Continuation: VOTM suggestions

Kari · Post by **Kari** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:59 am

Continuing the OT discussion from http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=19167Quote, originally posted by george Â»Well arcs thank you aswell for the reply and yes i beleive you missed a few things how much time you have loli'll keep it short heres my ideas i'll just throw them out there and we'll see what everyone else thinks being this topic all of asudden has finally git some dew attentionlets try this i understand everyone is responsible to post there own photos cool!!!but would be nice to see you the big cheeses post those photosaswell list there names a breif discription of mods etc and have a dead line to enter photosthen have some obvious pro's such as yourself judge them being moderators and such to pick the actuall best VOTM dosent seem to hardand let all the politicing up to the people of gen vibe to do all the chatting and wait for the reseults in a weak or two after ,hummmm dosent seem to hardthanks georgeI understand your thought process, but how are we the "pros" just because we're mods? I would venture to say most members here probably know more about their cars than I do, so I'm definitely no "pro." If we were to go to a system like this, I think it would have to be a "panel" of sorts, not really just mods, but then there's the problem of how we would go about fairly choosing the panel.IMHO, the VOTM contest would lose a lot of its fun if it was just moderator chosen instead of community voted. The basis of the contest was for it to be community voted. As I said in the previous thread, our past winners have always been deserving winners as far as their car goes and Faultline is no exception, so I think the system as it is now, is working.Also, I'm still curious as to why you had no complaints about the system until all the votes were in and you weren't the winner, but now all of a sudden you want a revamp. Once again, I understand what you're saying, but the timing makes it look more like you're just upset that you didn't win; in other words, that the current system didn't work in your favor.

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:22 pm

Quote, originally posted by Kari Â»Continuing the OT discussion from http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=19167I understand your thought process, but how are we the "pros" just because we're mods? I would venture to say most members here probably know more about their cars than I do, so I'm definitely no "pro." If we were to go to a system like this, I think it would have to be a "panel" of sorts, not really just mods, but then there's the problem of how we would go about fairly choosing the panel.IMHO, the VOTM contest would lose a lot of its fun if it was just moderator chosen instead of community voted. The basis of the contest was for it to be community voted. As I said in the previous thread, our past winners have always been deserving winners as far as their car goes and Faultline is no exception, so I think the system as it is now, is working.Also, I'm still curious as to why you had no complaints about the system until all the votes were in and you weren't the winner, but now all of a sudden you want a revamp. Once again, I understand what you're saying, but the timing makes it look more like you're just upset that you didn't win; in other words, that the current system didn't work in your favor.Agreed. Just because we are moderators does not make us a "pro" in any sense. Moderators moderate discussions, forums, try to resolve disputes etc etc. You don't even have to own a Vibe to be a moderator. Thats not the point. Kari's right - people would not enjoy the VOTM as much if the moderators got together and said "we proclaim so and so, the VOTM!" Boring! Then we'd have even more people complaining - how did you pick it? Why did you pick it? I also don't feel its the place of the moderators to post photos of the nominees. If the person nominated has an interest in posting photos then they will. It is not always necessary to post photos - sometimes a member has been around long enough that we know or have seen older photos of their car, to make a voting decision. The thing about this site is that there are a high number of long time members. We don't always need to see the photos. Photos are always good of course, to remind us, but they aren't always necessary to win.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:06 am

I can understand George's gripe about no pictures he just went about it the wrong way and came off like an a$$. No big deal, I have done the same thing. I mean how can a newer member vote when he can't see pics. So with that said, what if it was done this way. First week of the month is nomination week, the second week is for everyone to get their pictures posted, then the mods will add a poll to the pictures thread, then the 3rd and 4th weeks are the voting weeks. Nominees or their nominators must post at least one picture by the close of the second week or they get dropped for that month. I know it may sound kind of harsh but I am just throwing out an idea that we can use or start to expand from. What does everyone think about that?

