Aux/Line level input into standard CD radio?

johnsoax · Post by **johnsoax** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:16 pm

Quote, originally posted by dsegundo Â»What about us 2004 GT owners that have a M&T package but just have the 1 CD player in-dash? Still not working?The M&T and GT doesn't matter, It is still the same radio.

johnsoax · Post by **johnsoax** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:17 pm

Quote, originally posted by Jahntassa Â»Johnsoax is absolutely right, you need the GM 12-pin adapter for the PIE to work. And he's also right that it'll ONLY work with the NAV system.Actually all of the Radios have a 12-pin GM connector.

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:18 am

Quote, originally posted by johnsoax Â»Actually all of the Radios have a 12-pin GM connector.Yes..true..but I said the PIE will only work with the Nav system. It'll plug into the others, but it won't work with them..

johnsoax · Post by **johnsoax** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:47 pm

Sorry to bring up an old topic.My friend is bringing another reprogramed radio this weekend to try to get an Aux input working with an unactivated XM box. I will let you guys know what happens.

cdFxer · Post by **cdFxer** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:13 pm

Heyyy, sounds cool. Post the firmware if you can. I have the capability to program almost anything.

faygolovinjuggalo · Post by **faygolovinjuggalo** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:57 pm

Well i have some good news for you guys... I think i have found your parts.... i am going to list 3 different part #'s. 2 of these part numbers do reguire that you have a slave unit to make this work... The last part # is the one that i am 99.9% positive will work. Its so new that i cant get the instructions for it yet. but i will post the instructions for the other 2. All these parts are made by one of the best when it comes to stuff like this.. I use this company to bypass factory security systems for remote starts. they are called peripheral. The first part number is PXGM9. Here is a link to the instructions on this part http://peripheralelectronics.c...1.pdf The secong would be the PXGM12 and the instructions for this part are at http://peripheralelectronics.c...2.pdf and last but not least the most important one. This is the last one check it out.. this is the press release about the PXGM24 http://aampofamerica.com/2002/...ID=27 I am going to try and contact them monday morning to make sure it will work.. and here is their main webpage for your viewing. http://www.peripheralelectronics.com So if any one gets ahold of one of these and it works let me know..

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:17 am

Well..the first one won't work because the Vibe radios use the 12 pin wiring harness. The second will work for the NAV system, because it has the slave CD Changer. And the third, if i'm reading right, won't work with the Vibe at all."the Peripheral Electronics PXGM24 is the industryâ€™s first stand alone auxiliary input for GM Class2 vehicles. " We have the 24 pin harness, true, but the Vibe isn't running GM's Databus system. According to the documentation, the stock radios only use one pin or two on the 12 pin harness.It might work with the 2004's, because they have the XM capability, but the 2003's would still be out of luck, unless johnsoax's friend was successful with the firmware..

faygolovinjuggalo · Post by **faygolovinjuggalo** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:24 am

guess we will just have to wait until monday when they are open and ask the tech department

johnsoax · Post by **johnsoax** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:56 am

It didn't work 1. It had the fix for the "buzzing" white noise, unfortunately, we could get absolutely no sound out of the radio.2. It STILL didn't recognize the XM box.Back to the drawing board again.The most frustrating thing is that my friend isn't the one writing the firmware, its one of his co-workers that works on the Vibe/Matrix Product line.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:02 am

So wait, are you saying there's a fix for the noise problems?Or are you saying that it fixed the noise problems by completely eliminating all sound?

faygolovinjuggalo · Post by **faygolovinjuggalo** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:17 am

Ok, I called peripheal today. I spoke with their technical support. They said that the PXGM24 will work with pontiac vibe. It does NOT require the slave unit to run cause it is data bus. It isn't on the market yet. He told me that it would be available at the end of this week. if you have any more questions about it call 727-572-9255 ext 230. This solves everyones dilema.

faygolovinjuggalo · Post by **faygolovinjuggalo** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:51 am

