SC still NOT available for 5 spd Base manuals.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:07 am

GM is so %#$&#$%@ After spending the last month talking to GM Performance Parts, GM Accessories and several dealers, I was repeatedly told that the SC was FINALLY available for the 5 spd manual. So we a good install quote from a local dealer I went down to the dealer parts department today with money in hand to order the SC. I gave him the part number and told him he needed to order the module for the 5 spd Manual Base. He could not find any distinction and after dialing all he secret numbers and codes to contact GM Performance parts directly, he was told that it is only available for the Base automatic. Are you sure about the info you received? Iâ€™m so fed up with GM. On the PDF instructions for the SC install, they even have specific instructions for installation on manuals.On a side note, They had a used 03 VIBE GT that I could trade my 03 vibe in for, and the price difference would be about the same that I was going to shell out for the SC and install. Any thoughts from GT owners on this?

satur9 · Post by **satur9** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:58 am

i dont have a gt but i wanted one . ive hacked my car up with mods that i couldnt return it to stock to trade it in. pontiac parts dept does suck. i'd trade. if i was sure that the trd and pontiac modules were the same(conclusive evidence) i'd even buy a trd one .ive seen them for 2400$ . oh if the gt is two tone i wouldnt trade, just me.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:08 am

Quote, originally posted by satur9 Â». oh if the gt is two tone i wouldnt trade, just me.It is a two-tone, which woundn't be my first choice either, but I do like the Lava. Besides the extra GT HP and 6 speeds, I'd also be upgrading with a in-dash 6 CD changer and disk brakes all around. Are 17" wheels standard on the GT?

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:44 am

Quote, originally posted by tbm34 Â» Are 17" wheels standard on the GT?no. it's a wheel upgrade.

FusionVGT · Post by **FusionVGT** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:23 am

If the GT is in as good a condition as yours and you comfortable with the financial ramifications I say go for it.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:15 am

I'm about to let Toyota install one for me. GM says one thing on paper and then in reality has no damn clue. TRD super charger is all the same and fits the same, installs the same. Toyota will know your engine a LOT better then pontiac... who developed the engine? Toyota.

Post by **NSimkins** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:08 am

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik Â»I'm about to let Toyota install one for me. GM says one thing on paper and then in reality has no damn clue.Mavrik, I would hold off on that right now. From what I was told by the Vibe Brand Quality Manager was that the Vibe and Matrix use different electronic systems/computer that would not allow the Matrix S/C kit to work with the Vibe, and vice versa. The details on that is the 2003 and most of the 2004 Vibe models use a Denso system while the same period Matrix use the Delphi system which are not compatible with each other.I was told, however, that sometime recently or very soon with the remaining 04 models is that the Vibe and Matrix will finally share the same systems so I would assume both kits could be 'in theory' interchangeable.On the other hand, in regards to the 5-speed availablility, I am still waiting on the part numbers. It is out there and I will receive an e-mail with the correct part numbers for both the auto and 5-speed soon. There may be some issues with having it listed anywhere, so that 'may' be why no one can find it! I hope this helps you and everyone else. More updates to follow!

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:38 am

Quote, originally posted by NSimkins Â»Mavrik, I would hold off on that right now. From what I was told by the Vibe Brand Quality Manager was that the Vibe and Matrix use different electronic systems/computer that would not allow the Matrix S/C kit to work with the Vibe, and vice versa. The details on that is the 2003 and most of the 2004 Vibe models use a Denso system while the same period Matrix use the Delphi system which are not compatible with each other. Well I would prefer GM to do it for me cause it would be cheaper for me cause of my GM discount and dealership labour discount. Can't beat paying $23 an hour shop rate.But thanks for all the information you can get us. Trust me its very appreciated.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:17 pm

well, it's funny because the unichip is made and developed on the matrix, but the ecu's appear to be the same software. it's working like a charm on my GT and it says on it "toyota version"

