The evils and pleasantries of drugs discussion (Contd.)

[Merzbow]

Yeah you're right....I almost wasted the info. I learned in hisory class (removed).Yeah I wish more kids would have my attitude also because I'm losing alot of friends! I don't even want to be around them anymore because they are allways f*cked up so what's the point of talking to them if they can't understand you to begin with?

[Stang2Vibe]

I hear that. I was very lucky that I had some good clean friends all through Jr. High and High School. We didn't even drink. No cigarettes, nothing. So it wasn't really that hard for us to stay clean.

[mwebb]

Well I do not think Alcohol or cigarettes will ever be illegal due to the amount of money it generates each year. I wont go inot thatI am proud to say that I have been drug free for almost two years now. It changed my life- I try to convinve my friends that have not seen me in a while that it was the best choice I have ever made (they still use regularly) but it is near impossible to doFor all of you out there that have never used drugs...Dont start it is the smartest choice you can make

[joatmon]

Latvian Cannabis Butter http://www.taipeitimes.com/New...38057Quote »"I love it, especially like my grandma used to make," ... "miracle of taste and flavor."..."Mmm, the taste is heavenly,"

[Stang2Vibe]

Great. What's next? Cocaine Crispies? LSD Lollipops?

[mwebb]

nothing beats an LSD lolipop

[threekrows]

or a POT pie.I dunno..I've been on both sides of the debate.it's all about self control and responsibility.Some of us have these traits,some don't.

[Fialchar]

Merzbrow, if you're losing friends simply because you're not in the drug scene, then they're not very good friends It doesn't matter to me if a person is a pothead, a practitioner of sobriety/abstinence, or w/e, a friend is a friend.

[Merzbow]

I'm not losing them because I am not in teh drug crowd, about 9/10 of my friends do anything from weed to acid. It's the fact that they do them so much they arn't really alive anymore so I just stop hanging out with them because all they do is sit there like a corpse...

[cohocarl]

Saw this story today and thought of this thread:http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...al_dc

[scherry2]

"Claims about the dangers of cannabis are often overstated," according to editorialist Dr. Franjo Grotenhermen of the Nova-Institut GmbH, Germany. I've been saying that for years.

[drunkenmaxx]

hell, in the '30s they used to say that smoking cannabis caused, are you ready for this? psycosis! (sp?)

[Faultline]

Quote, originally posted by Merzbow »I'm not losing them because I am not in teh drug crowd, about 9/10 of my friends do anything from weed to acid. It's the fact that they do them so much they arn't really alive anymore so I just stop hanging out with them because all they do is sit there like a corpse...After reading this whole thread, I find the drug induced ruin of Merzbow's social life-his anecdotal citings- to be a down to earth example of why drug use is somewhat tragic.I am 40 ys old now, but my recollections of youth are a similar story. I lost some great friends in Highschool just because they spun out of control into excess. The funny thing is, is that if marijuana was made legal, it would still be illegal for minors, and I wonder how that scene would change. It seems that alot of us have a "i was a crazy youth" story, but the transition to adulthood sobered us to a more resposnsible life style.For some this is abstenance , and for other it is moderation,and it would seem that the latter is not an option for the addicted. I realize ,too, that not every casual user started with a "crazy" stage.As far as legality is concerned, perhaps the compromise is to make it a "states" issue rather than federal law. That way you may choose whether you want to live in "Potifornia", or instead , "Nohio".There are laws already that seem to have a moral spearhead of " saving us from ourselves" both indivdually and collectively: prostitution, gambling, and drug use are among them..To the libertarian, this is repulsive, but most of us are common sense pragmatist , more than we are idealists, and are glad that we dont live next door to a brothel , or a casino (nevada anyone?) and we dont want to live in the town "Drughaven" either. what about "Speedtana" ? Is it true than Montana has some highways with no speed limits???

[millster]

Not to go too far off topic...Quote, originally posted by Faultline »Is it true than Montana has some highways with no speed limits???No. Montana abolished the speedlimit for a short time but it's back now.

[Merzbow]

yeah...I did a debate on the legalization of Mari-Jane in speech class. Some of the facts are interesting, but you are right, I believe it would stil be illegal for kids just like cigarettes. I personally think the hype would die down in about a year or so. They would need to produce some sort of "driving while under the influence" law just like alcohol since they have almost the same affects. Besides, with the availibility of it now in our schools don't you think if they really wanted to do it they already would be smoking it?You could give me money tomorow morning before school and I could buy you ANY drug you want except for maybe Ketamine, and have it to you by about 5pm without leaving a 30 mile diameter. Pretty rediculous.

