NBA Finals: Laker vs Pistons.

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:30 am

So who is everyone going for? I personally dont really like the cocky Lakers so im going for the Pistons!! Game 1- Pistons!

vibenorth · Post by **vibenorth** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:39 am

The worst thing Detroit could do is win game 1, they just woke up the giant. Remember the final with Philly a few years ago.

nismo · Post by **nismo** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:00 am

All I can say is that it will definitely be close. I would've doubt if they get to game 7.Inder Singh

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:50 am

I'm not worried about the Lakers, they haven't experienced a smothering defense like Detroit's. It's going to be more then they can handle.

4X4CHICHI · Post by **4X4CHICHI** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:09 pm

Let's not forget, the lakers have won every series so far and have lost game one in all of them, if I'm not mistaken. heck, they lost the 1st two against the spurs and came back, beating them 4 in a row.

Keely · Post by **Keely** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:48 pm

Gotta root for the underdog, since the Lakers are gradually morphing into the Yankees of the NBA. Still, the odds are so heavily in favour of the Lakers for a reason - they really are that good.Another reason for me to support Detroit: my MM came home from a trip to New York recently and I knew he'd been shopping at the NBA store. Before he presented me with my jersey, he made me guess whose it was. My clue: the player was my equivalent in the way that I play field hockey. I thought for a few seconds, and said, "Ben Wallace?" Aggressive, smothering defence, intimidating...I was right! So, now that I have a basketball soul brother, it's Go Pistons!

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:04 pm

yes, i love to root for the under dogs! plus, i HATE the lakers! they've won enough!

shibaman · Post by **shibaman** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:49 pm

As a Sacramento Kings fan- any one but the rival Lakers!

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:48 pm

man, it's good to see so much support for the Pistons, My uncle used to own a suite at the Palace (pistons home) and I grew up watching almost all of the home games. Whenever we could that is.Go Pistons

MJN2 · Post by **MJN2** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:00 pm

I was born and grew up around the Detroit area, and I stick with my hometown teams. Even the Tigers Go Pistons!

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:22 am

Quote, originally posted by MJN2 Â»I was born and grew up around the Detroit area, and I stick with my hometown teams. Even the Tigers Go Pistons!The tigers are the only team from Detroit that I don't root for, only because I don't like the MLB. If I were to root for a baseball team, better believe it'd be the Tigers... however, I feel baseball players don't earn the kind of money they make, and when they strike for more, it's obsurd. Go Pistons

redlava · Post by **redlava** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:14 am

Definately have to root for the Pistons. I despise the Lakers, always have, always will. They are the Bulls if the 90's today, but without the class.

russ257 · Post by **russ257** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:16 pm

i thought Det was gonna get game two they made a bit of a comeback to pull ahead but it looks like they blew it in OT. kobe dropped that monster 3 at the end of regulation to shift the momentum back LA's way. i'm for det btw

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:53 pm

Quote, originally posted by russ257 Â»i thought Det was gonna get game two they made a bit of a comeback to pull ahead but it looks like they blew it in OT. kobe dropped that monster 3 at the end of regulation to shift the momentum back LA's way. i'm for det btwYeah I was mad they had that game in the bag and managed to lose it!! Hopefully they can win game 3&4 at home.. Lakers-1/Pistons-1

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:21 am

Quote, originally posted by Keely Â»Gotta root for the underdog, since the Lakers are gradually morphing into the Yankees of the NBA.Um, not really...their payroll isn't even in the top 5...the NBA's "Yankees" would be the Kicks, who, oddly enough, are also from New York To all you Laker haters...Phil Jackson is a genius, and last night's game (and Luke Walton), are evidence. We'll take two of three in Detroit and close it out in game 6...coaching in the playoffs - specifically the finals - is all about adjustments because neither team has faced each other enough to "know" them. Because of this, the better defensive will always have an early advantage in the series. That's ok though, the Lakers have to RUN on Detroit to beat them...scrap the triangle offense like they did against the Spurs, push it up the court to create as many easy, fastbreak buckets as possible. In the half-court set they (Payton, Kobe, Karim, Deaven, and even Luke) MUST simply drive the lane hard and DISH the ball to Shaq, Karl (in the paint) or Deavan, Karim and Fish for an open 3-pointer...basically whomever is left open when the help rotates to the driving player. Pick and roll is not the Laker's game, since Shaq's too slow and Karl's 15-foot jumper is off, plus his knee's pretty tweaked.Kobe's CLUTCH three-pointer (maybe even superceding Fish's bucket w/ .4 on the clock against the Spurs..although we would have been down 0-3 had he not) w/ 2.1 on the clock was amazing...Sorry for the armchair coaching, but I used to coach a few b-ball teams, and have played competetively (yes, on organized teams lol) since I was a kid...blame my father Oh, and FYI...I plan on sporting my Laker gear all through Auburn Hills come the MI meet - whether we win or lose. I'm still a die-hard Laker fan.