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:08 am

Quote, originally posted by NSimkins Â»On the other hand, in regards to the 5-speed availablility, I am still waiting on the part numbers. It is out there and I will receive an e-mail with the correct part numbers for both the auto and 5-speed soon. There may be some issues with having it listed anywhere, so that 'may' be why no one can find it! I hope this helps you and everyone else. More updates to follow!Thanks a lot for the update. You can imagine how disappointing and frustrating it was to drive all the way down to the dealership with check in hand to order the Supercharger and have them tell me at the last minute that it is not really available for 5 spds. This is after a month of getting the infamous GM run around and being told for a year that "it will be available any day now". I'm getting pretty close to trading it for a GT, but I'd rather have the SC set-up for the lower end torque. It is why I got the Base over the GT in the first place. But if GM is still working on the 5 spd version, I'll try to be patient a bit longer.Your help is much appreciated, you must have a good inside contact, because the rest of us can get no straight forward information. Have they resolved the wheel hop issues? That was supposedly what was delaying the release for "a couple weeks" at the SEMA show announcement back in early November.

Post by **NSimkins** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:48 am

Quote, originally posted by tbm34 Â»Your help is much appreciated, you must have a good inside contact, because the rest of us can get no straight forward information.Yes, we are in very good contact with the Vibe Brand Quality Manager - he also tries to attend our Vibe rallies to get hands-on contact with actual owners.Quote, originally posted by tbm34 Â»Have they resolved the wheel hop issues? That was supposedly what was delaying the release for "a couple weeks" at the SEMA show announcement back in early November.Yes, the wheel hop was corrected and was the initial reason for the delay for the 5-speed kit. It also sounds like the 5-speed module was backordered and/or in short supply which may be why they tell me it is available and ready to go, but not in the dealers systems to order quite yet. I'm still waiting on part numbers.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:05 am

It also sounds like the 5-speed module was backordered and/or in short supply which may be why they tell me it is available and ready to go, but not in the dealers systems to order quite yet. I'm still waiting on part numbers.[/QUOTE]Thanks again for the update Nick. It is nice to know we have at least one knowledgeable source and contact with GM. I know you will post any updates as you get them, so I won't bug you anymore. I've waited close to a year, so another couple of months won't kill me.

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:17 am

Quote, originally posted by tbm34 Â»Thanks a lot for the update. You can imagine how disappointing and frustrating it was to drive all the way down to the dealership with check in hand to order the Supercharger and have them tell me at the last minute that it is not really available for 5 spds. This is after a month of getting the infamous GM run around and being told for a year that "it will be available any day now". I'm getting pretty close to trading it for a GT, but I'd rather have the SC set-up for the lower end torque. It is why I got the Base over the GT in the first place. But if GM is still working on the 5 spd version, I'll try to be patient a bit longer.Well according t the website GMgoodwrench or whatever it is says its only available for the Base engine not available for the 5spd AWD or the GT so dont think it will be out any time soon if at all but hey could be wrong just going from waht the website says.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:37 am

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 Â»Well according t the website GMgoodwrench or whatever it is says its only available for the Base engine not available for the 5spd AWD or the GT so dont think it will be out any time soon if at all but hey could be wrong just going from waht the website says.I'm starting to think the same. The SC info on GM performance parts site is very new and specifically states "Application for the base Vibe with automatic transmission (MU4) only. Not applicable for base Vibe with manual transmission, Vibe GT, and Vibe AWD models". They have also recently updated the GM Accessories web page essentially saying the same thing. We'll see what Nick comes up with, but I think we are still SOL. It would be nice to know if they are still working on the 5-spd SC module, or if they have permanently shelved it.

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:29 am

Good thing I have the base model too bad its going to cost like $3000 to get it!!

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:42 am

Read one of the other posts here, a guy is putting it on his awd Vibe... If he can then I don't know what to believe lol.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:43 am

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 Â»Good thing I have the base model too bad its going to cost like $3000 to get it!!Does your Base model have a manual or automatic transmission?

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:01 am

Automatic. Good thing!!! But still the problem is the $3,000+ to get it and install it.