Another update.... I made another phone call.. PXGM24's came in today at the distrubator. Mine is on order, They told me that they are selling like crazy. If you want one contact Vance at Auto Outfitters in Noblesville, In @ 317-770-7540. He ordered mine. Right now I am using a FM modulator to run my tv's so I will post how it works when it gets here

cohocarl · Post by **cohocarl** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:56 am

Quote, originally posted by faygolovinjuggalo Â»Mine is on order, They told me that they are selling like crazy.How much are they getting for them if I may ask?

faygolovinjuggalo · Post by **faygolovinjuggalo** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:56 am

honestly i am not sure.... if you call vance he will be able to tell you... i didn't ask him....

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:06 am

Quote, originally posted by faygolovinjuggalo Â» It does NOT require the slave unit to run cause it is data bus. What makes them say this?Last I checked, the Vibe was not built with the DataBus system...

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:42 am

The Vibe does not use the GM Databus system at all. And according to the schematics that Mike sent me from the service manual, there's no provision for databus either.But again, give it a shot. Also, call them up and ask them if the part will work with the Toyota Matrix. If they say yes, then it could work. If they say no, then it's not going to work, because the Matrix uses the same wiring.

faygolovinjuggalo · Post by **faygolovinjuggalo** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:20 pm

its ordered so it should be here by the end of the week and we will find out... i will keep you informed.

MattyG · Post by **MattyG** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:42 pm

Have we figured it out?I've been in contact with autotoys.com and they have a part that works in 2004 Vibes... they say *all* 2004 vibes, but I'm guessing by the discussion of this topic that not all 04 Vibe radios (single CD, 6 disc in-dash or nav systems) are not all the same, considering the inclusion of XM radio later in the MY.I'm ready to go buy a new HU, just so I can use my iPod on the system. For whatever reason the vibe has a lot of radio noise so the little attachment for the iPod (the iTrip) produces a lot of static unless I put my hand over top of it and use myself as an antenna. Or maybe it's just the antenna placement on the Vibe that makes it so noisy.Ok. I've rambled on enough. Give us an update!

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:08 pm

Isn't Alpine making an iPod interface? Someone is... You can just plug in the data connector and it brings audio AND Controls to the headunit... That might be something to investigate for you Matty.

ALi3N · Post by **ALi3N** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:53 pm

Ok, i am entering this discussion now cuz i want to add an aux input. i dont care about HU control i just want the RCA jacks. I have the NAV and changer. I hope someone can come up with a solid answer to this soon.

johnsoax · Post by **johnsoax** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:31 am

Since you have the Nav and the CD Changer, you can use the Pie adapter.

spoonman · Post by **spoonman** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:45 am

Greetings ALL!! Just wanted to make my first post.... I hav e to say I just LOVE this site. I have learned A LOT about my Vibe and have gotten some cool ideas of how to do various things and how to take apart most of the interior now. Anyway, enough of my rambling...Here is a link to what I put in my Vibe for an AUX in. http://www.crutchfield.com/S-S...avf=NIt works pretty well with my iPod. Even at it's "highest" setting, the audio is still kinda quiet. I just BLAST the radio more to compensate the difference!!! You will also need to get the antenna adapters to plug it all in. It does sound MUCH better than any FM transmitter as it is coneected directly to the antenna port on the radio. It also "disconnects" the actual antenna when activated to prevent any interference from near by stations. Now to find a good way to mount the iPod... (And yes, I have been searching the forums already )Hope you find that helpful.Vern

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:56 am

Yes, the NAV system is the only one that can get a TRUE AUX in.Spoonman! Welcome to GenVibe! That is a good idea, however, most of us are looking for a directly connected aux input. However, that JVC piece you pointed out might be a better FM Modulator than what most people are currently using, so thanks for pointing it out!Again, welcome!

