Dyno results,*UPDATED* SC+header+catback+WI+CAI

[SoCalVibe]

Ok, I have the snow performance 100 nozzle in and dyno'd today (Dynojet STD) 154whp, 130 ft/lb torque. Heres the kicker. It was way rich on WOT so, just for kicks, disabled the WI. 163whp, 136 ft/lb torque. Spoke with Randall at snow and he recommended 3 turns counter clockwise on the pump regulator and start there. Then, if that doen't do it go another 3 turns clockwise. If that doesn't do it, go back to the beginning (6 turns clockwise) and put the 60 nozzle in. I'll let you guys know after next dyno.mo thread http://www.matrixowners.com/fo...58300

[MadBill]

No flame, but when you say: "...if that doesn't do it..." Doesn't do what?Reducing the water rate won't change the AFR, but any more than just enough to suppress detonation will cost power.Ideally, you would scan for knock activity during each run and dial in just enough water to prevent it, plus some small % for insurance. On the other hand, if there is no knock with the rich AFR and the WI shut off, there is nowhere to go but down, power-wise.

[SoCalVibe]

Quote, originally posted by MadBill »No flame, but when you say: "...if that doesn't do it..." Doesn't do what?Reducing the water rate won't change the AFR, but any more than just enough to suppress detonation will cost power.Ideally, you would scan for knock activity during each run and dial in just enough water to prevent it, plus some small % for insurance. On the other hand, if there is no knock with the rich AFR and the WI shut off, there is nowhere to go but down, power-wise.No flame taken. You are absolutely right, I should say what my goal is, at this point. At this point, my goal is to run the WI so it is not costing me power. So basically 162whp/136tq would "do it". After that, any gains made by WI can be achieved with timing advances, I am not ready to do that until I get the Emanage installed. Thanks for helping me clarify.

[joatmon]

I'm slow, took me a while to figure out WI meant water injectionWhat are the gains from WI compared to the SC without WI? Will the WI help keep your engine from melting like greenfire's did?

[damronjr]

Sweet! Thanks for posting SoCalVibe! Too bad you weren't closer or I'd have been there watching in disbelief!

[Smokin' Rubber]

Quote, originally posted by joatmon »I'm slow, took me a while to figure out WI meant water injectionWhat are the gains from WI compared to the SC without WI? Will the WI help keep your engine from melting like greenfire's did?I think that water injection is one of two things. Its either for chilling the air pumped through the SC which would have the same effect as an intercooler which the SC setup lacks, or its for chilling the exiting gases before they go through the cat (pretty sure I heard someone say this but can't quite remember)

[SoCalVibe]

Here's an awsome article "larry" at matrixowners.com found regarding the dynamics of water injectionhttp://www.aquamist.co.uk/info...n.htm

[tecton]

jesus christ3000$ and this car only gets +40hp +20ft torque

[Faultline]

Quote, originally posted by tecton »jesus christ3000$ and this car only gets +40hp +20ft torqueHey, be nice...its not all about $$ per horse power , nobody looks at the car when they buy it and say "$16,000.00 for 130hp!!!"..Maybe the base line is more like 113whp, so 163 is at least 50hp...AND that puts you in the same league as the GT..around 180 at the crank...anyway he has that much power in his car, and if you add that to the price of the car, i bet it is still a good deal.

[damronjr]

Quote, originally posted by tecton »jesus christ3000$ and this car only gets +40hp +20ft torqueI was talking with my bro-in-law and we were kind of thinking the same thing. I was just thinking he has spent at least well into $4-5000 on all those engine mods(unless he got the TRD S/C which is exactly the same and about $1k cheaper!) and doesn't even have the power that comes stock in most other cars! I mean, it seems like unless you go all out, void any chance of ever using your warranty again, and turbo the Vibe with some internal engine work as well, then you would be better off pulling the 1zz out, throwing it into the ocean, and putting something worthwhile in there with some stock power that can still be seriously upgraded! It's just starting to seem like such a waste to put all that $$$ into an engine that seems so limited from the start and doesn't seem to get very far even after extreme modifications. Just my $0.02. Had I the $$$ I probably would have already put the S/C on and been fine, but watching others and contemplating these things has made me wonder....

