HID Lights

[Melophile]

I have a 2009 Pontiac Vibe GT and I want to do my very first modification. Since I'm a car noobie, I wanted to start with something basic and wanted to get HID lights on my Vibe.

Anyone here have any suggestions on what brand I should get and where?

[vibenvy]

You'll be better off with regular bulbs. If you want HIDs, it's best to pair them with proper projector headlights to get the proper and best lighting.

I have had Sylvania SilverStar zXe bulbs in the low and high beams and Nokya hyper yellow Stage 1 bulbs in the fog lights of my 2009 GT since last summer and have been very happy with this combination. Check out my Garage thread for pictures of what it looks like at night. Simple plug and play. No need to mount ballasts, etc. Much simpler and better suited for halogen headlight housings.

[09vGT]

I just bought a set from DDM Tuning. I've yet to install them because its a rather tight fit. I'm having a friend do it when I get home from my internship.

[thebarber]

Its a 9006 bulb type...you'll need capacitors (often called warning cancellers) if they run as DRL's. Just make sure to aim your headlights down once you install as all that light that was scattered and dim is now 3x brighter...

[XRVibe10]

I have HID's in my Low Beams (6000K) & Fog Lamps (3000K) - Install is simple plug & play - You won't need to get the relay harness for the Low Beams as the DRL's run on the high circuit (if you get a really cheap kit, you may need to get the relasy harness to bump up the voltage) - I have the Litech Brand - Very simple & haven't had any issues - make sure where you mount /hide the ballasts it is away from where water can get on them (I hid mine behind the black splash shields on the upper part of the front fenders near the strut towers - There are mixed feelings on the use of HID's in open headlamp housings - Vibenvy made a good point that ideally, HID's should be used with projectors (no aftermarket sets i've seen yet for our Vibes, but retrofit can/has been done) - Check my signature for the Auto Disable, there are pictures of the HID's - just make sure you check your aim, a common mistake many people forget when you install new lights, espically aftermarket lighting - the 09/10 Vibe headlamps have a unique design which kinda gives a somewhat flat cut off line which helps with the glare/scatter issue - Good Luck

[vibenvy]

I have HID's in my Low Beams (6000K) & Fog Lamps (3000K) - Install is simple plug & play - You won't need to get the relay harness for the Low Beams as the DRL's run on the high circuit (if you get a really cheap kit, you may need to get the relasy harness to bump up the voltage) - I have the Litech Brand - Very simple & haven't had any issues - make sure where you mount /hide the ballasts it is away from where water can get on them (I hid mine behind the black splash shields on the upper part of the front fenders near the strut towers - There are mixed feelings on the use of HID's in open headlamp housings - Vibenvy made a good point that ideally, HID's should be used with projectors (no aftermarket sets i've seen yet for our Vibes, but retrofit can/has been done) - Check my signature for the Auto Disable, there are pictures of the HID's - just make sure you check your aim, a common mistake many people forget when you install new lights, espically aftermarket lighting - the 09/10 Vibe headlamps have a unique design which kinda gives a somewhat flat cut off line which helps with the glare/scatter issue - Good Luck

I have had my current lighting setup (Nokya hyper yellow Stage 1 bulbs in the fog lights and Sylvania SilverStar zXe bulbs in the low and high beam headlights) for a little over a year now, so I am expecting at least one of the bulbs to be burning out soon, so I have been considering getting some HID bulbs from DDM Tuning (35w - 3000k for fog lights and 5000k for low beams). I have a question for you though: 1.) How much did you aim your headlights down i.e. one full turn of the adjustment knob, etc.? I would really like to give HIDs a try to see if all the hype is true, but I don't want to be one of those idiots driving around blinding everyone else on the road. Thanks in advance!