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:10 am

Yep, welcome aboard, spoonman...I didn't know they made an FM modulator like you've got. That's pretty neat, connecting directly to the antenna.

spoonman · Post by **spoonman** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:34 am

Thanks for the warm welcome!! I have been "lurking" for a little while now, but found a thread that I might actually be able to help someone with. Also an FYI on that FM modulator, I can say that part of the problem with the "quiet" audio is due to the device I am hooking up to it. I have learned both my iPod and my MD player both have a pretty low audio output. I had the same results with my Blazer using a tape adapter before I installed a different HU in it. Of course, not 6 months after that, I got tired of putting gas in it and traded it of for my Vibe. Haven't looked back since...... Anyway, I would say the FM modulator I installed, sound quality wise, is comparable to the tape adapter route. Just my 2 cents...

tau166 · Post by **tau166** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:13 am

As a follow up to Spoonman, I actually installed the exact same FM modulator (also aquired from Crutchfield) about 3 weeks ago. I have similar comments. At maximum gain it is still a little quieter than the radio, but otherwise sounds great. There is absolutley no static from the FM signal like you get with the iTrip. The JVC unit was nice because it has an auto-on feature whereas some other FM modulators require a turn-on lead which you don't have with an iPod. The only complaint I have is that when I plug my iPod in to charge through the cigarette lighter adapter (Belkin brand) I get some ground noise through the radio. So, in summary:the JVC FM modulator is greatthe belkin power supply sucksP.S. Installation was cake. Just pull the radio. Tap power and ground off the back of the radio for the JVC unit. Wire the modulator inline with the antenna. Put back together. Took maybe an hour or so.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:21 am

Quote, originally posted by tau166 Â»The only complaint I have is that when I plug my iPod in to charge through the cigarette lighter adapter (Belkin brand) I get some ground noise through the radio. Tau:Have you tried installing a ground loop isolator in between the JVC and the car?

tau166 · Post by **tau166** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:55 am

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish Â»Tau:Have you tried installing a ground loop isolator in between the JVC and the car?No. The question is should it be installed between the JVC unit and the car or between the Belkin charger and the car?In reality this isn't much of an issue because the iPod battery last so long I don't really have to charge it very often.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:01 am

Tough call. Why not do it between both. Use one isolator, and connect the output power leads of it to both the radio harness and the JVC harness...If you're pulling both off the same circuit anyway, no harm done.

cduchon · Post by **cduchon** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:32 pm

hey faygolovinjuggalo....Did you get your PXGM24? Peripheral announced that it's available but they don't show the Vibe/Matrix in the Master Catalog.... makes me wonder if it really will work in the Vibe.....

themrfreeze · Post by **themrfreeze** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:00 am

Hey all.Just wanted to verify some info posted into this thread regarding the PIE GM-AUX12 adapter.It does *not* work in 2004 Vibes with the base "Pontiac 100" AM/FM/CD headunit (the one without a 6-disc changer. PIE states that it's compatible with 2004 Vibes with the "XM Satellite/RDS ready headunit", but it is NOT.The interesting thing is that (during attempted installation) I connected my iPod to the GM-AUX12 and had it playing a song. I reconnected the car's battery, turned on the radio, and it came up as AUX1 *playing my song* for about 2 seconds, then switched to FM. Neither the CD/AUX button or the BAND button allowed me to get back to the AUX1 input. It appears that the firmware in the headunit reloads after it's lost all power, but until that happens, the AUX1 input actually works. Sigh.

ImaMachead · Post by **ImaMachead** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:12 am

Do you suppose it would work on the head unit WITH the 6 disk changer? Mine is equipped that way. I might be interested in buying the adaptor if so... Also, how tough is it to pop the unit outa the dash? I expect there are some instructions here somewhere? Got a new 15 G ipod and would love to be able to just jack it in instead of using the FM transmitter.

