Is the VIBE supercharger available yet?

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:13 pm

Anyone know an actual part number, price, or web site with that info on it?I'm about one salesman's call away from trading the Vibe in for a Nissan Murano. The whole reason I accepted the base Vibe's wimpy motor was because of the "any day now" promise of a supercharger for it. It's been almost a year now.KSNeptune

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:53 pm

Nothing official yet, but as the TRD supercharger already been released, the Pontiac blower should be avaiable soon....

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:30 am

quote:Anyone know an actual part number, price, or web site with that info on it?I'm about one salesman's call away from trading the Vibe in for a Nissan Murano. The whole reason I accepted the base Vibe's wimpy motor was because of the "any day now" promise of a supercharger for it. It's been almost a year now.KSNeptune It's scheduled to be released the day after you trade yours in. Sorry, couldn't resist.

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:00 am

I sent an email to nina price, and today got this reply:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------The part number is unavailable at this time. The Vibe Supercharger isscheduled to be available this month. Please contact me in a few weeks and I should be able to provide you with a part number. Thanks.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------We'll see.KSNeptune

grumpyx · Post by **grumpyx** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:51 am

The part number is available on http://www.gmpartsdirect.com under acccessories for either the 2004 or 2003 vibe. But no info or price yet.

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:20 am

Could you be more specific? I tried that link, and no supercharger for a vibe could be found.KSNeptune

grumpyx · Post by **grumpyx** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:34 am

from their site under accessories for vibe 2004:12498927 Supercharger Accessory Kit Enhances engine performance by increasing Horsepower and Foot/ Torque. Grumpy

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 8:37 am

Thanks. I just didn't search the right path. Interesting that when you click on the part number, it lead to a page that says No Part can be found that matches your search.Also interesting that the accessories list for '03 vibes is far longer than the lost for 04's. Do you suppose the 04 is so much different that most of the 03 gear won't work in it?KSNeptune.

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:13 am

Bump. How about today? Is the Vibe supercharger available yet TODAY?I've got the local nissan dealer working on how good of a trade he'll make me for a Murano. He's come down about $3000 since we first talked about the possibility a month ago. I figure if a new Murano is worth $10,000 more than my Vibe was new, any it would take me $3000 (supecharger) more to make me happy with my Vibe, then any trade with my Vibe and less than $10,000 will save me at least that $3000. And the Nissan dealer is "almost" there. I've resisted actually driving a murano though. The dealer and I BOTH know that the minute I drive one I'll be a sure bet to buy one. But if they'd sell me a danged supercharger for the Vibe I'd forget all about needing a Murano.Time will tell, I suppose.KSNeptune

QUIKAG · Post by **QUIKAG** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:28 am

Murano is nice, and that 3.5L V6 should be as fast or faster than a base supercharged Vibe. A lot more torque too. That said, you don't want a Nissan spaceship, do you?

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:25 pm

quote:Bump. How about today? Is the Vibe supercharger available yet TODAY?I've got the local nissan dealer working on how good of a trade he'll make me for a Murano. He's come down about $3000 since we first talked about the possibility a month ago. I figure if a new Murano is worth $10,000 more than my Vibe was new, any it would take me $3000 (supecharger) more to make me happy with my Vibe, then any trade with my Vibe and less than $10,000 will save me at least that $3000. And the Nissan dealer is "almost" there. I've resisted actually driving a murano though. The dealer and I BOTH know that the minute I drive one I'll be a sure bet to buy one. But if they'd sell me a danged supercharger for the Vibe I'd forget all about needing a Murano.Time will tell, I suppose.KSNeptuneI really like the Murano. I think it has a nice look to it. Financially though, I think you'd take a pretty big loss by trading your Vibe in so soon. The SC should be out very soon and it is worth it!