[tecton]

yeahi mean this car is funthe awd handles like a dreambut im starting to debate if its worth putting 3000$ into something to get to where i can pass stock minivansand yes i understand that adding 50hp to this car being as light as it is will make it somewhat fasterbut for 2,700$ my dad bought a mint 93 factory supercharged ford tbird w/ 6spd that would smoke the vibe, ****, would smoke alot more than that any day of the weekand you dont have to (removed) with itstarting to believe all the stuff he used to tell me "if you want a sports car, buy a sports car"

[satur9]

if you want 3500 dollars to mean something go turbo.faultline's cranking out more than a stock wrx for probably less cash than buying one.what i will say is gm price on the sc is rediculous. its should cost like 1500 to 2000 $ like jackson racing superchargers

[Mase]

I've driven Faultline's turbo'd Vibe and that thing is the fastest car I've driven so far. Flooring it above 3,000 revs where the turbo spools reminded me of being launched in the Superman roller coaster at 6 Flags! It was an awesome feeling being pinned to the back of my seat. Made my XRS feel about as fast as a Yugo towing a boat though. I think he pumped boost up to 14psi for my drive that night

[SoCalVibe]

For me it's really not about the money. It's my hobby, whether its my Tundra, Nova, or my Vibe, I just enjoy tweakin my cars. I was just sharing my dyno results, ok guys. Although I appreciate them, I don't need the props. I find alot of good info on these boards, you know why? Because people post it so other people can use it for reference. PS. I'm installing my Emanage right now, don't ask me how much I paid for it, but, I'm havin hella fun doing it.-Mark

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[damronjr]

Quote, originally posted by SoCalVibe »For me it's really not about the money. It's my hobby, whether its my Tundra, Nova, or my Vibe, I just enjoy tweakin my cars. I was just sharing my dyno results, ok guys. Although I appreciate them, I don't need the props. I find alot of good info on these boards, you know why? Because people post it so other people can use it for reference. PS. I'm installing my Emanage right now, don't ask me how much I paid for it, but, I'm havin hella fun doing it.-MarkHey, I was never dogging on you. I am the same way, but when I saw your results and started thinking about the $$$ you had to put into to get it where it is now, I was kind of disappointed. All this time I have been wanting to do all the things you have done, and now to see the results afterwards is depressing, that's all. It's like all my dreams were in vain. I know I'll never be able to drop this engine and get anything else, I could surely never afford that, and I'm sure some day down the road I will end up taking the exact same path you did and put most of the same stuff on mine, but it's just disheartening to think of what the outcome will be considering what is available stock in most other cars. I know 1/2 the mods available for the Vibe provide little to sometimes seemingly no performance value, but b/c I love doing it anyways I understand where you are coming from and I spend $$ expecting things that a lot of times I am disapppointed in. Take for example the Progress RSB. I was so happy receiving it and going to install it, and when I took the old one out and looked at them and the steel frame the stick one sits in, I felt like I just wasted $100+ for something that bolted in right where the old one was and seemed to have no value whatsoever, but I am still proud to say I have it. Same with the Megan STB. That thing is the biggest POC I have seen, but I left it in and put it right there in my sig. You see cars available now (that I can never afford!) and hope to match them with all these mods, and then you go and find out what is really happening and it is just disappointing. I was just let down by the numbers. I was seeing big HP running around in my head thinking of the S/C, headers, and all that, and it just didn't play out like I thought it would. Sorry if I offended you, that was never my intentions.

[SoCalVibe]

Quote, originally posted by damronjr »Hey, I was never dogging on you. I am the same way, but when I saw your results and started thinking about the $$$ you had to put into to get it where it is now, I was kind of disappointed. I should have put a in there but it wasn't your comments and I really wasn't offended, just felt like I had to respond as to the spirit of my original post Quote, originally posted by damronjr » All this time I have been wanting to do all the things you have done, and now to see the results afterwards is depressing, that's all.And thats exactly why we post our dyno runs, so everyone knows what theyre getting into Quote, originally posted by damronjr »I was just let down by the numbers. I was seeing big HP running around in my head thinking of the S/C, headers, and all that, and it just didn't play out like I thought it would. Sorry if I offended you, that was never my intentions. Again, it's all good see ? Now how do I wire in that sub injector harnes...? Back to the schematics. hee hee

[NSimkins]

Quote, originally posted by SoCalVibe »And thats exactly why we post our dyno runs, so everyone knows what theyre getting into.. and we definitely appreciate you taking the chance in the mods and funding to find out, and posting your results! It will only help make our resources better for other members considering similar mods to their own vehicles. Thanks again for posting and keep it up!

