'05 GT/XRS hits lift at 6800??

[Psychobroker]

If so, that would SUCK : http://www.matrixowners.com/mo...27338

[Evanshall]

are they trying to kill the legacy of the vibe? i hope the redline would be higherkinda the oppisite of the S2000, from 2001-2003, and then in 2004, were as it still hits at 6k, but the 2001 and 2003 could carrie all the way to 9000, but supposidly (atleast in the S2s case) the hit is alot stronger, but only carries to shorter redline at about 8200also keep in mind the Tourqe on the 2005 model is at 4400, thats were we loose alot of power actually if you look at the power band, so in general the engine is completly different, ill wait and hope theres a good reason for this besides EPA

[Mavrik]

if it hits lift at 6800rpm but can go to 8000rpm then I don't see the problem. where does your lift start at? 6000?

[Evanshall]

i think they mean it hits lift at 6800, i sereisly think that this engine might be good, just not as dependent on power from lift as our previeus 2ZZs, i think we would all have to see the dyno to be sure though, the tourqe looks alot better(@4400RPMs, still about 130)i wouldnt be suprised if people consider this a better daily driver, even if the old 2zz was a better race engine, change is always fun, i hope somebody cracks the Lift code and allows us to change it to like 5500 or something, because this high end stuff is rediculous (but fun )

[Psychobroker]

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik »if it hits lift at 6800rpm but can go to 8000rpm then I don't see the problem. where does your lift start at? 6000?Lift on the '03 and '04 GT's begin at 6200 RPMs, so that's 600 RPM's sooner...much better than 6800! Imagine trying to stay in lift through your 1-2 or 2-3 shifts when it doesn't start until 6800..gah! It's already hard enough!The Elise's 2ZZ hits lift at 5800, so we need to find out what controls it's lift and figure out how to adapt it to ours

[ebslopp]

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »Lift on the '03 and '04 GT's begin at 6200 RPMs, so that's 600 RPM's sooner...much better than 6800! Imagine trying to stay in lift through your 1-2 or 2-3 shifts when it doesn't start until 6800..gah! It's already hard enough!The Elise's 2ZZ hits lift at 5800, so we need to find out what controls it's lift and figure out how to adapt it to ours Who wants to buy the Elise so we can disect it!?!? lol Maybe if we each chip in a few bucks, we can buy one as a group.Actually, I bet that once the Elise hits the market, there will be some people or magazine that will take on the Elise as a project car. Then we can find out what our engines can do givin the right parts and code.

[Evanshall]

i know this sounds crazy, but maybe its not electronics, maybe the actual camshaft is involved in the timing, supposidly the elise has a differet cam, either that or somebodies making a performance cam for it, i mean a camshaft could deffenetly mess up numbers like this, and being its the key factor in Lift, as its the part being shifted around, wouldnt it make sence that the cam is diferent, whatever the difference, I WANT IT!

[ebslopp]

Quote, originally posted by Evanshall »i know this sounds crazy, but maybe its not electronics, maybe the actual camshaft is involved in the timing, supposidly the elise has a differet cam, either that or somebodies making a performance cam for it, i mean a camshaft could deffenetly mess up numbers like this, and being its the key factor in Lift, as its the part being shifted around, wouldnt it make sence that the cam is diferent, whatever the difference, I WANT IT!If that's the case, it sure would be an easy upgrade!

[nismo]

Well, my brother and I drove the Corolla XRS, and lift kicked in at bout 6500. The redline is still 8200. I think that was the redline before also. Inder Singh

[Evanshall]

ya but how was its low end, and is this "No bottle, All throttle" comment really nessasary , i didnt see that in your sig until just this morning maybe im just being paranoid, but...... you dont like the juice at all do you?

[satur9]

actually it is computer controlled,the power fc can raise and lower lift engagement. monkeywrench fooled around with it a little.im sure the lotus has more tuning changes(and possibly parts) to make the lower lift point more benifecial than monkeywrench did. i have nitrous and wasnt offended buy that sig ,its just mean his car is slower than mine.j/k.

[Evanshall]

lol, i wasnt offended just fooling around opinions are welcome, especially original ones at thatif i read right Power FC can as well raise the Redline to 8600+, some guy at Newcelica said he was shifting at 8600 when he ran a low low 14 second run, that could be fun, well for me, maybe not the engine

[goodvibe]

I don't think that the lotus hits lift at 5800 but won't drop out until then so that you can hold lift on shifts.

