Canabis discussion (caution: the contents of this thread may be offensive to some)

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:03 pm

well, i started the thread, bring the pain, advocates and opposers.i'd like to start off with this thought: i love it when people will be sitting, sipping on a drink, drunk. talking about how bad tokin' is. it is impossible to smoke enough to impair you as much as alcohol can. it is also physically impossible to overdose, with alcohol, it happens everyday. alcohol is legal.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:07 pm

Ah yess, the ill-fated Cannabis discussion. Well, I personally never have, and never will use...but I have friends who do. If they do it on their own time, when they're not in any position to hurt anyone else (i.e. behind the wheel of a car), then I have no problem with it.As for legalization...I haven't really thought about it, but I don't see how that differs much from alchol...

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:25 pm

ah, great open mind. as far as making you stupid (see "racing", where this got started) - that is balderdash! yes, it does affect short term memory -i.e. "where the hell are my car keys??"it does not, however, affect learning capacity. the only people i have ever seen totally bash it are closed minded and watch way too much tv. i would like to think that we are past the dragnet days where everyone invisions potheads swaying to weird music and babbling about nonsense. alchohol kills brain cells also! the only reason it is the gateway drug is because it is illegal. "oh, well, pot is illegal and i see people do it all the time. it must be ok to do other illegal drugs too!"also, keep in mind, there are far more drunks that smokers in the world. who would you rather see behind the wheel?

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:30 pm

I personally thing canabis is not more dangerous then alcohol and cigarette and both are legal.It juste need to be regulated by good law, exactly like cigarettes and alcohol. Plus people will be happier!!

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:46 pm

Quote, originally posted by Sub-Vibe-R Â»I personally thing canabis is not more dangerous then alcohol and cigarette and both are legal.It juste need to be regulated by good law, exactly like cigarettes and alcohol. Plus people will be happier!!yes! tax it, tax the hell out of it! people are obviously willing to pay top dollar. regulate it, make it safe, clear the damn jails out and make room for real criminals!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:59 pm

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â»yes! tax it, tax the hell out of it! people are obviously willing to pay top dollar. regulate it, make it safe, clear the damn jails out and make room for real criminals! Well said!

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:25 pm

And by regulated it, we will get stuff of better quality.

Charlievibe · Post by **Charlievibe** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:51 pm

Frankly, I see nothing wrong with making it legal and taxing it like you have mentioned. All of the people I have ever known who like the weed, wouldn't drive. And if they want to go somewhere, they normally find someone who would take them. Weed just tends to mellow most people out and not make them want to freak out like alcohol does.Quote, originally posted by Silver Â»It alters your DNA actually and can cause birth defects and it is a gateway drug. When they have a tolerance to it, they will go on to the next stronger thing. There are a lot of drugs on the market these days that alter your DNA, that is what they are trying to do. I am doing my graduate work on those kinds of drugs and their interactions. Canabis does not alter DNA to the extreme that some of the prescription medications you take do. As for being a gateway drug, so is alcohol, so are a lot of prescription drugs. I have seen people gain a tolerance for alcohol and turn to hard core drugs. ANYTHING can be a gateway for anything else if you want it to be.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:57 pm

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 Â»It alters your DNA actually and can cause birth defects and it is a gateway drug. When they have a tolerance to it, they will go on to the next stronger thing. prove it. who says alcohol isn't the gateway? it is first because it is popular and cheaper than hard stuff. there is not a whole lot of conclusive evidence against the effects of marijuana. a lot is stipulated. if you got good stuff, sure, you may tolerate it somewhat, but you can smoke more and achieve the desired effect. anyone who is not exposed to it a considerable amount is talking out of their (removed). medical books are almost always wrong when it comes to the specs of a drug. if they were right, i would have died probably 20 times by now.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:19 am

Some people will always be looking for the next more powerful high, it's hard to say whether or not legalizing it will have any effect on pulling more or less people who are excess-prone into drugs. Unfortunately you can't legislate or enforce common sense (other than in some darwinian sort of way) A lot of people could stay out of trouble by trying to stick to that classic zen saying "everything in moderation, including moderation" I don't know about the physiology of it all, but stoned people seem to do stupid things, so I would say it affects judgement. Definitely also seems to affect motivation and productivity. Anyone had a team project with a stoner on the team can tell you about that. doesn't it give guys manboobs?