[thebarber]

the best thing to do for aiming is to mark where your beam is concentrated on a wall (or garage door) with your current bulbs. don't move the car and install the HID's. youll see the new pattern on the wall once you install the HID's, id aim the main focus of teh beam pattern to about the same level as the old ones, or a bit lower.

its not an exact science.

and yes, you'll notice a difference between your halogens...just don't get a stupid blue colour.

i have customers asking me all the time if the higher the colour temp the brighter they are. all 35w hid's are the same brightness. its the colour that makes the difference in visibilty at night. imagine looking around your house at night with a flashlight with a white bulb....now imagine looking around the house with a blue or purple filter on it.....the white will be superior.

personally i ONLY run 4300k or 5000k in the headlights and my preference is 3000k in the fogs.

but to each their own...i sell a lot of 8000k, 10000k, 12000k HID's

[canadave]

So, for us people clueless about HID's....a lower temperature bulb (3500-5000) will always be whiter than a higher temperature bulb?

Also, just to confirm...you're saying there are HID's, such as the other person's LiTech HID's, that install just like regular bulbs? no special harness/wiring needed?

[vibenvy]

the best thing to do for aiming is to mark where your beam is concentrated on a wall (or garage door) with your current bulbs. don't move the car and install the HID's. youll see the new pattern on the wall once you install the HID's, id aim the main focus of teh beam pattern to about the same level as the old ones, or a bit lower.

its not an exact science.

and yes, you'll notice a difference between your halogens...just don't get a stupid blue colour.

i have customers asking me all the time if the higher the colour temp the brighter they are. all 35w hid's are the same brightness. its the colour that makes the difference in visibilty at night. imagine looking around your house at night with a flashlight with a white bulb....now imagine looking around the house with a blue or purple filter on it.....the white will be superior.

personally i ONLY run 4300k or 5000k in the headlights and my preference is 3000k in the fogs.

but to each their own...i sell a lot of 8000k, 10000k, 12000k HID's

Thanks for the tips! No crazy colored HIDs for me ! I am thinking 3000k for the fogs and 5000k for the low beams, 35 watts for both. It should pretty much look like the halogen setup I have right now which I really like the look of... amber marker lights, white headlights and yellow fogs !

BTW... is DDM Tuning still a good place to get HIDs from? I know a couple years ago, everyone was recommending them, but than a while back I started reading on a couple differnet forums that their products and service had started to decline in quality.

[thebarber]

I hear mixed reviews about ddm these days. The real kicker is always warranty issues...you have to send them the part and they test it then send you a new part back...can take a month to turn around a part

All HID's, especially for 9006, should be completely plug-n-play

[vibenvy]

Just placed my order with DDM Tuning.... 35w 3000k H10/9145 HIDs for the fog lights and 35w 5000k 9006 HIDs for the low beam headlights ($81.86 shipped). Once I receive the HIDs and get them installed, I am thinking I am going to order a pair of these to replace the high beam bulbs (even though my DRLs are disabled).

[09vGT]

Just placed my order with DDM Tuning.... 35w 3000k H10/9145 HIDs for the fog lights and 35w 5000k 9006 HIDs for the low beam headlights ($81.86 shipped). Once I receive the HIDs and get them installed, I am thinking I am going to order a pair of these to replace the high beam bulbs (even though my DRLs are disabled).

You finally gave in! I've yet to install mine. I need to get on that.

[thebarber]

I have yet to find an led worth putting in a headlight...they're never even as bright as halogens...

[lowincash]

I have yet to find an led worth putting in a headlight...they're never even as bright as halogens...

I don't think LED's are that bright for headlights. I was in my friend's 2014 lexus IS350 f package that has the LED headlights and it's pretty dim compared to my HID set up. He too was a bit disappointed since his old TL's reflector HID was brighter. Would be interesting to retrofit one of those LED headlights into the vibe

[thebarber]

I can get the high wattage led bulbs that slot into halogen sockets. I haven't used them yet, but my partner in Ottawa has. He says they're not as bright as HID's, UT brighter than halogens. Currently they're only avaialble in single beam bulbs...so no high beam for h4

That said, I find hids in projectors SEEM dimmer than hids in reflector housing's due to the cutoff...