[Ponyota]

I second that Nick! Without explorers like you SoCal, where would we be? Keep up the good work and keep us updated with your results.

[SoCalVibe]

I'll keep posting, hopefully I can get on the dyno today. Thanks guys.

[SoCalVibe]

Dyno'd today and was able to get the WHP back to 163 and still run the WI, I took out the 100 nozzle and put in the 60 and cranked back the regulator 3 turns from factory setting. Torque still around 137. Thats it for the WI adjustments for now. New thread will be the Greddy install and then do some experimenting without the 5th injector. This things going like 10:1 ratio on the top end. Maybe I can convert the 5th injector to water injection? hee hee, JK one baby step at a time.

[Faultline]

Quote, originally posted by satur9 »if you want 3500 dollars to mean something go turbo.faultline's cranking out more than a stock wrx for probably less cash than buying one.what i will say is gm price on the sc is rediculous. its should cost like 1500 to 2000 $ like jackson racing superchargersPeople need to decide whether or not they care about the warranty for the motor. I decided that it did not matter anymore. I felt that if I broke the motor, I would just get a salvage yard one. My warranty is up in just a few hundred miles, I am at 35000 miles. I dont regreat adding the turbo, since i have enjoyed it for over 2 years now.Yes, I do lose my friends with wrx's at the track, all wheel drive provides great traction, but on a roll....it's over for them. I always pull away (10psi +) !! evry time. great fun I might add. It seems like you can get the the sc with the 5th injector, for around 1700.00. If you are going to go E-manage, that would be the way to go, and be in the price range many of you are citing. If I was going to put a eaton blower on, I would use a m62 instead of the m45. I would also try to do it in a way to add an air to water intercooler as well. Keeping the temps down is key to turning up the boost up and making good power. Mase, I thought we were at 12psi creeping up to 13...(Maybe we did spike at 14!!!) ...great fun I might add !! But that is higher than most say is safe (I dont run it that high daily) The key for running that much into the motor safely on stock internals, is very cool intake temps, and a rich A/F ratio. Dont worry about the warranty guys, just be smart with your modding. !! ...and enjoy gettin pressed back hard in the seat when accelerating...even with 3 people in thecar!!

[BlueCrush]

Throwing out the warranty! That's exactly what I am doing also. I have the GM Supercharger, GReddy Ignition, Injector and pressure sensor harness', GReddy Pressure Sensor, Tranny Cooler, TRD Oil Catch Reservoir and Boost, A/F and Oil Pressure gauges. On the way is the GReddy e-Manage main unit, Water Injection System and Triple Gauge Pillar Pod.I always say if you want to play you have to pay.

[SoCalVibe]

Updated dyno results at http://matrixowners.com/forums...84480

[kharman]

Quote, originally posted by SoCalVibe »Dyno'd today and was able to get the WHP back to 163 and still run the WI, I took out the 100 nozzle and put in the 60 and cranked back the regulator 3 turns from factory setting. Torque still around 137. Thats it for the WI adjustments for now. New thread will be the Greddy install and then do some experimenting without the 5th injector. This things going like 10:1 ratio on the top end. Maybe I can convert the 5th injector to water injection? hee hee, JK one baby step at a time.after all these posts...i'm still going to put ina supercharger as soon as i can afford it...i'll get some more horsepower, and it will look cool...what else matters...?

[kharman]

Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush »Throwing out the warranty! That's exactly what I am doing also. I have the GM Supercharger, GReddy Ignition, Injector and pressure sensor harness', GReddy Pressure Sensor, Tranny Cooler, TRD Oil Catch Reservoir and Boost, A/F and Oil Pressure gauges. On the way is the GReddy e-Manage main unit, Water Injection System and Triple Gauge Pillar Pod.I always say if you want to play you have to pay.so, what kind of performance do you enjoy with your S/C?....

[wolfsburg_de]

Quote, originally posted by SoCalVibe »Updated dyno results at http://matrixowners.com/forums...84480Wow! Great results. It looks like adjusting the A/F really woke it up. Did you get a plot of the old and new A/F?

[Mr. Poopypants]

Nice results!!

[BlueCrush]

Which ECU Patch did you get from Auto Sport Wiring?

[SoCalVibe]

He builds them from scratch, If you need to buy one he has all the schematics now, mine was the first vibe he did. Its almost identical to the matrix and he had done one of those before. It took about a week to get from order date to my door.