NY Pete · Post by **NY Pete** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:03 pm

Quote, originally posted by tbm34 Â»The SC info on GM performance parts site is very new and specifically states "Application for the base Vibe with automatic transmission (MU4) only. Not applicable for base Vibe with manual transmission, Vibe GT, and Vibe AWD models". We'll see what Nick comes up with, but I think we are still SOL. It would be nice to know if they are still working on the 5-spd SC module, or if they have permanently shelved it.I swear GM is total s hitsz... Now they've basically LIED to us about this supercharger for over a year now. I'm so pissed that I didn't buy that Mini Cooper S I had on order. I was figuring, "hey, this Vibe is almost 8 grand cheaper, I can get it right now, and add a $2500 supercharger to it to make it faster than the Mini and it's way more practical too". What a doofus I was. I'm going to start concentrating on hopping up our Jetta - putting two grand into it will make it a friggin monster... Pete

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:39 am

Quote, originally posted by NSimkins Â» It is out there and I will receive an e-mail with the correct part numbers for both the auto and 5-speed soon. There may be some issues with having it listed anywhere, so that 'may' be why no one can find it! I hope this helps you and everyone else. More updates to follow!Actually I have the part # for the auto trans SC i had to e-mail GM and they called me at my cell and gave me some info. I had to fight my local dealer and they couldnt ge me the infoI wanted so I e-maile GM next day they called me and gave me part # 12498927 for the SC havent heard or asked about a 5 sp SC part # but this is the correct part #. If you go to gmgoodwrench.com or whatever the site is you wont be able to pull up the SC by using the part # you have to look at parts then superchargers and it will bring out the vibe SC and the cavalier I believe. Hope this helps

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:26 am

http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/gm...on=ppAccording to the Vibe Supercharger Description:Quote Â»*Application for the base Vibe with automatic transmission (MU4) only. Not applicable for base Vibe with manual transmission, Vibe GT, and Vibe AWD models.By the way, if anyone is curious, here are the installation instructions. Looks WAYYYY too complicated for my tastes! http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/pe...7.pdf

Post by **NSimkins** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:23 am

Quote, originally posted by NSimkins Â»On the other hand, in regards to the 5-speed availablility, I am still waiting on the part numbers. Update -- I'm still waiting. End of Update.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:26 am

Nick,Since you are still waiting for part numbers, I'm encouraged by the prospects that at least they are still working on the 5-speed manual SC. From your previous post"I was told, however, that sometime recently or very soon with the remaining 04 models is that the Vibe and Matrix will finally share the same systems so I would assume both kits could be 'in theory' interchangeable."I was worried that they may just give up on it since the Matrix and Vibe will soon be sharing the same electronic systems/computers, and it will no longer be necessary.Are you fairly sure that they are still going to release a SC for the 2003 and early 2004 Base 5-spds, even if it takes a couple of months? I have been talking to a local dealer about trading my Base for a used GT, and the difference is getting close to the cost of a SC plus install. I'd rather hold out for the SC if I knew for sure that it will eventually be released.I've gone another round on the subject with GM Performance Parts, but have of course gotten no where.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:37 am

After riding the GM Dealer, GM Performance Parts merry-go-round on the 5-spd supercharger, I was once again fed up and e-mailed them this fairly rude e-mail. â€œDear GM_Performance_Parts_Internet_Response, Thank you again for another lesson in GM futility. My local parts dealer can only find order information for the Base automatic, and suggest that I contact GM Performance parts directly for additional information. When I contact GM Performance parts, they suggest I contact my local dealer for assistance. I don't understand the need for this run-around. The GM Vibe Supercharger is a Genuine GM Performance Part, this is the Official GM Performance Part website assistance, why can I not get a yes or no answer to a simple question? I'm a GM customer that is looking to spend money onadditional GM products. Is the supercharger currently available for the Base Vibe 5-speed manual transmission? YES or NO.â€After not hearing back for over two weeks, I thought they justifiably blew me off, but today I receive this BIG UPDATE!!!â€œThank you for visiting the Performance Parts website.With regards to your inquiry, at this time the Vibe Supercharger kit isonly for the 'Base Engine' and Automatic Transmission. GM is working on the calibration to make it useable with the manual transmission but at this time it is not ready to go.â€Thank you for your inquiry.So we are basically back to the status we were over a year ago. It is time to face reality folks, GM IS NOT going to release a supercharger for the manual From I business point this makes sense for GM. Donâ€™t quote me, but I bet less than 10% of Vibes sold are 5-spd manuals. Of this small population how many will actually fork out another $3800 for a SC and install. Probably half a dozen at best.Additionally as Nick stated.â€The details on that is the 2003 and most of the 2004 Vibe models use a Denso system while the same period Matrix use the Delphi system which are not compatible with each other. I was told, however, that sometime recently or very soon with the remaining 04 models is that the Vibe and Matrix will finally share the same systems so I would assume both kits could be 'in theory' interchangeable.â€So why would GM release a product now for the 5-spd, when they will have to replace it in a couple of months anyway, or just let 2004 owners buy it through Toyota.It makes more sense for Toyota to sell one because of the bigger market of compatibility with both Matrixâ€™s and Corrolaâ€™sThese are only my thoughts of course, and I hope Nick finally hears back from his Vibe Brand Quality Manager Contact and proves me wrong.