[vibenvy]

You finally gave in! I've yet to install mine. I need to get on that.

Yes, I finally gave in ! Worst case scenario, if I'm not happy with them, I will just sell them. What color did you get and did you get them for just the low beams or the fog lights too? You need to get them installed! From everything I've seen, they're super easy to install. I'm already planning on putting the ballasts for the low beams behind the little black plastic pieces along the fenders in the engine bay and the ballasts for the fog lights will go somewhere behind the bumper cover where they will be protected from water, etc. I'll be sure to post pictures and perhaps a how-to once I get them installed.

As far as the LED bulbs for the high beams, they will be mostly for looks and basically just to fill the need for a bulb in the high beam harnesses. According to everything I've ever seen online, I shouldn't really need to use high beams if I have HIDs in the low beams and fogs.

[09vGT]

Yes, I finally gave in ! Worst case scenario, if I'm not happy with them, I will just sell them. What color did you get and did you get them for just the low beams or the fog lights too? You need to get them installed! From everything I've seen, they're super easy to install. I'm already planning on putting the ballasts for the low beams behind the little black plastic pieces along the fenders in the engine bay and the ballasts for the fog lights will go somewhere behind the bumper cover where they will be protected from water, etc. I'll be sure to post pictures and perhaps a how-to once I get them installed.

As far as the LED bulbs for the high beams, they will be mostly for looks and basically just to fill the need for a bulb in the high beam harnesses. According to everything I've ever seen online, I shouldn't really need to use high beams if I have HIDs in the low beams and fogs.

I got the 6000K. I got one installed and it seemed a little loose in the housing. I took them out. Accessing the bulbs is a huge pain (for me). I'm waiting for a friend to put them in since he works on cars a lot.

I got them just for the low beams. Since the fogs look yellowish compared to the HID's I may get some for the fogs if it bugs me too much.

I'll be looking for your pictures and/or how-to!

[XRVibe10]

I have had my current lighting setup (Nokya hyper yellow Stage 1 bulbs in the fog lights and Sylvania SilverStar zXe bulbs in the low and high beam headlights) for a little over a year now, so I am expecting at least one of the bulbs to be burning out soon, so I have been considering getting some HID bulbs from DDM Tuning (35w - 3000k for fog lights and 5000k for low beams). I have a question for you though: 1.) How much did you aim your headlights down i.e. one full turn of the adjustment knob, etc.? I would really like to give HIDs a try to see if all the hype is true, but I don't want to be one of those idiots driving around blinding everyone else on the road. Thanks in advance!

Sorry for the late reply - my adjustment wasn't so much of how many turns as that may vary on how the headlamps were aimed originally - I parked about 25 ft or so away from a wall (nice flat floors in the shop!) & did my adjustment that way. I made sure both sides were level & not up too high or straight forward - there is a proper procedure if you really want to aim your headlamps, but I don't think they apply to HID's, only Halogen - Hope you HID's worked out for you!

So, for us people clueless about HID's....a lower temperature bulb (3500-5000) will always be whiter than a higher temperature bulb?

Also, just to confirm...you're saying there are HID's, such as the other person's LiTech HID's, that install just like regular bulbs? no special harness/wiring needed?