[Ponyota]

Impressive numbers guys, keep up the good work...

[Faultline]

Quote, originally posted by SoCalVibe »Updated dyno results at http://matrixowners.com/forums...84480very nice numbers! I clicked on the the thumbnail..I noticed that the top of the chart it says "fly wheel power" ...so is this chart indeed flywheel numbers, or are the wheel HP numbers???

[AKLGT]

Quote, originally posted by tecton »jesus christ3000$ and this car only gets +40hp +20ft torquethat's what i was thinking. even 163 at the wheels..... after that much money, and with all those mods, i'm sure it's well above $3K!

[SoCalVibe]

Quote, originally posted by Faultline »very nice numbers! I clicked on the the thumbnail..I noticed that the top of the chart it says "fly wheel power" ...so is this chart indeed flywheel numbers, or are the wheel HP numbers???You know Faultline thats a good point, I have to say I did not notice that, this dyno does work differently than others. I got 163 whp on the dynojet so, I assumed that the baseline on this dyno (164) was whp. Now I really cant wait to get on the Dynojey on june 18th. There was a slight language barrier with the tuner Danny, but his english is actually pretty good, its possible I misunderstood him. I will definitely get back to you guys on this.

[Mase]

Barry, you should roll with me to SoCalVibe's dyno day in Colton on the 18th. Turn your boost up to 12psi and see what you're getting!

[drunkenmaxx]

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »that's what i was thinking. even 163 at the wheels..... after that much money, and with all those mods, i'm sure it's well above $3K!how much did your vibe gain from the approx 7k you dropped?

[SoCalVibe]

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe »how much did your vibe gain from the approx 7k you dropped?I thought we covered this on page one already. By the way I'm in the business so I dont pay retail on hardly anything. Alot of the parts and services I got from horsetrading, services, parts, and calling in favors, I'm no where near 7k but thats not the point is it? Why do we work? is it to make money to pay our bills or put in a jar. we work to make money which is a vehicle to our dreams.So you have your dreams and goals and I'll have mine, fair enough? Besides, as Dave Chapelle says "IM RICH B1+ch!!!"Still educating myself on these Dyno calculations, will get back...

[Mase]

I personally think it's great to finally see a new power hungry member who's not all talk and can actually act on his dream list.I'd like to see more members like SoCalVibe in the Vibe/Matrix community.

[damronjr]

Quote, originally posted by Mase »I personally think it's great to finally see a new power hungry member who's not all talk and can actually act on his dream list.I'd like to see more members like SoCalVibe in the Vibe/Matrix community.I'd jump right on that boat if I had the $$$! I've spent way more than I should have already and I'm sure there's plenty more to come, but unfortuantely it's alot easier for me to spend lots of little $$$ than it is to spend 1 big $$$$. Sure, I could save, but then my car would be completely stock right now and I am more concerned with how it looks first, then how fast I can go in it. It's just a matter of priorities and the amount of $$$$ you have to blow on something like this at 1 time.

[SoCalVibe]

As far as the dyno differences, this is best I can find out. It really is apples to oranges. The Dynojet calculates HP based on the acceleration of the drum. versus engine speed. The Dyno-pack is a loaded dyno and calculates off of hub speed vs. the load applied and of course gear ratio is a factor as well. I am sure that this is way over simplified but from what I understand, the loaded dyno is a more accurate way to calculate hp & tq. Now, regardless there is no argument about the actual gains. The real question is how do these gains translate into a Dynojet whp figure? I guess we won't find out until I get on the Dynojet on the 18th, anyone wanna join us? I have to say I am embarassed for missing that it was a flywheel figure in the first place, but, thanks for pointing it out, it would have showed up at that dyno meet on the 18th anyways, wouldnt that have been embarassing?

[drunkenmaxx]

dude, im right behind ya. if i had the cash, id have all that crap on my AWD right now!im not one of the haters

[Faultline]

Quote, originally posted by Mase »Barry, you should roll with me to SoCalVibe's dyno day in Colton on the 18th. Turn your boost up to 12psi and see what you're getting!Thanks for the invite!, but the 18th is my wedding anniversery!....and I suppose I could go, but after the dyno meet, I would have to just keep on going!In fact, I am not sure when it would be safe to come back to the desert!.. I do want to know what I kind of power I am making at 12psi +...Maybe next time...