[Fialchar]

Alchohol and marijuana have completely different effects, actually. I would never drive under the influence of alchohol due to the prohibition of the senses, delayed reactions, and impaired judgement that comes with the drinks. With marijuana, the high is different based on many things: The type of weed, your mood when smoking it, whether you're alone or with friends, it can actually help you focus MORE than when you're sober.IMHO, driving and talking on a cell phone is more dangerous than driving after smoking a joint. The other day I saw a woman making a turn (I was at a red light) while talking on a cell phone. In the middle of the turn, she sees someone she knows and waves with her other hand - which made the car swerve directly at mine and nearly hit me head on. When it comes to driving one of the most important factors is common sense.

[Merzbow]

The symptoms of alcohol and marijuana ARE fairly similar from what 've experienced. They both impair judgement, senses, coordination and reaction time. The only difference is the degree in which they are experienced. Each has other effacts of their own but those ones are the same for the most part.With regaurds to cell phones, I HATE them with a passion. When ever my mom calls me while I'm driving I either ignore it or tell her to wait until I get home because I don't want to talk while I'm driving. All those people that b/s with their friends on the phone while driving....why can't you just wait until you get home or until you see them in school the next day!

[scherry2]

Quote, originally posted by Merzbow »I don't smoke anymore and I'm proud becuase now in high school it is d*mn near impossible to find someone that doesn't do some kind of drug. excuse me, but am I misunderstanding or are you saying you smoked pot before high school?

[scherry2]

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 »Now, I have a question and it is only for opinions, not slander.For parents who use drugs, what do you think about your children using them too? Do they even know about you using drugs?I'll be the first: living thru the "age of aquarius' all i do is smoke pot now. my son is 11 he doesn't know I smoke and I wouldn't approve of him getting high untill he is 18. ( just like I did ) I think an education is more important first.I will tell him at age 16 (unless he catches me first )

[Merzbow]

My dad smokes. I found a couple of his bowls layin around lol. I don't mind though, that's probably why he's never yelled at me for anything in my whole life.I started smoking in 7th grade. It wasn't because of my dad, since my parents are divorced. It was just availible to me so I tried it, and continued until about September of last year. It isn't addictive, I don't know why people say it is.When I said "now in high school" I meant now as in this generation of kids.

[scherry2]

Quote, originally posted by Merzbow »When I said "now in high school" I meant now as in this generation of kids. Ooh

[Fialchar]

Merzbow, you know me so you know this isn't a negative post towards you or anything. You said you've never drank alchohol before, so please take my word for it: For me at least, alchohol is a much more impairing drug than pot. Some people aren't even able to walk or stand up after drinking, while I've never seen someone that high from pot. There's never been an overdose from marijuana because you can't OD on it. I think that the world would be better if Alchohol and Marijuana were to switch legalities. Alchohol can cause violence, as seen in any bar across the nation, whereas pot calms a person down into a more relaxed or chilled out state. I take it your dad must not smoke it as often as your past acquintinces, because you mentioned that you stopped hanging out with them because they just layed around and did nothing, whereas you don't have such a problem with your father? Again, this isn't a negative post or anything against you, just raising some points in our conversation.

[Merzbow]

Yea I get it Makes sense. I think they should be switched also. I hate drunk people.I'm not sure how much my dad smokes but he still does stuff...he is really good at guitar and we play video games and work on cars and bikes and stuff. I think the fact that my friends would go around and brag about it like "dude I'm so blown out" that was probably the most anoying part about it.

[Fialchar]

I hear ya, there's also the people that do drugs then pass out, and that's about all that they do day-to-day. I guess it more or less boils down to the common sense of the individual. It's cool your dad still does stuff with you.About the parent thing, I'm not a parent yet, but if/when I DO have a kid, I wouldn't mind if they smoked pot once they reached a certain age as long as they were holding things together, like keeping their grades B's or above, and working at a steady job. Also, I'd prefer them to smoke at the house rather than out in public where they would have a higher chance of getting caught, or a higher chance of trying other more potent drugs. Responsibility and common sense is a must.

[Merzbow]

I was just going to suggest that. My friends dad will buy him all the alcohol he wants as long as he drinks at his house and not someone else's. I wont mind weed either as long as my kid does what you said, but if he/she starts smoking cigarettes I'm going to beat their @$$.

[Fialchar]

Same, I'd much rather have a 16 year old son smoking weed in my house, than having him drinking or smoking cigarettes.

[drunkenmaxx]

el dijo que no fuma. ¡dijo que le permite a su niño cuando tiene 16 años!¡viva la mota!

[Merzbow]

ja, es ist sehr prima. Meine Mutti hast keine anung.

[Fialchar]

Yeah, my parents (Dad/stepmom) know I smoke pot, although my stepmom isn't too happy about it. My dad said he'd rather me wait until after college so I can focus better on my grades, but I'm an A/B student so he doesn't mention it.