New long life oil....any opinions..see link

[robdog]

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-En....aspx

[Psychobroker]

Quote, originally posted by robdog »http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-En....aspxI've seen this before...oh yeah, it's AMSoil

[MoonDogg]

hey why not the manuel tells you to do oil change ever 7500 miles anyways...

[mojo_jojo]

In the 70's, as a teenager I worked at a local mobil gas station. Our mobil rep that visited every so often would tell us that an oil change of mobil1 was good for 50,000 miles as long as you changed the filter and than topped off at what would be normal oil change intervals. IIRC we even had mobil1 literature taht referenced the 50,000 mile longevity of mobil1.

[ScottS]

Quote, originally posted by MoonDogg »hey why not the manuel tells you to do oil change ever 7500 miles anyways... I plan to take the new mobil1 15,000 mile oil to 7,500 while I'm still under warranty. I'm going to then send a sample into blackstone labs for a used oil analysis. If in comes back fine maybe I'll try for 10,000 (after my warranty is finished).I've done alot of reading at http://www.bobistheoilguy.com, it's a great site to learn more about oil.Here's a link to their message board: http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

[Flip-Side]

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »I've seen this before...oh yeah, it's AMSoil I have been using amsoil in my vibe since it was new. 40k miles and plenty more to go. Though I don't agree with all the amsoil myth and pushy sales tactics, their reporting on mobil has been honest. The truth is with this new line, only the 15,000 mile stuff is really a full synthetic. I would stick with mobil 1 instead of wasting your money on the 5000, and 7500 stuff.http://www.amsoil.com/articles....aspxA close look at ExxonMobil’s new long drain motor oil line reveals that two are petroleum based, one is a synthetic blend and only one, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, is a full synthetic. The petroleum based products are recommended for 5000 mile drains, the synthetic blend for 7500 mile drains and Extended Performance for 15,000 mile drains.

[goodvibe]

Amsoil is kind of correct but blowing a bit of smoke here. The new Mobils actually seem to be good values. The 5000 is group III highly refined petroleum base stock. That's what Castrol has been selling as synthetic for years and is also what Amsoil uses in their XL7500 which they also call synthetic. Funny how Amsoil plays both ends here. The biggest difference is that you can find Mobil 5000 for under $2 and it should actually last 7.5k anyway. The 7500 stuff is grp III and 30% true synth. which is better than what you get from most of the competition in what they call synthetic and can be bought for under $2.50. Obviously the other Amsoils, Redline, Synergyn and Mobil 1 are 100% true synth. It's a shame that a good oil like Amsoil feels they need to use this sort of misleading propaganda. Mobil will never call a GRP III oil synth since they unfortunatley lost in court trying to stop Castrol from marketing GRP III oil as synthetic. Amsoil is using this against Mobil while calling the same base stock a synth in their own product.

[Psychobroker]

Quote, originally posted by goodvibe »Amsoil is kind of correct but blowing a bit of smoke here. The new Mobils actually seem to be good values. The 5000 is group III highly refined petroleum base stock. That's what Castrol has been selling as synthetic for years and is also what Amsoil uses in their XL7500 which they also call synthetic. Funny how Amsoil plays both ends here. The biggest difference is that you can find Mobil 5000 for under $2 and it should actually last 7.5k anyway. The 7500 stuff is grp III and 30% true synth. which is better than what you get from most of the competition in what they call synthetic and can be bought for under $2.50. Obviously the other Amsoils, Redline, Synergyn and Mobil 1 are 100% true synth. It's a shame that a good oil like Amsoil feels they need to use this sort of misleading propaganda. Mobil will never call a GRP III oil synth since they unfortunatley lost in court trying to stop Castrol from marketing GRP III oil as synthetic. Amsoil is using this against Mobil while calling the same base stock a synth in their own product.They're not blowing smoke if they're talking about their 100% synth product:This and their SDF10 filters are the only AMSoil products I currently use, changing both every 10,000-12,500 miles. Maybe I'll swicth to their tranny fluid - can anyone tell me which one to use?

[goodvibe]

No disagreement there. It's good stuff. You just don't get to call something dino when it's called synth in your own product line. I'd use the Long Life 75W-90 Gear Lube. The severe gear 75W-90 oil may have too much anti-friction additive for good synchro action and the Long Life is has plenty of protection and should be fine with yellow metals.

[Flip-Side]

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »This and their SDF10 filters are the only AMSoil products I currently use, changing both every 10,000-12,500 miles. That is exactly what I do too bro. 5w-30 amsoil and 10,000 mile oil changes (sometimes sooner since I do mostly city). I did notice that mobil also has new high efficiency filters as well now. They will most likely perform the same as amsoil super duty filters when it come to filtering contaminents. Both filters use synthetic fiber blends (synthetic and natural fiber mix) instead of 100 percent natural cellulose (paper) media. Looks like mobil has finally caught up, but I'll stick with amsoil. My biggest complaint with the amsoil filter lies in that it is still tiny like OEM filters for the 1zz/2zz. Come on, there is plenty of room for a bigger filter. When I went to buy a filter for my first change, I thought the guy at autozone was kidding when he handed me the smallest filter known to man. If the mobil filter is in fact larger in capacity, I just may switch.Mobil Extended Performance filter infohttp://www.mobiloil.com/USA-En....aspx

[DavidPIL]

Hi Flip-Side et al...I was told a long time ago that you can use a larger filter as long as it threads the same. I thought it to be rather rediculous at how small the GT filter was for 4.8 quarts of oil.When I was first looking for oil filters, a lot of those computer thingies at Wal-Mart or even the books at Auto-Zone didn't have the Vibe listed. I looked up Toyotas and found that the M1-102 was for similar engines. I bought a Similar Fram filter but am now using the K&N HP-1002, though the model specific to the VIbe is the HP 1003. The HP-1002 is slightly wider but seats well on the filter flange. It's also maybe 3/4" longer. As for AMSoil, you could crossreference the K&N HP1002 or Mobil M1-102 to find the one that would work for you.I don't know if it was the increase in filter or the switch from a basic Fram to a more efficient K&N but the engine was a bit quieter after that switch. I've been using the larger filter for well over a year now.Dave

[goodvibe]

You can use an oversize filter but there are 5 things to check. That it's physically possible to fit in the engine bay, bypass valve spec., thread, gasket compatability (thickness) and overall diameter. It's usually not a problem on a Toyota if the filter has a bit larger diameter than stock but always look for leaks after changing to a non-spec filter. A PH3600 is an oversize that should work well and is over an inch longer(4.75"). You can cross to your favorite brand. I don't like Fram. Case size doesn't always relate to the amount of media inside. Some filters just have more empty space.