BOZACK · Post by **BOZACK** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:29 am

I like your idea Blue. I'm all for it.

binary · Post by **binary** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:42 am

Quote, originally posted by BOZACK Â»I like your idea Blue. I'm all for it. Yes - a structured VOTM is needed. I like Blue's idea - you got a week to get photos up, that's a resonable time frame - and gives you all enough time to prim and prep

ZubenElGenubi · Post by **ZubenElGenubi** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:01 pm

I like the structured idea as well. Not that the current method is horribly flawed, but it would be nice to see pictures to back up the nominations. I'd like to amend the suggestion to include a description of features and/or significant modifications (whether performance, convenience, or appearance). With the case of vehicles like Faultline's and devlops, those features were significant.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:43 pm

A lot of this is my fault. I was the guy who neglected to post pics after being nominated. The guidlines for VOTM kindly asked that nominees post pics. I wasnt trying to be inconsiderate,but my neglect frustrated a few people. A little better structure would be fine, and if guys like me dont post their pics in time, maybe they should lose their nomination for that month..( Of course I say this after I won )One thing that George said that should be cleared up is something LIKE "Isnt the winner of VOTM suppose to be the one with the nicest Vibe?"That has not exactly been my assumption. Votm can be interpreted many different ways by the voters. My win was based on members apreciation of my pioneering in the forced induction category as a performance mod on the Vibe. If I found out that a Vibe last month drove across the mississippi river to rescue stranded Katrina victims, I would vote for that Vibe for Votm, and the driver as member of the month If the Votm is simply a show car level contest, then I understand george's frustration that I won. Yet, some people apreciate performance mods over other types . I am one of them. I would not trade my car for the seemingly more aestheticly pleasing ones.I appreciate Joatmon's nominations and share his sensibilities. Perhaps the nature of VOTM can be better clarified, or maybe it is for most of us. If anything , maybe the nominees can be a little more polite and post pics

4X4CHICHI · Post by **4X4CHICHI** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:48 pm

sounds like a bunch of wah wah foo foo b.s. to me. you deserved the win you have done more to your vibe, (pioneering wise) than all of us put together. now, if I could get all your stuff on a nice fusion monotone package, woohoo lighten up georgy!

gargoyle · Post by **gargoyle** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:55 pm

Maybe the nominees should write a 500 word essay..."Why I should be VOTM", or maybe the should have to submit a formal resume, or compete in an obstacle course in their Vibe, etc...I agree with Joatman... adding technicalities and conditions will take the fun out of it. VOTM seems to have work just fine the way it is up until now... just fun and friendly recognition of fellow Vibers... until someone got PO'd and ranted because they didn't win.I do agree that it would be nice if the nominees posted pics of their rides... just because I like to see pics. But it shouldn't be a required criteria because there's more to it than just visuals and appearance.I haven't personally met any of you fellow genvibe members or seen your Vibes in person, so I base my vote on what I know of you from on here. I'm certainly not mechanically qualified to judge based on specific mods or other technical criteria, but I can appreciate the hard work, the invested time, and the brotherly (and sisterly) contributions to our Vibe community. Those are what I base my vote on, and I want to keep it that way.

millster · Post by **millster** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:23 am

And I'll chime in now to say that I think VOTM will stay much the way it is.Thankfully Arcsvibe stepped in this last time and got it off the ground or it might not exist at all. VOTM is just a fun little event that brings the community together and pinpoints some of the masterful work people have done to their Vibes. As others have said, it has run fine up to this point and nobody has complained. Of course we're always open to change and perhaps we can put more of an emphasis on submitting photos. In many cases, it would really be helpful.

BOZACK · Post by **BOZACK** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:18 am

Pictures and a discription of the mods would be helpful in deciding who to vote for. Especially for those members that are new. But you don't have to post new pics every month. Just a link to a cardomain page would be good. I know alot of you have such a page and it gives all the information about the car needed. That would be good enough for me.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:19 am

Just my $0.02, but when I first started voting for VOTM one of my first questions was, "where the hell are the pics, how do we know what we are voting for?". I post pics (not nearly enough to show enough to show all that I have done, but enough to give an idea) and I think that it is really up to the nominee, if they want to win then they better post pics! However, this is where I can see it being a problem for newer people, seeing 10-15 Vibes to vote on, only 3 (random # there FYI) of which have posted pics, and someone with no pictures posted wins, it might seem a little weird. Newer people won't know of those who were here before and posted all their stuff before, and some don't frequent often also leaving those new voters wondering how they managed to win. I know it doesn't matter, but from an outside perspective it might not look like it is running the way it "should". it only makes sense that a nominee should post at least 1 pic and a short schpeil about their Vibe for those who don't know everyone yet. Another suggestion I have that may fall through just due to the lack of ability of this to work would be VOTY, just something that each of the last years VOTM's would be voted for for a final VOTY. Just a though, figured I'd throw it out there. Since the site is generally (not lately) updated with the VOTM info, all GVCers would have to do is browse through the last years VOTM winners and vote for a VOTY. It would be al ot easier, no nomination time, just a month to vote and your done. Just an idea. Anyways, that was just my $0.02, take it or leave it.