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:28 am

No..it'll only work with the Navigation system with the external 6 disc changer. I believe, as of now, there is no AUX input solution to the other systems other than FM Modulators.To remove the radio, gently pull up on the underside of the radio trim, then angle it out 45 degrees, and pull. You need to pop out the A/C controls on the back, you can use a screwdriver to gently pry at the top and bottom, and it pulls out the back. The two buttons and the passenger airbag light just unplug. Then, there're four 10mm nuts holding the radio in. Remove these, and you should be good to go.

ImaMachead · Post by **ImaMachead** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:37 am

Shoot. I may go with a device I saw - it goes inline with the antenna lead and converts rca inputs into FM modulation - right in the device. I think it may cut the rf from the antenna when it senses input. At least I won't have to fight fade, static and broadcast on my frequency. Thanks for the response.

themrfreeze · Post by **themrfreeze** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:23 am

I actually have one of those FM devices (a JVC unit) waiting for me to install into my Vibe. Once I have it installed and working, I'll let you know how it works.I'm still curious as to how the XM receiver, plugged into the stock headunit, works. Anybody have it? Does it appear as an "AUX" input when it's on, does it display "XM" on the headunit?

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:58 am

I believe its part of the Band button.. like.. FM1, FM2, FM3, AM, XM1, XM2...

themrfreeze · Post by **themrfreeze** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:10 am

Ok, this is getting interesting.I contacted PIE, and they claim that the XM input to the standard headunit can be enabled with an ODB2 tool (that funky programming device dealerships use to service cars), which should theoretically allow the PIE GM12-AUX to work. I'm contacting my dealership to see if this is the case and if they'll do it.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:16 am

I wouldn't bank on it.These radios don't appear to be tied into the OBD system.In addition, the non-XM-ready radios do not appear to have the proper firmware to process aux signals (outside the nav system).But, curious to hear what your dealership says..

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:18 am

I forget, we need to know exactly which radios can accept XM. I know the Nav system can't, and I think the M&T of certain years can't..

themrfreeze · Post by **themrfreeze** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:48 pm

Yeah, after my mind cleared and I thought about it a bit, I don't see how the ODB tool (or any general system programming tool for the Vibe) could possibly reprogram the headunit. I suppose GM might have something that plugs into the port on the back of the headunit to allow it to be reprogrammed, but that doesn't seem like something a dealership would need to have laying around. The more likely answer is that just plugging in an XM unit sends a signal to the headunit and activates the AUX port.In any case, I'll let ya know what the dealership has to say.

themrfreeze · Post by **themrfreeze** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:40 am

Never heard back from the dealership (which kinda surprises me...they seem to be pretty customer-oriented), and PIE never answered my question regarding if they were sure that the ODB tool thing actually worked.So, I installed the JVC inline FM modulator last night. It was a pretty easy install, and the sound is pretty darn respectable for a modulator. Definitely worth the $50 or so it cost for the modulator and antenna adapters.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:43 am

FM mod technology has improved greatly!

vibeInCanada · Post by **vibeInCanada** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:45 am

I too have failed with the GM12-PCPIOX from PIE.I will be resorting to FM Modulation but am undecided between wireless and wired. Opinions???Is anyone going to try this? Will it work with non-XM Ready factory Vibe radios?http://www.xmradio.com/xm_dire...d.jspBoy is GM missing the boat on this one if this doesnt work.I suspect too that there is a difference in firmware only between the single CD players in the vibe that work with XM and those that don't. I have tried and tried to verify this and see if I can upgrade the firmware with 0 success. GM and Delphi are extremely tight lipped and non-helpful on this.Ohh well.......