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:22 am

Quote, originally posted by 4X4CHICHI Â»Let's not forget, the lakers have won every series so far and have lost game one in all of them, if I'm not mistaken. heck, they lost the 1st two against the spurs and came back, beating them 4 in a row.Well, that was also only the 7th time in NBA history that a team has dropped the first two and come back to win a 7-game series...so the chances of that happening in the finals? Um, it's never happened...but that's moot since we won last night <--- forgot to add the avatar!

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:47 am

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 Â» (who should be in jail in my eyes) Leave that up to the judge and jury. None of our opinions matter, as we're not privy to the facts.

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:01 am

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 Â»Apparently you must agree with the rest of my break down of the game. Not really, but I don't have the time to analyize it lol. I do agree that SHAQ should have been fouled on the inbound pass before he handed it off to Kobe. The problem is that the Pistons had a foul to give, so fouling either would have created another inbound pass situation...not free-throw attempts.

JayC · Post by **JayC** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:05 am

coulda, shoulda, woulda...One thing for sure is that the rating will go up.

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:29 am

Yep, and it was Larry Brown's fault...he even said they WON'T foul in that situation...um, ok, thanks Larry I do give him lot's of respect for not taking the "cheap" way out...i.e. hack-a-shaq before the 2-minute mark ala Greg Popovich.then again, we can turn the tables and instill a hack-a-ben approach, as B wallace is as crappy a free throw shooter as Shaq is.

yank dini · Post by **yank dini** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:46 am

Go Pistons!

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:48 am

Quote, originally posted by yank dini Â»Go Pistons!>

4X4CHICHI · Post by **4X4CHICHI** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:09 pm

The giant may have been awoken. (could be awakened, I'm no scholar). I believe you and I would get along fine. Lakers and Vibes, yeah. by the way, is there any chance you like the reds and the bengals? hehehe

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:54 pm

Nope, but I don't dislike them...Dodgers and 49er's here I'm pulling for Griffey and I really liked what Charles Johnson and the Bengals did last...and Dillon is a MAN!

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:01 pm

woops...looks like the Pariots somehow managed to sign Cory Dillon away from the Bengals...living up the name "Bungles" lol

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:39 pm

big game tonight... GO PISTONS!!!

rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:38 pm

Quote, originally posted by Pablo1669 Â»big game tonight... GO PISTONS!!!Pistons are kickin (removed) tonight.

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:50 pm

Final score Fakers 68- Pistons 88. Now lets see they won game 1 Lakers won game 2 (by luck and everyone knows that) Pistons won game 3 by 20 points. Does anyone see the future besides me?? Pistons are the 2004 Champs!!!

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:50 pm

"there was about 200 Pistons fans standing on top of the parking garage outside the Lakers hotel screaming all night while cars would circle the block honking the horn" -Michele Tafoya ABC Sports88-68, can Detroit FINALLY get some respect?Some nice stats:68 points is Lakers all time playoff low, while 75 in game 1 was their second lowestKobe, 2 points in the first halfat one point, Kobe and Shaq combined for 21 points, meanwhile Hamilton had 23 himself.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:15 pm

pistons spank lakers wow! nice win there!

Kangaroooski · Post by **Kangaroooski** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:05 pm

As one great sports analyst once said "a great offence will win games but a great defence wins championships" GO PISTONS!!!!

kostby · Post by **kostby** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:21 pm

As a frustrated Indiana Pacers fan, I really AM enjoying seeing the Lakers melt down against the Pistons!

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:36 pm

Quote, originally posted by kostby Â»As a frustrated Indiana Pacers fan, I really AM enjoying seeing the Lakers melt down against the Pistons!Wait, I'm sorry, wasn't it the Pistons that were expected to roll over and just let the Lakers win?Screw the media, and their Lakers are Gods attitude.