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:23 am

You can be wright Silver, but alcohol and cigarettes can case the exact same things and they are legal.All depends how, when and why you take it.If it is only for having some fun for time to time, there's absolutly nothing wrong on this. As alcohol, canabis has to be taken with intelligence.

Charlievibe · Post by **Charlievibe** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:29 am

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 Â»The problem is people are not educated on drugs and do not know the problems. But I guess even when they are even educated about the problems an long term effects, they still do not care. Exactly. If the general population were more educated about the prescription medications they take, they would reconsider what they take. I promise you, if you knew what those 'legal' drugs are doing to you, you would rather smoke weed. As for the judgement issue, I can't really argue that one. When you are high on what ever, from weed to even life, your judgement is impaired. So really, what doesn't affect our judgement making processes?!?!As for man boobs, yes those do show up, but mostly from the munchies and increased food intake.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:50 am

Whatever is discussed here, it really doesn't matter. You'd never find an electable politician willing to push the legalization, so it's going to stay illegal. The question you have to answer for yourself is if the ramifications of getting busted are worth getting high. I guess there are a lot of jobs/occupations where having a drug bust on the record wouldn't matter, but it would cost me my job, for me something not worth the risk.Now, if they criminalize coffee, I'm going underground.

Charlievibe · Post by **Charlievibe** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:59 am

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»Whatever is discussed here, it really doesn't matter. You'd never find an electable politician willing to push the legalization, so it's going to stay illegal. The question you have to answer for yourself is if the ramifications of getting busted are worth getting high. I guess there are a lot of jobs/occupations where having a drug bust on the record wouldn't matter, but it would cost me my job, for me something not worth the risk.Now, if they criminalize coffee, I'm going underground.Good point. As far as the coffee, I suspect you won't be alone!!!

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:12 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â»it is impossible to smoke enough to impair you as much as alcohol can.I'm not sure about that. I've seen some really, REALLY messed up stoners in high school doing some incredibly stupid stuff. I'm not saying that alcohol is any better, though.Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â»it is also physically impossible to overdoseOops. This one just got proven wrong last week. I heard on the radio news the other day that a man in England who was a chronic pot smoker (at least 5 joints per day over 15 or 20 years, I can't remember) was found to have died from it. His official autopsy report listed the cause of death as "Cannibis Poisining".

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:13 am

I was stuck in the US mindset, sorry. Guess I'll just go enter more car giveaway contests and you can go get ready for the immigration flood.

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:15 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â»i would like to think that we are past the dragnet days where everyone invisions potheads swaying to weird music and babbling about nonsense.Well, when potheads stop listening to wierd music and babbling about nonsense when they are getting high, then we will move beyond this. Most stereotypes have some element of truth to them, otherwise they wouldn't be believable. Again, I've seen some amazing behavior from some of the potheads I went to high school with.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:36 am

Quote, originally posted by Stang2Vibe Â»Oops. This one just got proven wrong last week. I heard on the radio news the other day that a man in England who was a chronic pot smoker (at least 5 joints per day over 15 or 20 years, I can't remember) was found to have died from it. His official autopsy report listed the cause of death as "Cannibis Poisining".i read about this the other day on fark.com. this is the one case that has ever been brought forth with such a conclusion. perhaps the autopsy was wrong?as far as acting stupid, that has a lot to do with our returning friend common sense.stang, you are absolutely right about stereotypes having a basis in reality!(vibngirl, everyday for me)

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:37 am

It is quite rare, but I do.I do smoke 4-5 times per year.. no more

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:27 am

Quote, originally posted by Vib'in Girl Â»Who here smokes pot?Regularly?Everyday?Once in a while?Never?Do you?

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:28 am

not many responses here! are people ashamed?

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:31 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â» i would like to think that we are past the dragnet days where everyone invisions potheads swaying to weird music and babbling about nonsense. we are who do you think is running the country's now adays. oh yea, 20+ years strong. and i can remember....ah what was i typing?

russ257 · Post by **russ257** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:37 am

nope i dont touch the stuff. i dont think there is anything wrong with it i just am parinoid about getting a job and drug testing. i say we legalize it and tax the hell out of it

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:09 am

fotunate for me, i have no testing! way to go scherry! you are obviously not an idiot, thus helping prove my point.-i have 7 so far!

