Hints at Cobalt Turbo

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:20 pm

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/1...e-web/260HP? Friggin' nuts!

Kamikaze · Post by **Kamikaze** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:25 pm

They should put that in the new vibe!

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:27 pm

yes the rumor is that engine will be over, many people at cobaltss.net are sort of mad about chevy dropping the SC as its nice to have that power all through the powerband, but the turbo is small enough to not have lots of lag. also the sky etc. have 260hp 260 trq! thats pretty good.But the current 2.0 in the SC isnt dual vvt direct injection so this is almost certain the new engine will be in it as its also in the HHR ss.... mmmm FI goodness

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:52 am

What's the point... It's hard enough to hook up 200hp in a FWD car, much less 260-280... i donno, I've never seen the point myself.. I had a friend with a VW GTi 1.8T that had everything but a different turbo done to it and it didn't hook for crap, lots of torque steer, would get rubber in the first 3 gears and 1st was basically useless...

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:58 am

If the car is designed right, it can avoid or minimize torque steer. The Mazdaspeed3 has 260+ horsepower and keeps the torque steer to a minimum. Now, traction is another story.

NibCrom · Post by **NibCrom** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:21 am

I'd say about 200 is enough for most FWD cars. My friend's GTI and my mom's Bonneville both have 200 HP, and it's plenty for both vehicles.

Kamikaze · Post by **Kamikaze** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:24 am

260HP w/LSD... will probably work on the cobalt... I think anything more than that when used other than a straight line will be wasted.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:30 am

260 turbo with the limited slip system same as perhaps the mazda speed 3 would be pretty sweet. It would hook up. Maybe not in the current Vibe. but a turbo would be pretty sweet.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:38 am

the cobalt has a LSD option so if it goes turbo it will most likely be standard in the SS's and have torq limited in 1st and 2nd gear maybe? I know if they use the current cobalt ss tranny the 1st gear sucks nuts even for the SC, its too short.

Vibe_dude · Post by **Vibe_dude** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:55 am

they are dropping the SC motor because it does not meet the up coming emissions standards.but the turboed version does.and with more power.so what not to love.lol.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:21 am

which makes no sense considering the SC can get 35 on the hwy.......

ajflan · Post by **ajflan** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:50 pm

I always thought that this was the logical choice. It seemed kind of stupid to have a supercharged and a turbocharged version of the same engine. Especially since the turbo makes so much more power. I was worried that they were dropping the ss for good. That would suck because I love those cars.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:28 pm

well the SC 2.0 doesnt have dual vvt or direct injection. the turbo has both...so they are slightly different engines.... but yeah it is odd they had both in their fleet of gm. thing is the cobalt ss sc dominated the race circuit with turbo...we'll see how they do. I like SC cuz its there NOW turbo...gotta spool that baby.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:25 am

it just got official!http://www.cobaltss.net/cobalt_ss_turbocharged/UH OHH i may have to start saving up for a hhr ss or cobalt ss.....

NibCrom · Post by **NibCrom** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:50 am

That could probably whoop the SI's (removed) pretty easily. Is there no price announced yet? I wouldn't mind taking one for a test drive, just to see what it's like.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:54 am

Civic SI? It could beat that before no problem. Now it's going to be in the realms of the Mazdaspeed3, SRT4, etc. The SI is NA and only around 190-200HP. It never stood a chance and is a waste of money.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:07 am

Quote, originally posted by Petrucci914 Â»Civic SI? It could beat that before no problem. Now it's going to be in the realms of the Mazdaspeed3, SRT4, etc. The SI is NA and only around 190-200HP. It never stood a chance and is a waste of money.hahah i totally agree. my friends SC balt was beating turbo honda's and a stock srt4. best thing:"This combination enabled the Cobalt SS to set a new class record while circulating the famed NÃƒÂ¼rburgring racing circuit, posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes."