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:56 am

Quote, originally posted by Pablo1669 Â»Wait, I'm sorry, wasn't it the Pistons that were expected to roll over and just let the Lakers win?Screw the media, and their Lakers are Gods attitude.Please quote me the media source that said the Pistons were going to "roll over and let the Lakers win".You won't find it because no one ever said that. Detroit was the 2nd best defensive team in the league (ppg) behind San Antonio, so they're definitely up to the task. In my eyes, Detroit is by far the BEST team the Lakers have faced in a finals series in their recent run (Indiana, 76'ers, and Nets). My main concern is stopping their offensive production, not breaking their defense - namely Rip & Chauncy. Detroit's defense hasn't done as much to win as the Lakers have done to LOSE by their own unforeced mistakes and missed OPEN shots...and let's not even begin to discuss the HORID officiating, or lack therof on obvious fouls committed by the pistons. Gary Payton's been acting like a little b**** right now, even though the refs have been giving him NO love (ticky tack fouls up and down the court). Even though he played a tab bit better last night, his mind still isn't in this series. We NEED the Golve of old to return for just three more wins. If we can contain Chauncy, we'll win the series. Rip will score 25-30 a night, but Rasheed's temper and foul tendancies will land him on the bench half the game, so I'm not too worried about him. And Ben Wallace will do his thing, but one thing he won't do is put up more than 10-15 points a night.Even though I have the utmost respect for the Pistons AND Larry Brown, this just isn't their year. The Lakers will still come back and win at Staples.I just love how all you Detroit fans are crying for respect...I've got news for you - no one's ever disrespected the Pistons in the first place! Hell, even Doc & crew were practicaly handing the series to the Pistons after last night's game. Either way this thing goes, it's one helluva exciting series already...here's to Sunday

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:06 am

Ever watch ESPN? Ever hear Stephan A Smith talk? Being a fan of the team that is getting the media spotlight can make you blind. You like what you are hearing, therefor you probably don't care what is being said about your team because it's all positive.Also, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO HEARD AL MICHEALS LAST NIGHT SAY THE LAKERS WON? Is that not one sided and stupid? HELLO!!!! they lost by 20. just because you think it should be them AL doesn't mean it actually is them winning.I'm just glad Jimmy Kimmel got his show pulled off the air the other night after making his comments about Detroit. Serves that (removed) well.P.S. the only thing in here that is "lame" is that smiley face you used to reply to my post. I mean come on, smiley faces?

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:11 am

here are two people who give the Pistons no credit.... notice how they blame the losses they are predicting on the Lakers getting bored, and losing focus... nothing about Detroit holding them to under 70 points or coming close to winning the first 3 games (I mean really, we should have won game 2)Michael Wilbon, Washington Post and ESPN"The Lakers will win in six games and Shaq will be the MVP. That's pretty predictable ... you could say Lakers are going to win and Kobe for MVP, but Shaq's been MVP all three times that they've won. I wouldn't be surprised if it went seven games. There will be a game where the Lakers play loose, they'll get a little bored, and Detroit will win one at home, so that's six games."Ira Winderman, South Florida Sun-Sentinel"I was going to go with Lakers in five, but they always find a way to make it harder on themselves than they should, so I think they'll just lose focus basically for two games, so I think Lakers in six. I just don't see the Pistons playing consistently enough at all to get four victories. As for MVP, I think it comes down to Shaq like it always does in The Finals. I think Kobe's had his moments, but I think in a series like this you pound Shaq, get the Pistons guys in foul trouble, and get it over with and get it home. And if Detroit thinks they're stopping Shaq with Elden Campbell, they've got another thing coming." P.S. LAKERS ARE 0-7 when they go down 2-1 in the FINALS

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:52 am

Both of those comments are rediculous, however, the Lakers ARE doing more to lose it themselves than what Detroit's defense is actually doing to them. They have NOT adjusted their offensive game plan like they did against the Spurs i.e. scrap the triangle and just drive it to the hole and dish. Draw fouls, contact, etc. Then again, the refs - who obviously hate the Lakers and I am convinced, have been given orders from Stern and ABC to call lopsided games to make things "close" all through the playoffs - probably won't give them any love anyway.The Lakers HAVE come out without heart and a sense of urgency...which has been typical of them this entire year, including the playoffs. They DO seem to think they can just turn it on whenever they want. Most times this is true, but they cannot continue this way against a SOLID defense.By the way, WHEN were those comments made. Surely not after Game 1. So stop complaining about not getting anyone's respect. Respect is EARNED, not given. In my opinion, they've earned it...they had better not let it go to their heads.As far as my smiley face, it speaks for itself, but wasn't my response, unless you forgot about what I typed after it.EDIT: After re-reading their comments, they are basing their statements on PAST performance and tendancies, so not all that rediculous. Lakers have a track record *cough* three titles in 4 years *cough*, so obviously they'll be the favorite going into a finals series. If the Pistons and their fans are looking for equal respect, win three championships in a row first.