Reynoma · Post by **Reynoma** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:15 am

I'm 35...never touched the stuff...and never will. I was around many, many people in college that spent a lot of time smoking. They just knew that I didn't.It is a gateway drug, just like cigarettes and alcohol. In my very unpopular opinion, I think both of those should be outlawed also. I've seen too much damage done by both of those items. But, in this world of "to each his own" and "do what feels good", that won't happen.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:23 am

as an american, you have the right to do what you want as long as it hurts noone else. at least you used to. now, you have to wear a seatbelt or get a ticket! i speak from experience, being a functional smoker is much easier than being a real alcoholic (which i am not really, but i have gone through spells). you can smoke all you want before bed and wake up fine. now, drink an assload of alcohol, and i wish you luck going to work in the morning!oh boy, here is a big one: who believes marijuana to be addictive? i dont. there are no withdrawals from lack thereof. if a mental craving is addiction, chocolate, potato chips, etc. should be illegal.

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:49 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â»oh boy, here is a big one: who believes marijuana to be addictive? i dont. there are no withdrawals from lack thereof. Canabis does not create physical addiction, unlike cigarette does.But it can create psychologocal addiction, like anything else on this Earth.

Vibe Rater · Post by **Vibe Rater** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:59 am

I was going to add a post to this thread, but I forgot what I was going to say. Damn!

Vibe Rater · Post by **Vibe Rater** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:03 am

Oh yeah, now I remember. Don't SMOKE pot. EAT it. No harm done to your lungs. The only problem I have with pot is when people smoke it. Then you're right smack dab into the middle of the same battle that cigarette smokers have endured for decades (rightfully so). Smoking pot is bad for your lungs and other adverse health affects, some say worse than tobacco. Do it up in a pot butter and cook with it.

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:01 am

But then it's bad for your heart. Why not the traditional pot-brownies?

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:09 am

Quote, originally posted by Reynoma Â»I'm 35...never touched the stuff...and never will.I'm 25, and I'm right with ya! Quote, originally posted by Reynoma Â»It is a gateway drug, just like cigarettes and alcohol. In my very unpopular opinion, I think both of those should be outlawed also. I've seen too much damage done by both of those items. But, in this world of "to each his own" and "do what feels good", that won't happen.And I thought that I was the last American on Earth who thought the same way! I like to drink a bit of alcohol once in a while, but I would gladly give it up forever if we could somehow get rid of all alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drug use in one fell swoop. I can control my alcohol use, but I would sacrifice my enjoyment of it if these other plagues were wiped away for the greater good in return. The problem with making alcohol illegal is that it is just too easy to make. It can be made from so many other foods that are beneficial parts of the diet so you can't ban everything that can produce alcohol like you can marijuana plants.

cohocarl · Post by **cohocarl** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:36 am

Why do we drink coffee? Why do we smoke cigarettes?Why do we drink alcohol?To feel the effects of the drugs in them. Why do we (some of us) smoke weed? Same reason. Why is weed illegal? I know I'll get some repies on this comment, but we are being hypocrites keeping alcohol legal, while putting someone in jail because he had a joint in his pocket, or a plant on his own property. If you aren't drunk so you are thinking straight (not directed at you drunkenvibe, but anti-weeders), compare the physical, economical, and socialogical damages of alcohol versus weed in our society. It's not a issue of the law protecting us from "hurting" ourselves by smoking weed, it's a moral issue.

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:54 am

read the book "the emperor wears no clothes"

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:08 pm

I had some apple juice in the fridge for too long, when i opened up the jar it was actually some really awesome beer. Didn't taste like apples at all. Foamed up like a guiness, had quite a kick. Figure it must have been the nature of it to change into alcohol, so who are we to say that such things are wrong and that alcohol should be prohibited.you know, I never understood those safety seal things. THey say "Do not use if safety seal is broken" How are you supposed to get the stuff out of the jar to use it without breaking the safety seal?Another thing, I stopped in a McDonalds for a bathroom break, and was about to leave when I saw a sign that said "Employees must wash hands before leaving" I didn't want to get in trouble so I waited, but it took 45 minutes before an emplyeee came in. If they're going to have rules like that, maybe they should have employees check for customers more often.What were we talking about?oh yeah. are there other countries where pot is decriminalize, and can their experiences be nromalized to american culture to provide a realistic extrapolation of the effects of decriminalization here? Are there any political action committees pushing for decriminalization? is NORML still around?What's the typical consumer package amount, and how much does it cost? A couple of years ago, DC had a referendum on medical marijuana, and congress couldn't stop the referendum, so they recalled the money, and DC couldn't legally tally the results of the reeferendum. Was their only way to stop it from becoming legal.