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:46 am

Well put there, joatmon, you ol' goat!!! lol

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Kari · Post by **Kari** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:49 am

But is the GenVibe goat related to the GenVibe sheep? Anyway, great post Joat...I think that's more pictures of your Vibe than we've ever seen. I'm loving the one of you in the driver's seat...hehe.

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ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:55 am

We've NEVER had issues with this system until now, this is ridiculous.The guy disappears from the site for almost 2 years, comes back, and is now crying because people don't vote for his damn car?And before you criticize my car george, it changed a HELL of a lot since you saw it in ohio 2 years ago. You say the vote should be about the "nicest" car. Well, nicety is relative. What's nice to you is not nice to me. To some people, a nice car is anything newer then the beat up piece of junk they're driving, but they can't afford to replace. To others, a nice car is stock look outside, high-tech inside with top of the line sound, lighting, and technology. To others, it's the opposite. Stock interior, fancy wheels, graphics, lighting, and powertrain modifications ont he outside. And everything in between.And you say it should be about the car, not the owner. Well doesn't the owner MAKE the car what it is? If you owned my exact car, same vin number, would it not be customized similar - if not identical - to what you have now? The owner is just as important as the car itself.The system works. The people vote for the owner and/or car they feel is most deserving, whether it be for community contribution, pioneering modifications, or even just the simplicity of being "the car with the most miles and the fewest repairs" (not that those criteria have come into play, but they could).The system has worked flawlessly, and without complaint, for a year (at the end of october anyway). Just because you didn't get more then 3 votes (i bet one of those votes was you voting for yourself too, wasn't it), don't try and pin it on a failing system.[/end rant]

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:40 am

I'm really disappointed with the community though, I thought youse guys were my friends! Yet not once have I ever been nominated for VOTM, and even if I did get nominated, like anybody would vote for me.That's fine though, you can keep your piddly little Vibe Of The Month award, I'm shooting for Vibe Of The Millenium! After all, I have way more new parts than any of you!!!A little about Sir Knocksalot, because I know you're jealousMODS:Exterior mods are few, but do include bug deflector, tint, grafxwerks stuff, etc. Also, I have added brake dust, gravel dust, tons of bugs and rock chips. The neighbor was kind enough to help me out with a passenger side front fender dent mod. I like the things I have done to this car, it makes it stand out.Inside though, that is where I find myself spending most of the time in the car. Unless I'm outside the car pushing it alongside the highway if it has broken down.So, inside I've added nifty things like LED's, grafxwerks stuff, a Sirius tuner. Most important though, I have a lot of trash in the car. And oddly enough, one of the many piles of junk in the car is actually car cleaning supplies. Stained seats all around have been added. Carpeting has had coffee, coke, and grease added to give the car that special "lived in" look. The console is sticky from coffee being spilled all over the place. The trash has not been cleaned out of this car since before the Ohio meet, and even then I just barely cleaned it up. You can find things like wires, wire cutters, electrical tape, sockets, ratchets, and screwdrivers scattered around everywhere, I keep plenty on hand in case I need a particular tool but can't find it buried under the pile of crap in the back seat. This is clean for the car, I'm sorry that I couldn't show more. Don't YOU wish YOU had the custom trash illumination package like my car? hah!And here, you can even see an LED that I ripped out of the dash that died, but I never bothered to do anything with it other than leave it laying on the driver's floor mat.So that is why I think my car is so special enough to be Vibe of the MILLENIUM!

george · Post by **george** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:43 am

Wow now this is soem good stuff been back for awhile to this sight and finally something worth reading on here lol wow were to start lol, Well apparently 90% of the people who matter think like i do when it comes to putting togther a "freindly FUN" competition must be some sort of stucture it can be fun but not rediculous like voting on a car thats Crashed Goat! come on just dont think a shabby looking scratched up plastic fender car with aton of mile ! 91K you know who you are should win either my opion i compare this to a show sorry just thought it was what it was all about not wrm fuzzy people Kari and i understand not evryone can afford to fix up there cars thats cool and i know i work out of my ride as well just carried a 3'x8' alumn sign in it for work the other day and drive around average of 120-150 miles aday wit near 75k on mine aswell so its all good thats why i bought my car like others too be practicul and use full there is a few really awesome cars here like Cruch's -damronjr's-4x4chichi's car very sharp almost a theme to them the mods look purposable but back to the point good luck on the votm's in the futher just not a well put togther thing unless you have a criteria to do it maybe you moderators should listen to a veteran like crush he actually sounds like he knows whatts going on ' see the connection he has a sweet ride too! besides i'm just the new guy, And some made a good point lets see soem photos posted and have no repeat winners sorry for the confusion and dont worry about my blood pressure I'm one of the ones that has owned my vibe that has not been in the shop after this many miles and pleasure loving it everyday and still love to blow past all those new G6's and other 6 cylinders on the road later all thnaks for the good reading !