The Litech brand I have comes with the required ballasts & harnesses to plug & play into your factory connectors - depending on the brand (or if you have DRL's on that circuit), you may also have to purchase a relay kit that supplies 12V directly to the system, using the factory connectors as a trigger signal only (I didn't have to use it with my kit, but I have seen cheap kits that needed the harness as the lights would not ignite (HID's like 12V supply) - My 6000K have a white/slight blue tint & my 3000K are yellow, the yellow in the fogs are bright as daylight - the 3000-6000K range is the best for light (8000-10000 are very blue & 12000+ starts getting purple, looks cool, but absolutly no visible light out put) - Hope this helps

[vibenvy]

So, I received my HIDs (from China ) this past week. I got the low beams installed the other night without any issues. I mounted the ballasts and whatever the other little black boxes are with 3M Super Strong Molding Tape to the inside of the fenders right near the headlights (the wire on the plug that connects to the headlight harness plug is really short!). I parked the Vibe about 20 feet from the garage door and adjusted the HIDs down a little so they were about even with the halogen beam. They light up fine and are very bright.

Now, about the fog lights. I started working on these last night. On the 9006 bulbs, there were two extra wires that were not needed so on their site DDM recommends just cutting these wires off. Well, I stupidly assumed it was the same for the H10 / 9145 bulbs, so I cut the wires on one of them and than installed it. Well, there was no light so I figured I had messed up and those two wires were actually needed for the H10 / 9145 setup. No big deal, I got out the b u t t connectors, spliced the wires back together and wrapped everything in electrical tape. I re-installed the bulb and still no light, so I'm thinking the bulb and/or wiring is probably just shot and I will need to order a new set of bulbs. The other bulb that I did not cut the wires on installed fine and lights up, but it flickers. I looked up troubleshooting info on DDM's website last night. It says something about flickering being caused by the vehicle not being able to provide enough power to properly fire the HIDs, blah, blah, blah. This ticks me off because the HIDs are 35 watts and the halogen bulbs are 45 watts. This to me means there should be more than enough power to properly fire everything up. I am extremely bummed out right now and am wishing I would have went with another brand of HIDs . If anyone has any advice, comments, etc., I'd really appreciate it.

@ the barber: What brand of HIDs do you sell? What are your prices? How do I order? I am thinking now that I may just cut my losses on the H10 setup, try to sell the 9006 setup and just buy some HIDs from you...

[thebarber]

I sell the same stuff from China (+/-)

Sounds like you need a pair of capacitors for the fogs...often called anti-flicker devices. I sell them for $20/pair(locally). Dont get too bummed out, cars and hids are a bit of a crap shoot...some models of cars have issues, some don't. Anyone else run hid fogs in an 09gt?

[ajb812]

Anyone else run hid fogs in an 09gt?

Yep - I've had DDM HIDs in my lows and fogs for 3+ years now with no flickering or any other issues...

[vibenvy]

Thanks for the info guys! I haven't had time to mess with the fog lights since I installed them, but I should have time tomorrow after work finally. I am going to swap the bulbs between the ballasts and see what happens. Also, on DDM's website, one of the things they recommend for troubleshooting of flickering is to test the HIDs directly to the battery to see whether it's the bulb/ballast or the vehicle itself. How would I go about doing this i.e. what would need to get touched to the battery terminals, etc.? Thanks for any further help, info, etc. I'll keep you guys updated on what happens.

[vibenvy]

Well, I finally had time today to mess with the HIDs in the fog lights. I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I got the one bulb that I had cut the wires on to work by reversing the connector plug! The bad news is that both bulbs are still flickering on start up, so I guess I am going to have to order some sort of capacitors like thebarber mentioned.

@ thebarber: Would these be the same as the capacitors/anti-flicker devices you mentioned?

[thebarber]

these be the same as the capacitors/anti-flicker devices you mentioned?

thats them

[vibenvy]

Thanks barber!

I went ahead and ordered a pair of the error code eliminators and a pair of the LED bulbs for the high beam headlights from DDM this past Saturday. They are currently on their way from China.

I have been using the fog lights because they only flicker for a second or two until they get warmed up. Once they're warmed up, they're fine. I am really loving having HIDs !

[vibenvy]

Here's the latest with my fog light HID issues...