VibeChick · Post by **VibeChick** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:21 pm

Personally, I don't smoke pot. I think it tastes like ****. I also don't smoke cigarettes - they make me sick, literally. As for pot being a gateway drug, I don't know - I skipped it entirely and went straight for the hard drugs (gave drugs up many...many years ago).I have met people who can smoke pot once and a while and be fine. I have also met people who will dig through your carpet and show up at your house everyday like a crack addict, hoping for another joint. I think people with addiction problems will be people with addiction problems, be it alcohol, coffee, (removed), food, drugs, whatever.

cohocarl · Post by **cohocarl** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:14 pm

Quote, originally posted by VibeChick Â»I think people with addiction problems will be people with addiction problems, be it alcohol, coffee, (removed), food, drugs, whatever. Exactly. If a person is a substance abuser, it doesn't really matter which substance they start on. To say weed is a "gateway" drug is a little far fetched.

rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:53 pm

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»I don't know about the physiology of it all, but stoned people seem to do stupid things, so I would say it affects judgement.Like this! http://www.vistalites.com/downloads/cc1.mpg I have nothing against it, but hate to see it in the hands of the youth.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:51 pm

Quote, originally posted by VibeChick Â»I think people with addiction problems will be people with addiction problems, be it alcohol, coffee, (removed), food, drugs, whatever. I am addicited to 2 things:Anything Starbucks, and Dunkin Donuts Vanilla Chai Tea.I'm at peace with my addiciton.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:24 am

Quote, originally posted by cohocarl Â»Exactly. If a person is a substance abuser, it doesn't really matter which substance they start on. To say weed is a "gateway" drug is a little far fetched. although i agree with you and vibegirl on this, i disagree that marijuana CAN'T EVER lead to other heavy drugs. i know this from experience, not myself, but watched my oldest brother throw his life away slowly... he is 10 yrs older than i, my other bro is 8 yrs older. ken started pot when he was about 13 yrs old, i was only 3. when i was 6 yrs old, i watched him high as a kite chase my brother around the backyard with a knife trying to kill him. he has always smoked pot since he was 13, upset now that he doesn't have the mind he used to. he can't give it up. when he was about 16 yrs old, after the backyard incident, my mom had to often call the cops to control him. he had her pinned on the floor screaming at her for money so he could get crack or lsd, or whatever was on his menu that night. later that year, we had to commit him to a rehab facility until he was 18 and checked himself out. he was a ward of the state of washington at this time of life. at 19, there wasn't any drug he hadn't tried, he was a junkie. he robbed a store with a knife and of course was caught, arrested and went to jail for 2 years. after he got out on probation, he came to live with me and my folks, i was in jr high. soon after he started up the pot again.... we moved up to ak and he stayed behind. he has been in and out of jail, and right now is awaiting federal trial tomorrow for smuggling illegal aliens into the US for his "addictions". he continually threatens to kill himself by having a shoot out with the cops, he shoots at them so they will shoot him. if you can imagine the anguish my parents and the rest of my family go thru dealing with this for the last year... lie after lie after lie. to say that marijuana has no ill effects or is NOT or NEVER a gateway drug, then i definitely DISAGREE. everyone handles things differently. some people can have a drink while others must get drunk. just because that person is ok with one drink doesn't mean it isn't addictive or lead to other harder drugs or alcohol. I'm not saying that everyone who ever smokes pot will do the things my brother did, but to say that it will NEVER happen is ignorant.i have never smoked pot or did any other drug. i don't smoke. i do have a drink every so often and have in the past done stupid things when drinking too much. i'm not perfect, nor is anyone else on here. it's all a matter of opinion and what you feel is ok and right. if they made smoking or alcohol illegal, then i wouldn't really care. that's less money for me to spend on pointless things. i'd rather spend it on my vibe.

fuel4soul · Post by **fuel4soul** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:10 pm

Had to do it...

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Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:29 pm

Quote, originally posted by Vibe Rater Â»Oh yeah, now I remember. Don't SMOKE pot. EAT it. Hummm!! Weed muffinnnn.

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:48 am

thank you for being honest.