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:32 am

Too bad you had to go trough all the hasle but if you would have researched it on here you would have found a post from not too long ago from someone saying no SC for the 5sp yet only for the Base auto but it has been installed on an AWD model.

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:42 am

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 Â»Too bad you had to go trough all the hasle but if you would have researched it on here you would have found a post from not too long ago from someone saying no SC for the 5sp yet only for the Base auto but it has been installed on an AWD model.Yea, I was well aware of this. I was mostly just *ucking with them. All you have to do is go to either the GM Performance parts or GM Accessories web site to see that it is not available for manuals. They are apparently not aware of their own website. The question I was tying to get answered was if they have shelved the whole thing, or is it is still in the works.

bassvibes84 · Post by **bassvibes84** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:57 am

I went down to Autorama in Detroit yesterday and saw something very interesting. GMPerformance Parts had a Vibe there with a supercharger. A base manual Vibe. I asked the rep there about it (he was from a local dealer) and he said he'd have more info if I called him on Monday. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and will update everyone tomorrow.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:03 am

Quote, originally posted by bassvibes84 Â»I went down to Autorama in Detroit yesterday and saw something very interesting. GMPerformance Parts had a Vibe there with a supercharger. A base manual Vibe. I asked the rep there about it (he was from a local dealer) and he said he'd have more info if I called him on Monday. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and will update everyone tomorrow.Please don't let us down lol. Have you found out anything yet? If the issue was with the shocks causing a hop... most of us have plans of replacing the stock shocks anyway so whats the deal? Keep us informed

bassvibes84 · Post by **bassvibes84** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:37 pm

So I called the guy today, and he was useless. He didn't know anything and didn't know how to get the information I wanted (why he was representing GM at Autorama, I don't know.). So basically, all I know is that a s/c manual vibe was displayed by GM. The installation itself did not look so good, however. The clearances between the supercharger and other components were tiny and the belt looked like it would rub. It almost looked thrown together. I've included the picture we took, but you can't see much.Sorry about the lack of info, I'll keep poking around.

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Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:57 pm

So considering how GM has said that the supercharger is only for the automatic transmission and not the AWD and Manual, we have members here with AWD and a successful SC install. Goes to show that its not just GM reps that do not have a clue as to what they are talking about. The instructions for the auto trans install included manual instructions also... why don't we just get a prices of the SC and just install them on our Vibes anyway? There isn't really anything different with how they are installed right?

drummerdude · Post by **drummerdude** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:37 am

i bet the only problem between the supercharger on the auto vs. manual is the ecu... solution! get the unichip and tell them to tune it for the supercharger. man i'm glad i don't have to worry about the supercharger coming out for my car.... CAUSE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! booo GM

NY Pete · Post by **NY Pete** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:58 am

Yeah, what a crock of sh_t GM is. I bought the base over the GT under the guise that the supercharger would be out "in a month or so". That was LAST FEBRUARY. I would have f&%*ing ordered a GT if I would have known that they NEVER intended to release the supercharger for the 5-speed Vibe. At this point I'm just going to spend my extra money on my '71 Monte Carlo, lord knows I'll get a lot more satisfaction out of that than jerking around waiting for GM to finally release it's AMAZING 35 hp superchager for my slow-a$$ econo-wagon... GRRRRRRR Pete