I had used the fog lights a couple times to drive at night over the past couple weeks. I figured it wouldn't hurt anything because they only flicker for a couple seconds until they get warmed up, than they're fine. Last Sunday my parents and I were coming home and it was toward sunset and was cloudy so I was driving with the parking lights and fog lights on. Everything was fine until we were driving in downtown Sandwich toward a storefront that's all glass and I noticed that the driver's side fog light was no longer lit up (this is the one that I had to splice back together after I cut the wires on it accidentally). I immediately turned them off, but when I did, the fog light warning light on the gauges kind of faded off instead of turning off immediately. I thought "Uh oh! That's not good!" Fast forward to Wednesday night. I finally had time to install the error code eliminators. I got the one on the driver's side installed and turned the fog light switch on to check it. Both fog lights lit up and low and behold, the driver's side one did not flicker! I than went to work on installing the passenger side one. I got it installed and again went to turn the switch on to check it. Nothing. No lit up fog lights and no fog light warning light on the gauges. At this point I was very annoyed and worried that I had fried the wiring for the fog lights. I immediately pulled the cover off the fuse box in the engine and switched the fuse for the fog lights with another fuse of the same amperage. Still nothing. Next, I got down and switched the fuse under the dash with another fuse of the same amperage. The fog lights themselves and the warning light all lit up. Thank goodness it was only a blown fuse! I decided for now to remove all the HID stuff and put the Nokya halogen bulbs back in until I get this situation resolved.

@ thebarber: Do you think the blown fuse was the result of running the HIDs without the error code eliminators? Do you think if I re-install everything with the error code eliminators everything will be alright and function normally? Should I add slightly higher amperage fuses for the fog lights? A blown fuse is not a big deal, but I definitely don't want to burn up the wiring or do any other major damage. I really appreciate your help. Thanks in advance.

[thebarber]

Sometimes if voltage spikes, it'll trip the fuse

I'd run them with the warning cancellers...

[vibenvy]

Update on my seemingly never ending fog light HID saga ...

Yesterday I replaced the fog light fuses under the dash and under the hood with 5 amp larger fuses (15 --> 20 under the dash & 10 --> 15 under the hood). I than installed everything together (HID kit and anti-flicker devices). I flipped the fog light switch on and they were still flickering ! So, I decided to test the ballasts and bulbs with the headlight HID stuff since the HIDs in the low beams have been working flawlessly ever since the initial installation. First I tested the ballasts. No flickering of the bulbs, so than I tested the bulbs. Sure enough they flickered! So, the problem is obviously with the bulbs. I didn't bother contacting DDM about the issue because I had mistakenly cut the wires and had to re-splice them, so I just went ahead and ordered a new pair of bulbs for the fog lights since they're currently on sale for $12.00 a pair. I also ordered a pair of 4500k bulbs for the low beams as the 5000k still seem a little too blue for my liking. Now comes the hard part of waiting. I am hoping once the new bulbs arrive that everything works properly and maybe I won't even need the anti-flicker devices *fingers crossed*. Will keep you updated.

[vibenvy]

Installed the 4500k HID bulbs in the low beams yesterday. The color looks exactly the same as the 5000k . No big deal, just a little disappointing.

Now for the fog lights... before I bothered putting the Vibe on the ramps and removing the splash shields and all, I figured I'd hook the fog light bulbs up to the ballasts for the low beams to see whether they flicker or not. They did not flicker, so I'm thinking, "Great! I'm finally going to have super bright HID fog lights to go with the super bright HID low beams!" Unfortunately, once I got everything hooked up and turned the fog light switch on, they were flickering. I then added the anti-flicker devices and they were still flickering ! I am really annoyed. I don't understand why other 2009-2010 Vibe GT owners here have DDM HIDs in their fog lights without issue. The only difference I can think of is that I did the independent fog light mod, but still, 9145 / H10 halogen bulbs are 45 watts I believe and the HIDs are 35 watts. I've never had any issues with halogen bulbs and I've had the independent fog light mod done for 4+ years now.