ToolGuy · Post by **ToolGuy** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:42 am

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind Â»What's the point... It's hard enough to hook up 200hp in a FWD car, much less 260-280... i donno, I've never seen the point myself.. I had a friend with a VW GTi 1.8T that had everything but a different turbo done to it and it didn't hook for crap, lots of torque steer, would get rubber in the first 3 gears and 1st was basically useless... Options are: Get sticky tires. Put heat in the tires. Limited slip front axle.My Vette breaks traction when I stift into second on cold tires but it is still hooking up. Not all cars in this world are AWD...

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:37 am

Quote, originally posted by MiVibe-ToolGuy Â»Options are: Get sticky tires. Put heat in the tires. Limited slip front axle.My Vette breaks traction when I stift into second on cold tires but it is still hooking up. Not all cars in this world are AWD...Oh no, I fully understand that, it's just with weight transfer your vette you are getting help from weight transfer.. On a FWD car weight transfer is hurting you, along with torque steer and the possibility of cold tires ect... And no, not all cars are AWD, but they SHOULD be..........................

ToolGuy · Post by **ToolGuy** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:47 am

Nah I hear ya! My PT Cruiser GT Turbo would do a one wheel peel nicely at 215 engine HP! I agree though a FWD pushing that much power should be AWD at that point like the Caliber SRT should be. Or at least engineer both front wheels to spin together.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:51 am

I believe the computer limits the amount of torque in first gear to prevent any issues. I'd be all over this if it was AWD. I'd like the Mazdaspeed3 but there just aren't as many aftermarket options for it as the Cobalt.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:18 am

you should see the aftermarket for the cobalt.... GM actually has lots of parts because its used for racing. There is also ZZP and some others. Theres development for a twin charge, twin screw sc and turbo kits...all sorts of things.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:30 am

Quote, originally posted by MiVibe-ToolGuy Â»Nah I hear ya! My PT Cruiser GT Turbo would do a one wheel peel nicely at 215 engine HP! I agree though a FWD pushing that much power should be AWD at that point like the Caliber SRT should be. Or at least engineer both front wheels to spin together. Well sure, and car with a LSD has an advantage over one without, espicaly when upping the power, but still even with an LSD on a FWD car you have weight transfer working aginst you...

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:07 am

well with the cobalt ss turbo and lsd it has to be doing something right to have the fastest fwd lap time on the nurburg ring. those SC ones were winning crazy amounts of circuit racing.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:18 pm

oh my, they used plastic for the ducting. Ick!http://www.autoblog.com/photos...63673/

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:35 pm

lol (removed) that is the goofiest stock turbo ive seen.. well I bet either GMPP (performance division) will have the upgrade to the metal pipe ones or that will be the first upgrade for many

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:19 am

Quote, originally posted by Petrucci914 Â»oh my, they used plastic for the ducting. Ick!http://www.autoblog.com/photos...63673/Plastic ISN'T a bad option, less heat transfer than metal... the new subies use plastic end tanks on the intercoolers now.. and they have had plastic endlinks on the rear swaybars for YEAR (not that THAT is a good thing, in that spot..)

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:22 am

true...but i think the main issue is the fitting. if you look how it goes over the engine, it flattens out. I am assuming a 3inch round tube woulnt fit between the hood and the engine unless the hood was modified. But also look at how the plastic tube changes shape just going from the front to the back...big, small, bigg theres some restriction there.....

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:23 am

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind Â»Plastic ISN'T a bad option, less heat transfer than metal... the new subies use plastic end tanks on the intercoolers now.. and they have had plastic endlinks on the rear swaybars for YEAR (not that THAT is a good thing, in that spot..)Lets not forget people are installing the legacy plastic intake manifolds for better air flow and the heat transfer.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:25 am

well, then plastic must be the only way to go then.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:43 pm

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»well, then plastic must be the only way to go then.Hay now, my spidey sense is detecting serious sarcasm here.... lol

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:33 am

that's how i roll!

tangerine · Post by **tangerine** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:12 pm

bout time they go turbo. As for hooking up its all in the driver/suspension. there are several 1000+hp built cobalts running around now. That is one stout 4banger.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:21 pm