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:04 pm

Quote, originally posted by vibeInCanada Â»I too have failed with the GM12-PCPIOX from PIE.I will be resorting to FM Modulation but am undecided between wireless and wired. Opinions???Is anyone going to try this? Will it work with non-XM Ready factory Vibe radios?http://www.xmradio.com/xm_dire...d.jspBoy is GM missing the boat on this one if this doesnt work.I suspect too that there is a difference in firmware only between the single CD players in the vibe that work with XM and those that don't. I have tried and tried to verify this and see if I can upgrade the firmware with 0 success. GM and Delphi are extremely tight lipped and non-helpful on this.Ohh well.......Even if it was a firmware issue, you would only be able to use the generic gm/delphi tuner and that is tied into a specific car. It's been determined it's next to impossible to add factory XM into a car that didn't come with it.As for FM modulators, Kari bought a JVC wired modulator and it seems to provide good sound. Unless there's a dire reason for it, always go wired over wireless -- less chance of quality degredatiion...

remusrm · Post by **remusrm** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:30 am

i got the 2005 and it does not have an aux imput

GMJAP · Post by **GMJAP** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:07 am

The 2004 and 2005 OEM units with 6-disc in-dash changer can access an axilliary sound source using the PAC AUX2CAR. The head unit must have the BAND button, not AM/FM, which should be true of all 2004/2005 Vibes (not Matrix). Set the AUX2CAR into XM mode, then you can use your external input by selecting XM1 using the Band Button.

cknight725 · Post by **cknight725** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:18 am

Ummm -- not sure that makes sense ... I just purchased a 2005 Vibe with the 6-Disc Changer head unit and 7 speakers. The changer does not have a BAND button -- it has an AM/FM button that is siamesed with the CD/AUX button. The only head units in any Vibe's on the lot that had BAND buttons were the single CD units. My head unit has the 6-Disc emblem and RDS emblem on it, but there is no XM logo. As for "bands" I have AM, FM1, FM2 and CD at the moment. There are no XM1, XM2 or FM3 selections available presently.Is there yet another 6-Disc Changer that is standard with XM equipped cars? Does the AUX2CAR work with my head unit or not?

GMJAP · Post by **GMJAP** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:02 am

Quote, originally posted by cknight725 Â»Ummm -- not sure that makes sense ... I just purchased a 2005 Vibe with the 6-Disc Changer head unit and 7 speakers. The changer does not have a BAND button -- it has an AM/FM button that is siamesed with the CD/AUX button. The only head units in any Vibe's on the lot that had BAND buttons were the single CD units. My head unit has the 6-Disc emblem and RDS emblem on it, but there is no XM logo. As for "bands" I have AM, FM1, FM2 and CD at the moment. There are no XM1, XM2 or FM3 selections available presently.Is there yet another 6-Disc Changer that is standard with XM equipped cars? Does the AUX2CAR work with my head unit or not?The User's manuals for 2004/2005 that I have seen, including my own, show the 6-disc changers with the "BAND" button. However, I did not get a changer with my vehicle. Does yours have the SCV button on the lower right?In any case, an AUX adapter won't work without a "BAND" button on the 6-CD. If your user's manual shows the BAND button, I'd ask the dealer what's up with that...(PS- regardless, you won't see XM1, XM2 until the unit thinks there is an XM unit plugged in).

kcinmi · Post by **kcinmi** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:36 am

GMJAP... Im not disputing what you said, because frankly I dont have a clue. but got to thinking...If the indash changer has a AM/FM button, and a CD/AUX button, and the Aux2car actually uses the CD/AUX button on a single disc OEM stero to enable it...why wouldnt it work? I understand that the gm stereos have two aux inputs built in, and the indash changer uses one of them, but if the stero has the AM/FM button and not the band button, do you think GM is using the input that would otherwise be used for XM? Leaving the second input attached to the CD/AUX button open?

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:49 am

This is what I suspect is happening...but I'm not an expert so I can't say for sure...The buttons have always said (until the development of XM) CD/AUX, but AFAIK, they never had an actual intended use. The reason why it won't work on buttosn that say CD/AUX is because the radio itself is truly different, and not just the outside. The firmware was changed in the "BAND" button radios and they are preprogrammed to be able to work with an external signal.

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