail.They do make a recirculating system for us,although a bit pricey is a great idea and is something I'm looking into since I'm at the max point with my system.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:36 pm

Have you been on OpenECU.org? Might be something to look into... Again, me not knowing ANYTHING about the Vibe in terms of ECU or engine tuning, i'm just shooting in the dark.... Might be worht a looksee though.. Does the 2zz use a recirc system? If not, what WOULD.. or is a custom all the way?

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:52 pm

seriously check out the newcelica.org forum. They do lots of serious mods over there or a lotus site. Ive seen upgrade fuel pumps, fuel rails and of course bigger injectors is easy. I think the main issue with this TRD SC is that theres no real good way to cool the SC off. over spin that sucker and boom boom. BUT have you tried a smaller pulley?

DiveNut · Post by **DiveNut** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:16 am

Quote, originally posted by beyond-redline Â»I completly agree with your feedback. It seemed low to me as well, but I don't have much to compare to except the base line of 110hp and 100tq. If you guys have dyno graphs of other 1zz equiped vibes I'd like to see them. ThanksHere you go...http://s46.photobucket.com/alb...o.flvAfter SC Dyno Pull, Stock Airbox & Exhaust

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:41 am

Link didn't work for me?? Is it a scan or something the file type says .flv...

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:48 am

.flv is a movie type i think

DiveNut · Post by **DiveNut** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:40 am

http://s46.photobucket.com/alb...o.flvTry this one....

beyond-redline · Post by **beyond-redline** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:13 pm

Well it looks like were dead on with Divenut's results....although his looked like it ran quite a bit richer. Surprised we didn't see any gains from the better A/F but we are working on an 05 which as I recall had slightly lower output than the 03-04. I'll make sure to post any developments once we get the celica manifold on and exhaust opened up.

Celtic_Curse · Post by **Celtic_Curse** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:00 am

Does anyone have the numbers for the manual? I keep seeing the automatics but never see a manuals numbers...maybe I'll have to try. Also when I floor it my boost hits almost 10psi not 7.5? Anyone else seeing this? My 03 seems to have more power than I need, also if you are looking for a header try the DC one I have it one mine and have no issues with it.

DiveNut · Post by **DiveNut** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:55 am

Quote, originally posted by beyond-redline Â»Well it looks like were dead on with Divenut's results....although his looked like it ran quite a bit richer. Surprised we didn't see any gains from the better A/F but we are working on an 05 which as I recall had slightly lower output than the 03-04. Ya, the stock ECU/Piggyback set-up is pretty conserative and was waaaay fat. Don't think the actual HP was lower on the 05's but rather the factory was required to rate it differently. Can't remember why though...(Of course, I could be wrong too! )Quote, originally posted by Celtic_Curse Â»Does anyone have the numbers for the manual? I keep seeing the automatics but never see a manuals numbers...maybe I'll have to try. Also when I floor it my boost hits almost 10psi not 7.5? Anyone else seeing this? My 03 seems to have more power than I need, also if you are looking for a header try the DC one I have it one mine and have no issues with it.Hey Celtic_Curse, I haven't seen any Manual Tranny SC Vibe dyno numbers either. But I believe a few folks at 9thgen corolla may have done it. I have not hit 10lbs (tops out at 9ish on my ride.). Thanks for the real world feedback on the DC header ...hope to pick one up myself when I do my exhaust.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:48 am

Some gauges read on the high scale,different gauges vary a little between 1 and 2 pounds.I started at 9 psi WOT,but after my header and free flowing exhaust I only hit 7 psi max,less boost,more power from better evacuation.Free flowing x-haust FTW.

Celtic_Curse · Post by **Celtic_Curse** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:47 am

I went over to 9thGen but without search I looked through most of their posts and can't see anything. I even googled to see if a dyno would show up but they were all auto's. Thanks for the help though.

DiveNut · Post by **DiveNut** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:51 pm

Quote, originally posted by Celtic_Curse Â»I went over to 9thGen but without search I looked through most of their posts and can't see anything. I even googled to see if a dyno would show up but they were all auto's. Thanks for the help though.Check this one out Celtic_Curse, he has a manual tranny : http://www.9thgencorolla.com/f...graph