local off duty police officer killed in pontiac vibe.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:55 pm

heard this on the news last night. it looked like a horrible wreck. i couldn't tell it was a vibe.http://www.stltoday.com/stltod...be%22

ToolGuy · Post by **ToolGuy** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:14 am

Sounds horrible, wonder what he was doing...

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:27 am

so they are trying to determine how fast he was going against traffic... what I wanna know is what was he doing going against traffic?

Mr. Poopypants · Post by **Mr. Poopypants** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:35 am

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik Â»so they are trying to determine how fast he was going against traffic... what I wanna know is what was he doing going against traffic? I was wondering the same thing.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:57 am

on the news they said he wasn't a drinker. they think he may have been confused by some road signs. the toxicology (sp?) report is coming out today.

Mr. Poopypants · Post by **Mr. Poopypants** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:59 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â» they think he may have been confused by some road signs. Those have to be some REALLY confusing road signs.

BOZACK · Post by **BOZACK** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:00 am

Can we say drunk driving. The majoity of wrong way accidents are alchohol related. A nurse once told me that more police officers get into dwi accidents but they get covered up. Not saying that is the case here, but lok at the stats. Of course it could be some other medical reason.

mcgusto82 · Post by **mcgusto82** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:18 am

defenately looks suspicious. i want to know if he had a seatbelt on. it would show how comparable this collion is. the pick up guy has minor injuries. the accident couldn't had been that bad.

tnpartsguy · Post by **tnpartsguy** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:20 am

could he have fallen asleep and crossed the median? happens around here a lot......

jasonvibe · Post by **jasonvibe** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:37 am

2 cars head on, both doing over 60mph = one doing 120 and hitting something solid. Would you expect to walk away?

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:40 am

Quote, originally posted by jasonvibe Â»2 cars head on, both doing over 60mph = one doing 120 and hitting something solid. Would you expect to walk away?actually,, if the two cars have the same mass, the effect of a head on with another car, both going 60 mph is exactly the same as hitting a solid immoveable object at 60 mph, not 120. If the vehicles are different mass, the advantage goes to the heavier one.

Toolman · Post by **Toolman** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:45 pm

I know a guy who drove the wrong way for several miles before getting pulled over, he was drunk. I would say to drive the wrong way you would be under the infuence of something.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:14 pm

There is another article at http://www.kmov.com/video/vide....html that provides this picture but no further info on why he was going the wrong way

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goodvibe · Post by **goodvibe** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:32 pm

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»actually,, if the two cars have the same mass, the effect of a head on with another car, both going 60 mph is exactly the same as hitting a solid immoveable object at 60 mph, not 120. If the vehicles are different mass, the advantage goes to the heavier one. I tried to explain this once to a teacher in traffic school(ticket) about 10 yrs ago and he just didn't get it. His point was you'd be better off hitting a tree dead on than another car. I'd aim away from another individual and take my chances anyway but his physics could use some learnin'.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:01 pm

Usually accidents don't provide adedquate time to choose, but perhaps if you could choose the tree at least then it would only be a one car accident

mcgusto82 · Post by **mcgusto82** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:13 am

not rtying to sound selfish, but a tree is NOT going to move an provide cushiom like anotehr car would. ofcourse natural reaction would be to avoid another car. from all the accident photos i've seen, hitting a tree is the worse thing to hit. a tree will split your car in half.the picture o that vibe shows how well the cabin held. the car is obviously totalled but the cabin looks well. i don't think he had a seatbelt on. RIP

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:56 am

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»actually,, if the two cars have the same mass, the effect of a head on with another car, both going 60 mph is exactly the same as hitting a solid immoveable object at 60 mph, not 120. If the vehicles are different mass, the advantage goes to the heavier one. Took me a few minutes to understand the logic of that. It is contrary to what most people think and/or are told. Thanks for the insight.

Toolman · Post by **Toolman** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:38 pm

Anyone have an update on the toxicoligy report, dying to Know(no pun intented).

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:33 am

Quote, originally posted by Toolman Â»Anyone have an update on the toxicoligy report, dying to Know(no pun intented).http://www.stltoday.com/stltod...umentQuote Â»An off-duty St. Louis police detective was drunk when he was killed in a head-on collision while driving the wrong way on Interstate 270 near Troy, Ill., according to testimony Wednesday at the Madison County coroner's inquest....Toxicology tests showed that Jones' blood-alcohol level was 0.14, according to testimony at the coroner's inquest hearing. Testing of his eye fluid, which is more accurate than blood tests, revealed an alcohol level of 0.2. The legal limit to drive in Illinois is 0.08.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:40 am

i had been meaning to mention this, but i forgot. i found out yesterday he was declared drunk.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:41 am

Well its a shame when those enforcing the laws... die breaking them...

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