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:54 pm

Quote, originally posted by NY Pete Â»Yeah, what a crock of sh_t GM is. I bought the base over the GT under the guise that the supercharger would be out "in a month or so". That was LAST FEBRUARY. I would have f&%*ing ordered a GT if I would have known that they NEVER intended to release the supercharger for the 5-speed Vibe. At this point I'm just going to spend my extra money on my '71 Monte Carlo, lord knows I'll get a lot more satisfaction out of that than jerking around waiting for GM to finally release it's AMAZING 35 hp superchager for my slow-a$$ econo-wagon... GRRRRRRR Petelmao! i'm sorry, it's not funny, but YOU are!!!!

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:06 pm

um...oops

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:16 pm

Quote, originally posted by NY Pete Â»Yeah, what a crock of sh_t GM is. I bought the base over the GT under the guise that the supercharger would be out "in a month or so". That was LAST FEBRUARY. I would have f&%*ing ordered a GT if I would have known that they NEVER intended to release the supercharger for the 5-speed Vibe. At this point I'm just going to spend my extra money on my '71 Monte Carlo, lord knows I'll get a lot more satisfaction out of that than jerking around waiting for GM to finally release it's AMAZING 35 hp superchager for my slow-a$$ econo-wagon... GRRRRRRR PeteMaybe you should break down like me and get the SF turbo kit!...I remember thinking "maybe i should wait till the SC comes out", but that was a year from last January!!!! I am glad I did not wait! So now i have had it on for 20k miles , and over a year...I am making good power and it seems to be pretty reliable...Your warranty will be over by the time the SC comes out for the 5spd anyway......LOL

NY Pete · Post by **NY Pete** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:23 am

Quote, originally posted by Faultline Â»...Your warranty will be over by the time the SC comes out for the 5spd anyway......LOL No doubt! I think my money is going to go towards installing a full F-B-SS air bag suspension in my old '71 Monte. That should be pretty cool to cruise around, not to mention all the wrench-turning I get to do with the install... Pete

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:56 am

Well if GM releases the SC for the base 5 spd (which was why I bought the base also... so I could supercharge it...) and my warranty is not up, then I'll get it. If my warranty is up, then I'm visiting Toyota who has already said they can get a supercharger to work on my Vibe... just it will void warranty if I do it now... So I'll wait.

rcasciola · Post by **rcasciola** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:55 am

just get a turbo...the gains of a turbo are better than the s/c

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:53 pm

I'm surprised GM is taking so long on this. The only reason I can think of is an ECU issue or possibly they're having a problem meeting emission standards. Neither makes much sense but those are the only reasons I can think of.

Celtic_Curse · Post by **Celtic_Curse** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:12 pm

Well can't we just swap out the ecu's from a MAtrix and put it in our Vibes? It's the same engine isn't it? Could always pick one up at a salvage or something or is the price for a new one cost prohibitive? What about just buying and making your own SC? If Sf can make a custome Turbo surely an aftermarket SC can be made right?

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:47 pm

Quote, originally posted by Celtic_Curse Â»Well can't we just swap out the ecu's from a MAtrix and put it in our Vibes? It's the same engine isn't it? Could always pick one up at a salvage or something or is the price for a new one cost prohibitive? What about just buying and making your own SC? If Sf can make a custome Turbo surely an aftermarket SC can be made right?yes .. Mike Stafford and i have gone around on this, He likes the Lysolm Screw type SC called the Auto Rotor, but he also talked about an eaton roots style, except a larger model I believe he said it could make mor power , and be amor effecient(cooler)...Anyway, then there is always the celica ecu running up over 7k rpms!...Stafford could make you a custom Sc for around the same pric , maybe a little more, but then you lose the warrant benifits, as you would if you changed to a matrix ecu....but Hey! it's worth the risk!..Join me! to the dark side!!!!LOL!!!!! Turbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by **NSimkins** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:17 am

Looks like it's finally here:http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=9286

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:44 am

Sweet! Guess I better start saving my pennys.