Kari · Post by **Kari** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:51 am

Umm...as best I can tell, my name is just sort of stuck in this post...am I not warm and fuzzy? Or is my name related to the concept of not fixing up one's car?*is confused**feels her confusion might be alleviated by some punctuation**then she would know which sentence her name goes with*

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:27 pm

Quote, originally posted by george Â»still love to blow past all those new G6's and other 6 cylinders on the roadJust because you pass a car on the highway does not mean it couldn't kick your car's (removed) off the line.When other cars pass me, it's not because they're faster. It's because I'm driving the speed limit (or slightly above) and do not have a one track mind in which the only purpose in life is to be the fastest car on the road.I have no doubt in my mind a G6 GTP could put your GT to shame.Then again, to many, speed and "who's fastest" comes second to a car that makes them feel good about themselves...a car they love and worked their (removed) off to pay for, and reminds them that hard work DOES get someone what they want. And yeah, as has been said. If you want your voice to be heard, try some punctuation.

binary · Post by **binary** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:49 pm

It seems as if this thread and others like it have become a pissing match between people.Lets let the thread die... someone has to grow up and be the better poster.>>>

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:57 pm

If you have suggestions we are open to them...please stick to the topic...

tnpartsguy · Post by **tnpartsguy** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:38 pm

Within one week of nomination for VOTM; said viber should submit CURRENT photos in the following format; Front Quarter View, Side View, Rear Quarter View, interior drivers door Minimum! Additional photos would be appreciated, but not mandatory. The moderator/member that nominates that person should/would PM or Email the nominee to let them know they have been nominated. On the 8th day if no response has been attempted from the nominee, the nomination should be removed. VOTM should be about the car, not so much about the person that owns the car, even though the owner's personality WILL influence the Gen Vibe Community's voting. I know given 2 cars that I like, I personally will cast my vote for the one owned by someone who has been a good poster, on top of a good modder. MOTM should be implemented! This would be for the people that deserve Kudos for being good members of OUR community to get the recognition they deserve, and it helps take the popularity contest out of VOTM, at least to a small degree. IMHO, my $.02 ect ect.

djpositivek · Post by **djpositivek** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:00 pm

I don't think VOTM is the problem. I'm new and I figured it out. The cars that had no pics or link to pics didn't get my vote. No big deal. I think the problem is one bad member. I haven't seen one positive post from George. All he does is stir the pot up and he seems to love the attention. If I were a moderator he would be banned indefinitly. You guys probably won't do that because you're too nice This place is a privilege and when you abuse your privilige to browse the site, you should lose that privilige.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:24 am

There are months where we have trouble getting VOTM nominations and voting going...and there have been months where it's not happened.Do we think adding a second thing (MOTM) to that is such a wise idea?

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:57 am

Thanks everyone for your suggestions we will still keep it open so that everyone gets a chance to add their thoughts to this. If you don't mind I will start the next one with a few guidelines here they are at: http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=19240

BigMac · Post by **BigMac** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:37 am

Last VOTM month was my first, and I had no trouble figuring out what the deal was. I don't think there were that many votes... so I'm not sure if there's much point in making in tougher to get participation (required photos or anything else)

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:32 am

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:08 am

Quote, originally posted by ArcsVibe Â»Thanks everyone for your suggestions we will still keep it open so that everyone gets a chance to add their thoughts to this. If you don't mind I will start the next one with a few guidelines here they are at: http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=19240One comment/question - in the new thread you've gotQuote, originally posted by ArcsVibe Â» 2) Once nominated I will send you an IM or an email to inform you. This is to give you time to submit pictures or a link to a cardomain/photobucket page once the voting begins. If you don't submit a picture people can't vote for you So we're going with the ideas suggested here that you must have a picture to get votes? Personally I don't think that they can't receive votes if they don't post pictures - thats a risk they take by not posting, but I don't think we should mandate it.

Kari · Post by **Kari** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:59 am

Quote, originally posted by Sputnik Â»So we're going with the ideas suggested here that you must have a picture to get votes? Personally I don't think that they can't receive votes if they don't post pictures - thats a risk they take by not posting, but I don't think we should mandate it.Exactly...if anything, not posting a picture would be detrimental to your efforts of winning, not helpful to it. Sometimes there are exceptions, but even with no pictures, Faultline won...imagine how many more votes he might have gotten with pictures; we'll never know, but either way I bet he probably would have won. So I'm not sure we should require pictures in order to participate either...too many rules and formalities does tend to suck the fun out of such things.