If anyone has any advice, suggestions, etc. I would really appreciate it. Looks like I'll be sticking with my trusty Nokyas for a while longer at least .

[vibenvy]

After messing around with the fog light HID kit again today and not getting anywhere, I finally decided to give in and send a message to DDM. It will be interesting to see what their response is...

To whom it may concern:

I placed an order on August 31, 2013 for two of your 35w slim ballast HID kits; 1 - #9006 (5000k) and 1 - #9145/H10 (3000k). About two weeks later, I received both kits. Within a couple days I had the #9006 kit installed in the low beam headlights of my 2009 Pontiac Vibe GT. They were just as great as I have been reading online for the past few years; very bright, great color, easy to install, great price, etc. After another day or two I got around to installing the #9145/H10 kit in the fog lights of the same vehicle. After looking at your install instructions for #9005/#9006/#H10 bulbs, I cut and removed the unnecessary wires from one of the #9145/H10 bulbs as I had done with both of the #9006 bulbs. I proceeded to mount the ballast and igniter on the driver’s side and get everything hooked up. When I flipped the fog light switch on, the bulb immediately started flickering. I thought I had screwed up by removing the extra wires, so I spliced them back together and re-installed everything. The bulb still flickered. I thought maybe installing the passenger side bulb would make a difference, so I did that and now they both flickered. I messed around with all the connections and all and the bulbs were still flickering. After reading through your troubleshooting articles, etc. I figured I must just need error code eliminators, so on September 28, 2013 I placed an order for a pair of error code eliminators thinking these would solve the flickering problem. About two weeks later the error code eliminators arrived. I once again installed the #9145/H10 kit, this time along with the error code eliminators and the bulbs were still flickering. I did all the usual testing of the ballasts and bulbs. I switched everything around with the stuff for the low beam headlights since I have not had any issues whatsoever with them. The ballasts were fine, but the bulbs were still flickering, so my next logical thought was that either I had screwed the bulbs up by removing and then re-splicing the extra wires or the bulbs were bad, so I went ahead and ordered a new pair of #9145/H10 bulbs on October 27, 2013. These new bulbs arrived a week or two ago. Before I messed with putting my vehicle up on ramps and removing splash shields, etc. to get to the fog lights, I decided I would test the new bulbs with the ballasts for the #9006 kit. The bulbs did not flicker, so I proceeded to put my vehicle up on the ramps, remove splash shields, etc. I hooked everything up and the bulbs were flickering. I have tried with the error code eliminators and without. With the extra wires connected and without. I have tried everything I could possibly think of as far as the connections are concerned. Today I decided to hook up one of the #9006 bulbs to a ballast and the wiring for the fog light. Lo and behold, it lit up and did not flicker. Unfortunately the #9006 bulb will not fit into the #9145/H10 housing. I am totally lost as to why I have not had any issues with the #9006 kit in the low beam headlights and why the #9006 kit worked fine and did not flicker when connected to the factory fog light plug, but why I am getting flickering with the #9145/H10 kit. Also, I know of quite a few fellow 2009 Pontiac Vibe GT owners who have your HID kits in their vehicles and have not had any issues with the #9145/H10 bulbs flickering in the fog lights. I appreciate any advice, etc. you can give me. I am completely satisfied with your #9006 kit that is installed in my low beam headlights and would just like to have the same great quality, super bright lighting for my fog lights as well. I also have a second vehicle that I would like to add your #9006 and #9145/H10 kits to as well (assuming I can get this issue resolved). Thank you very much for your help.

[thebarber]

Try the h10 on your 9006 wiring to see if it flickers? Try it with different ballasts...both the ones that work on your 9006 and the ones that came with your h10's. If im reading it all correctly the 9006's work fine on your fog wiring, so either the bulbs or the ballasts are the issue in the h10 kit...right?