Quote, originally posted by tangerine Â»bout time they go turbo. As for hooking up its all in the driver/suspension. there are several 1000+hp built cobalts running around now. That is one stout 4banger.uhhh i dont think any factory cobalt is making 1000 hp...if your talking about the drag cobalt, thats a different engine.. I think 400hp was what some of those 2.0's with twin charge were getting.

tangerine · Post by **tangerine** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:42 pm

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»uhhh i dont think any factory cobalt is making 1000 hp...if your talking about the drag cobalt, thats a different engine.. I think 400hp was what some of those 2.0's with twin charge were getting.Not talking about Red Devil. There are several people making that kind of power now out of the ecotec now. We had a big discussion on this on our local car forums recently.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:46 pm

Quote, originally posted by tangerine Â»Not talking about Red Devil. There are several people making that kind of power now out of the ecotec now. We had a big discussion on this on our local car forums recently.Link? Pictures?

tangerine · Post by **tangerine** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:50 pm

Send a PM to remind me. I'll get it when I get home. I'm on my phone right now waiting to see the doctor. booring out here.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:13 am

search and you shall find people!http://www.thecarconnection.co....html

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:50 am

oh well come on thats a highly modified engine but um...id buy one and throw it in a cobalt

NibCrom · Post by **NibCrom** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:26 am

I'm really impressed with this car. Not only can it lap the Ring in a respectable 8:22, it can beat plenty of more expensive more powerful cars around a track:http://www.caranddriver.com/re...d=320I love the Vibe, but I wouldn't mind having a Cobalt SS so I could go autocrossing with my dad.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:16 am

That article is complete garbage. But I'll not say why or what misinformation C/D tends to spew from many other reviews and data. I have yet to test the new Cobalt SS TC. I should call and see if they have any to check out. I rate them on par with the Neon SRT4..... great for power on a budget.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:11 am

you cant compare a cobalt to a srt4...the srt4 cant turn! hahah the cobalt is a proven track car. It owned its cup so much it had to demod because it won sooo many. its a sweet car and glad i have some competition now There have been plenty of comparisons between ms3, ss cobalt, gti etc. and the cobalt or ms3 keep killing the competition. i likey

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:58 pm

Same engine here!

NibCrom · Post by **NibCrom** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:07 am

damronjr, have you raced your SS? I know the HHR and the Cobalt are different, but wondering if you had any impressions.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:18 am

his being a automatic, he has less HP/torq than the manual hhr or cobalt...soo its harder to compare properly.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:54 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»his being a automatic, he has less HP/torq than the manual hhr or cobalt...soo its harder to compare properly.True, but I did race it and liked it a LOT better than the S/C'ed Vibe! Shifts were a great deal smoother and obviously the times were better, close to my wife's V6 Camry! There are upgrades coming though!

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:26 am

Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â»True, but I did race it and liked it a LOT better than the S/C'ed Vibe! Shifts were a great deal smoother and obviously the times were better, close to my wife's V6 Camry! There are upgrades coming though! hey im not trying to knock it just saying. For a auto and its size and haulability its a sweet rig. I sat in one and liked it, just didnt want a auto for my new car. The tranny they use is strong for what it is, but I wish they could of kept the same performance...that would be soo nice and a good drag car.

NibCrom · Post by **NibCrom** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:41 am

Well, my wife said I could get one. But I don't have the money, so it doesn't matter!

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:45 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»hey im not trying to knock it just saying. For a auto and its size and haulability its a sweet rig. I sat in one and liked it, just didnt want a auto for my new car. The tranny they use is strong for what it is, but I wish they could of kept the same performance...that would be soo nice and a good drag car.I didn't really want an auto myself, but as neither the wife nor I know how to drive a MT, I didn't get much choice. I was willing to learn, but she said "you better get an auto!" Didn't even know there was a difference in HP/TQ until after I got it!

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:55 am

haha well I really like driving stick, the ms3 is my first MT. Glad I got it but know what you mean. Very good thing GM offered it auto, and hey there is a market for it.

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