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:08 am

Quote, originally posted by Kari Â»too many rules and formalities does tend to suck the fun out of such things. Yeppers. It ain't broke, never has been broke... Don't bother fixin' it. Just because one became sour on the outcome doesn't mean the entire concept has to be revamped. New and exciting ideas are always welcome, and if we're changing VOTM to implement new and exciting ideas, then I'm all for change. But if we're changing it because someone threw a hissy fit, I don't think change is justified.Just MHO of course, this hasn't been an issue until the latest VOTM. I'll never get nominated, let alone win the thing, I'm just a voter. I've never had issues with any of this previously...

millster · Post by **millster** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:25 am

Here's the thing though guys. We have now had two winners that we haven't gotten photos from. Part of winning the VOTM is to have your car's photos posted in the gallery. If we don't have those photos though, we can't post them and then what's the point of the VOTM?If we can get photos up front, at least we have something to post when the person wins.

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:11 am

Yes, but considering how difficult it seems to be to actually get one going each month, thats a small victory in itself, in my opinion. And where does the VOTM winner get posted? I thought it was on the main page of Genvibe, but that page hardly ever gets updated anyway... so do we need a writeup at all?

millster · Post by **millster** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:18 am

Well now that Arcsvibe has the wheel, the VOTM will stay running.The writeup for the winner normally goes on the front page. However, with the lack of photos for the past few, we really have nothing to post. We'll see what happens with people posting photos this time and go from there.

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:06 pm

Quote, originally posted by Sputnik Â»One comment/question - in the new thread you've gotSo we're going with the ideas suggested here that you must have a picture to get votes? Personally I don't think that they can't receive votes if they don't post pictures - thats a risk they take by not posting, but I don't think we should mandate it.I changed it Sputnik. It is up to the nominee to post pics,if they don't people will not see their cars and not vote. They can still receive votes though.Does it make sense? I am feeling a little under the weather today

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:33 pm

Quote, originally posted by millster Â»Well now that Arcsvibe has the wheel, the VOTM will stay running.The writeup for the winner normally goes on the front page. However, with the lack of photos for the past few, we really have nothing to post. We'll see what happens with people posting photos this time and go from there. I SWEAR mine are coming! HONEST!

4X4CHICHI · Post by **4X4CHICHI** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:54 am

can we somehow get them from their profile pix? if they have them

millster · Post by **millster** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:58 am

Sorry Raging, I wasn't trying to call you out on that. I know you've been busy. Psychovibe is more of a concern for me. I haven't even heard from him that he's planning to provide any. I suppose we can always just use the ones that have been posted but I would like to have his permission to post them to the front page first.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:55 am

just to clarify, faultline won because he has THE turboed vibe, which is undoubtedly the fastest here. that's exactly why he got my vote!

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:01 am

Listen gals and guys no need to explain why you voted, it's your vote you choose who you want. You wanted to vote for faultline cuz of his turbo fine, cuz you like him or his car fine. Again no need to explain why you voted for that person

ZubenElGenubi · Post by **ZubenElGenubi** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:15 am

Quote, originally posted by Sputnik Â»Yes, but considering how difficult it seems to be to actually get one going each month, thats a small victory in itself, in my opinion. And where does the VOTM winner get posted? I thought it was on the main page of Genvibe, but that page hardly ever gets updated anyway... so do we need a writeup at all?You can find all the VOTM winners in the Gallery section (i.e., if they've sent their pics to Nick & Co.)

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:20 am

Quote, originally posted by ZubenElGenubi Â»You can find all the VOTM winners in the Gallery section (i.e., if they've sent their pics to Nick & Co.)Yes I know, but they are also posted on the main page (the most current).

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:08 am

Is there a way in the zeroforum software to change the member rank for the winners for their month of glory? For example, replace the GenVibe God under Jahntassa's name with MOTM, BlueCrush's with VOTM. Would only have to last for the month, since all glory is fleeting, but it would be one additional way to highlight these winners.

Post by **NSimkins** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:09 am

Good idea, i'll look into updating that now. We'll need to make sure someone reminds me to change it for next month too. Edit: done.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:11 am

Good call, I like!

ZubenElGenubi · Post by **ZubenElGenubi** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:55 am

Great suggestion, joatmon! I see that Nick's already updated BlueCrush's and Jahntassa's member info. That's neat!