[vibenvy]

Last weekend I finally had enough time to mess around with the HIDs in the fog lights again. After doing every possible combination of bulb, ballast, location, ignition on, ignition off, etc. it seems one of the bulbs is bad . I am going to submit a warranty claim with DDM since this is the second pair of bulbs I've had. If this third pair of bulbs doesn't work out, I will be sticking with the Nokya yellow halogen bulbs.

[vibenvy]

An update on my fog light HID saga...

I ended up not submitting a warranty claim with DDM. I just switched back to the Nokya bulbs for a while. A few weeks ago I decided to order a wiring harness from eBay as a last resort. It arrived and I installed it. Got everything all hidden nicely and all, turned the fog lights on and the bulbs still flickered ! After PMing back and forth with XRVibe10 a couple times, I decided that the DDM #9145 / H10 bulbs must just be cr@p, so I ordered a pair from hid-led-outlet-store on eBay (same place I ordered the wiring harness from - $12.95 a pair with free shipping). The bulbs arrived within a couple days (instead of a couple weeks like DDM) and came from California (not China like DDM). There was an immediate visual difference between the two brands of bulbs, the ones from eBay are significantly shorter then the DDM ones (the bulb itself). This gave me hope that they would work, so I got to work installing them. I got everything all connected, turned the fog lights on and... THEY DON'T FLICKER! I was able to hook them up just like the HIDs in the low beams are hooked up (factory plugs connected to ballasts and amp connectors on bulbs connected to igniters). I was also able to remove the wiring harness which was nice (no more extra wiring all over the place behind the bumper cover). I am so happy that all my lighting is finally working properly! I'm taking the Vibe out for a cruise in a bit to see how they are at night while driving !

[thebarber]

happy its all working for you now!

[vibenvy]

An update on my fog light HID saga...

I ended up not submitting a warranty claim with DDM. I just switched back to the Nokya bulbs for a while. A few weeks ago I decided to order a wiring harness from eBay as a last resort. It arrived and I installed it. Got everything all hidden nicely and all, turned the fog lights on and the bulbs still flickered ! After PMing back and forth with XRVibe10 a couple times, I decided that the DDM #9145 / H10 bulbs must just be cr@p, so I ordered a pair from hid-led-outlet-store on eBay (same place I ordered the wiring harness from - $12.95 a pair with free shipping). The bulbs arrived within a couple days (instead of a couple weeks like DDM) and came from California (not China like DDM). There was an immediate visual difference between the two brands of bulbs, the ones from eBay are significantly shorter then the DDM ones (the bulb itself). This gave me hope that they would work, so I got to work installing them. I got everything all connected, turned the fog lights on and... THEY DON'T FLICKER! I was able to hook them up just like the HIDs in the low beams are hooked up (factory plugs connected to ballasts and amp connectors on bulbs connected to igniters). I was also able to remove the wiring harness which was nice (no more extra wiring all over the place behind the bumper cover). I am so happy that all my lighting is finally working properly! I'm taking the Vibe out for a cruise in a bit to see how they are at night while driving !

Well, we are once again back to using the Nokyas in the fog lights of both Vibes. A couple weeks ago, my mom was driving behind me in her Vibe and I noticed her fog lights were a very odd orangeish color instead of the yellow they're supposed to be. It looked horrible, so I decided to remove the HIDs from the fog lights of both Vibes and switch back to the Nokyas for the time being. I am going to try some Morimoto Elite 3Five 3000k HID bulbs and see if they make a difference. They go for $30.00-$40.00 a pair on eBay, so I am hoping paying a little more for a great brand like Morimoto will make a difference. If for whatever reason, I'm not happy with the color of the 3000k bulbs from Morimoto, I am just going to stick some 5000k bulbs in the fog lights and be done with it.

On a bit of a side note, we are still running DDM Tuning 35w 5000k HID bulbs in the low beam headlights of both Vibes and have had absolutely zero issues with them. Wish I could say the same for the fog lights .