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:11 am

Well all I know is everytime Lakers lose its because missed shots, referes, concentration, etc... etc... I never heard anyone say well Detroits defence just dominated the game making the Lakers take poor shots. Nope probably wont hear that, either way Detroit won because they played a good game and STOPPED the lakers offence. Just the same way Lakers managed to stop Detroit in game 2 in the last seconds of the quarter. Detroit will win this year and Carl Malone will have to stick around longer to win a championship.

Kangaroooski · Post by **Kangaroooski** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:38 am

Already a great series so far ain't it!!GO PISTONS!!!

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:14 am

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 Â»Well all I know is everytime Lakers lose its because missed shots, referes, concentration, etc... etc... I never heard anyone say well Detroits defence just dominated the game making the Lakers take poor shots. Nope probably wont hear that, either way Detroit won because they played a good game and STOPPED the lakers offence. Just the same way Lakers managed to stop Detroit in game 2 in the last seconds of the quarter. Detroit will win this year and Carl Malone will have to stick around longer to win a championship.Yes, but in this situation, poor shots ARE the case! Not to mention the fact that they missed their early OPEN shots...going 0 for their first 6. Not a good way to start the game. Oh, and it's Karl, not Carl

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:17 am

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker Â»Yes, but in this situation, poor shots ARE the case! Not to mention the fact that they missed their early OPEN shots...going 0 for their first 6. Not a good way to start the game. Oh, and it's Karl, not Carl Right and why were they poor shots?? Defense wouldnt let them take better ones??? Ohhhh yeah makes sence..... Carl Karl sounds the same lost the same.

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:37 am

no, they were poor because they were being taken by the wrong players. However, most of them were wide open and simply not dropping. yes, good D = wide open shots...uh huh.

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:39 am

Quote, originally posted by Wicked1981 Â»Well all I know is everytime Lakers lose its because missed shots, referes, concentration, etc... etc...I guess this proves my point Lakers are the BEST team in the NBA and still manage to lose because of the "wrong" players taken the shot. Didnt know that some of those players playing in a very important game could be the wrong players taking shots..Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker Â»no, they were poor because they were being taken by the wrong players. However, most of them were wide open and simply not dropping. yes, good D = wide open shots...uh huh.

Kangaroooski · Post by **Kangaroooski** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:48 am

Are there any wagers yet?

bckersey · Post by **bckersey** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:19 pm

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker Â»no, they were poor because they were being taken by the wrong players. However, most of them were wide open and simply not dropping. yes, good D = wide open shots...uh huh.Okay - I have been watching the pistons all year, and let me say that NO team has shot well against them. It must be coincidence that the bucks, nets, pacers and lakers have all shot poorly against the pistons. (sarcasm) The freaking reason that the teams are shooting so poorly is that the pistons make them work so hard to get open shots. It is much harder to hit an open shot when you are exhausted. And who are the "wrong players?"

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:01 pm

So its now 3 games Pistons-- 1 game Lakers!!!!!! Well its obvious who the champs this year are going to be!!!! GO PISTONS!!! Ohh yeah no team in NBA history have ever came back from a 3-1.

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:22 am

of the 27 teams who have won the finals after going 3-1, 13 have won in game 512 in game 62 in game 7ZERO have lost.So, any more reasons why the Lakers can't score? Are the "WRONG" players still shooting? How can a team be "the best in the NBA" if they have "wrong" players on their team. Can we just admit that the Lakers can't make their shots because of a smothering defense? is it coincidence that everytime Kobe misses a shot, Tayshaun is in his face with that 87 inch wingspan? must just be a bad shot, thats all

shibaman · Post by **shibaman** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:51 am

Kings Fan, Go Pistons! Actually, I had no idea how good a team they were.

rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:17 am

Pistons are eating up the Laker's defense tonight.Go Pistons!

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:46 am

update on score???