[Evanshall]

im confused (yes again) sooo, the lotus will not hit lift until say 6200, then once it hits lift it will stay in lift unless you go below 5800, that would be odd, but eitherway it would make sence as tahts about were 2nd gear(atleast with our gearboxes) seems to drop to after shifting at about 8200

[Dezz1]

I totally agree. I tend to always fall out of my lift range between second and third because I cannot shift between the two gears quick enough. Imagine keeping the shifts above 6800, the tach descent is too rapid. BTW, if you are planning on running against someone, do it in the evening, the air is much cooler, and the lift packs a harder punch. Try it.

[Dezz1]

Remember, same engine, different computer setup, different vehicle weight, different aerodynamics. Possibly, different gear ratios. If the engineers want the lift to hit at 5800, then they can do it. My ultimate mod would be to have the lift set at 5500. Last week I ran against a Type-R, and it seemed as if it took forever for the lift kick in. I yearned for the extra boost as I waited with anticipation . Everything went in slow motion. When it hit, the thunder showed no mercy.

[Dezz1]

Its all about tuning young man. Same engine, different computer setup, different vehicle weight (Lotus), possibly, different tranny ratio. I wish I could set my lift at 5500, whenever I run against someone, it takes forever to hit lift. However, the anticipation of reaching it is quite rewarding. I call this event, the "Sledge Hammer Effect," because you will bust the heck out of your opponent when they believe they have you.BTW, the VIBE runs better at night. You will really notice the lift difference, compared to daytime hours.

[Kissfan79]

How did it end up against the Type R....just out of curiosity? I assume we are talking about an Integra Type R.....correct?Jim

[Dezz1]

Yes, the Integra Type-R, and yes, as soon as the lift kicked in I pulled away from him, and all I saw were headlights in my side mirror. The trick was to keep my tach above 6300 between shifts. BTW, I could be wrong but I could have sworn that he had lift also. I am saying this because I heard a sudden scream pour from his engine, and he began to pull away, but when my lift finally hit, I caught up, passed, and continued to pull away. After five car lengths, its considered a win in my book.

[Dezz1]

I was going home one afternoon about 3 weeks ago, and I looked in my rearview mirror and I saw a yellow car ridding my behind, I was already driving 90 mph. I said to myself, "let me show this trick what time it is," so I droped it to establish my lift. As I looked in the mirror, the yellow car was still on my rear sticking like velcro to a toupee. I pushed the Vibe even harder, and the little yellow machine would not let go of my rear. He flashed his lights and honked his horn, signaling to me that he is preparing to make a pass. The horn is what got my attention. It sound familiar. He pulled up beside me, and we were doing about 115 by this time. It was a freaking Farrari. He blew his horn once again, and gunned it. His engine screamed like Traci Lords doing an orgy scene with ten other women. After that Farrari past me I think I had two orgasms, and wood that lasted for days.

[Psychobroker]

Quote, originally posted by Dezz1 »Yes, the Integra Type-R, and yes, as soon as the lift kicked in I pulled away from him, and all I saw were headlights in my side mirror. The trick was to keep my tach above 6300 between shifts. BTW, I could be wrong but I could have sworn that he had lift also. I am saying this because I heard a sudden scream pour from his engine, and he began to pull away, but when my lift finally hit, I caught up, passed, and continued to pull away. After five car lengths, its considered a win in my book. Try shifting closer to redline (8200), then simply nail that 2-3 shift to land in lift. Installing a set of brass shifter cable bushings will help speed up your shifts a bit too.Oh, and was it a REAL Type-R i.e. JDM, or just a rebadge? Oh2 - vtec

[goodvibe]

Dropping lift below 5800 would just slow us down, The motor actually makes less power on the hot cam below that point. Raising the fuel cut is the way to go. Lotus uses the same gear box and tweeked the ecu. They're not concerned about mileage etc.

[Dezz1]

Whoa, 8200!! Isn't that pushing it a little too far. I become a little wimp when I begin to see red. In addition, if I tach it beyond my optimum HP and Torque, I am just wasting power. However, I will take your suggestion under advisement (changing to brass shifter cable bushings), I am sure that will help. I am not really sure, but the badge and placement seemed to be factory and not aftermarket. By the way do you have any more suggestions. Recently, I ran a flexible alluminum pipe from the lower front grill to short ram bay area. I did not do this to force induction, only to cool off that area so that the short ram wold suck in cooler air. I feel the difference, and not a bad cheap mod for a dollar.Hit Me Back

[Dezz1]

what do you mean by fuel cut?

[Dezz1]

True, rediculous but it is fun getting there.

[goodvibe]

Fuel cut is where the ecu stops gas from flowing into the cylinders to limit rpm. The 2zz breathes well enough to make power as high as your willing to take it and barely drops after 7600 rpm.