Fuel mapping info.

BLAQJAQ · Post by **BLAQJAQ** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:42 am

I was hoping that some of you folks can help me find all information for fuel mapping for the 1zz motor in my base vibe. Currently we are researching for application of a Vortech supercharger to this motor.The hope is that this motor can with stand 6-10lbs of boost while delivering the air at 800 cfm.If you have any links or references I would appreciate the help!

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:32 am

Damn I forgot who.... I believe faultline had his running as high as 12? Not for long though.

BLAQJAQ · Post by **BLAQJAQ** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:43 am

lol..not surprised..me and my mechanic guess rt now that a max of 10lbs of boost will work on 1zz motor with 800cfm air flow. Normaly I think the TRD supercharger moves air at only 600cfm forcing the engine to run hotter.Most folks don't realize the difference especially the guys who favor turbo induction. You are already forcing hot air (exhaust gas) back into the motor at such high boost but without the ability to force cooler denser air into the motor could only mean trouble!

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:46 am

Here you go you can get some idea what he has done.http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=11193

futseal04 · Post by **futseal04** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:57 pm

Quote, originally posted by BLAQJAQ Â»Most folks don't realize the difference especially the guys who favor turbo induction. You are already forcing hot air (exhaust gas) back into the motor at such high boost but without the ability to force cooler denser air into the motor could only mean trouble!You don't put exhaust gas back into the intake with a turbo. the latent heat energy from the exhaust drives an impeller which takes ambient air and forces it into the intake. Because the air is compressed when it goes through the turbo it then heats up. That is why you put an intercooler in.....to bring intake temps down and reduce the chance of detonation. You can also use an intercooler in S/C apps as well for the same problem.Also be REALLY careful when fuel mapping. If you get to lean then you will definately blow a hole in a piston....and that is big bucks to fix.

BLAQJAQ · Post by **BLAQJAQ** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:49 pm

Thanks for the information, should definately help!

teammonkeys · Post by **teammonkeys** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:13 am

OK.. How do you put an intercooler on the TRD supercharger? I don't have the imagination to see it work or happen.

satur9 · Post by **satur9** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:21 am

you cant put a intercooler on a trd supercharger.thats why people are using water injection.as for fuel maps good lokk with that mabey monkeywrenchracing can help you .staffords fuel system just ups fuel pressure per pound of boost.like i lbs boost=5 psi raised fuel pressure(theses are made up numbers) and the stock map is left alone.there is a little adjustability.but you not doing any real "mapping" it works though and i believe someone on http://www.newcelica.com is selling this fuel setup.or you can go to stafford himself. if you gonna try and tune using piggybacks or standalones id let the pros like monkeywrench handle that.they know how to tune 1zz and 2zz better than anyone else i could reccomend.

drayday55 · Post by **drayday55** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:58 pm

i am using "liquid intercooling" on my trd s/c watermeth injection. it works grreat. its from snowperformance.net

futseal04 · Post by **futseal04** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:33 pm

You can put an intercooler on any S/C, it is just a matter of space, and apparently there isn't a lot of spare room left in the Vibe. But, if someone has the money, I guarantee a way can be found.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:25 pm

Quote, originally posted by BLAQJAQ Â»I was hoping that some of you folks can help me find all information for fuel mapping for the 1zz motor in my base vibe. Currently we are researching for application of a Vortech supercharger to this motor.The hope is that this motor can with stand 6-10lbs of boost while delivering the air at 800 cfm.If you have any links or references I would appreciate the help!go to newcelica.org , in the F/I section, or spyderchat.com in the performance section. AT newcelica.org , do a serch on celicauk, he has not posted for awhile, but he is with an outfit called Japspeed racing in england. they have a 1zz kit with a centrifugal SC, but it is not a vortech...I forget what. Do a search especially at spyderchat, because I think that people have posted their maps over there. My set up uses the stock ecu. The sf fuel set up raises fuel pressure like an FMU, but it is made to work on our returnless system. I also have a black box that interupts the MAF signal , so that i can trim fuel, as i run richer otherwise. All i have done is make sure that my a/f ratios are at 11.5:1 when going into boost, the motor runs like stock befor boost. I have not changed the timing. The stock ecu still runs that. I do not know what air cfm thru the motor is ,off hand. I am running 9 psi mostly right now , and i have a 9x19x3 IC...I am confused though, are you boosting the 1zz , or a 2.2 ecotec swap???

BLAQJAQ · Post by **BLAQJAQ** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:19 am

Well the first goal is to supercharge the 1zz with the vortech application. But my tuner has concerns about the internal of the motor being able to handle the vortech supercharger. The vortech delivers air at 800 cfm. As compared to trd which I believe maxs out at 600cfm. Which means there are various factors that we will have to take into account ie reliabilty.My tuner is more gunho about doing an engine swap because of the issues surrounding reliablity. The 2.2 smoothly accepts the vortech without much headaches.We have concerns about the tranny being able to handle the torque. Most cars have more torque than horsepower, but the Vibe/Matrix is a bit backwards more horsepower than torque.Anyway i'm not as technical as I would like to be in my explanation. But if comes to mating the 1zz with Vortech Supercharger we got to be sure of all possibilities.But thanks for the links on the information.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:32 pm

trannies in this power train have been know to let go running over 250whp ...The rods are fairly thin in this motor, but have held up for me...Are you going to intercool the air??..I think you will be fine with your 800cfm.

BLAQJAQ · Post by **BLAQJAQ** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:39 pm

Oh for sure we will be intercooling the air. I don't think for this application not to to do it would be stupid.

sfturbo · Post by **sfturbo** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:24 pm

actually the trd sc only moves about 280-320 cfm600 cfm would be enough to suport around 300+ hpfaultlines kit at 10 psi moves about 380-420 cfm and puts around 230 to the ground

BLAQJAQ · Post by **BLAQJAQ** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:02 pm

Hey all the info you guys have been giving me has been great.I was wondering if anyone has access to skematics for the 1zz?

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