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:47 pm

Besides my Vibe I've got an '85.5 Nissan Pickup and an '02 Nissan Altima. Both were brand new designs from the ground up when I bought them. Never had a reason to complain about either. If I didn't have the Altima (wife's daily driver) I'd probably be content with the Base Vibe's performance. But with the Altima's 175hp and torqish 4 cylinder I know how much much nicer the added performance is in traffic and on the highway. The Murano has Nissan's even better 6 cylinder engine, similar versatility to the Vibe (although larger with more space) and is a also brand new (and very unique) design that appeals to me.I'm still under 3000 miles with the Vibe. The Pontiac dealer I bought it from is owned by the same person that owns the Nissan dealership here. So since I bought the Altima from them two years ago, and the Vibe a year ago, they know the both cars and have gotten good business from me. That in mind, the salesman that I bought the Altima from has already said he'd give me nearly what I paid for the Vibe in exchange for a Murano since he knows it would sell quickly as a low mileage '03 at the pontiac location. I KNEW I'd need the supercharger in a base vibe to make me happy performance wise. And I bought the Vibe with the "promise" that the SC would be available "any day now". I would'nt be so interested in trading for a Murano if they (GM/Pontiac) would have just been true to their promise. But they weren't...several times.The Nissan salesman is bringing a Blue Murano over for me to test drive this saturday. He's convinced He can make me a deal (a trade) I can't refuse. We'll see.KSNeptune

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:59 pm

The main thing is to drive what you'll be happy with. Personally, I think the Murano is very nice. On a side note, I wouldn't be too harsh with Pontiac. TRD is the one that was responsible for delaying the SC. I wonder if Pontiac will improve the hp numbers by using a different ECU. Maybe that's what the hold up is.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:48 pm

quote:The Nissan salesman is bringing a Blue Murano over for me to test drive this saturday. He's convinced He can make me a deal (a trade) I can't refuse. We'll see.KSNeptuneif you let that guy come over, it will be all over for you!...unless the payments are way to high!...those Muranos have tha 350z motor in it dont they?...245hp? something like that....Its kind of a shame in a way, because your on the brink of getting the sc...I cant really imagine that it will be that much longer since the trd versoin is out now, and these sc vibes show up and those Vibe rallys....I cant see you being un happy w/ the murano if the price is right, but, you are sooooo close to the SC window....I mean really , I know thay have been promising for a year now, and ....well....I guess I didnot wait so I should talk LOL, but it will be out ....and very very soon....JUst postpone the murano man a month.....

bellwilliam · Post by **bellwilliam** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 6:29 am

anyone knows the price for the Matrix TRD supercharger?

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:48 am

I got an email from the parts manager working at my local Pontiac dealer today. He said he's been working non-stop for the past week trying to nail down when the superchargers will show up and how much they will cost. The result? He doesn't know a date and won't know the price until they become available.Sounds very familiar. KSNeptune

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:39 am

Update:I recieved this after I posted the above info. Steve is the localParts manager. Katie McBride is his contact at GM. Nina Price Is apparently the performance parts contact : ------------------------------------------------------------Subject: RE: vibe superchargerSteve, It seems as though I responded to you some time ago. However, if I didn't what was your request? If it was in regards to the availability of the supercharger, it is scheduled to be available at the end of this month.----- Forwarded by Nina Price/US/GM/GMC on 09/15/2003 10:26 AM ---------- Forwarded by Katie McBride/US/GM/GMC on 09/12/2003 12:59 PM -----We'll see. KSNeptune

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:18 pm

Pontiac is not going to get my money for a supercharger anymore, I'm done waiting for GM. I'm going for the Turbo!

GlenW · Post by **GlenW** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:20 am

I found some info that you may want to try and find out more regarding the supercharger. The contact is TRD USA355 E. Baker StreetCosta Mesa, CA 92626714.444.1188I'm not sure if this info will do any good but may be worth a try.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:06 pm

GlenW, welcome to genvibe!I've seen somewhere, but can't find it, that there may be issues using the TRD supercharger in the Vibe because of differences in the computer/ECU/PCM, whatever between the matrix and Vibe, don't know if that's a valid concern or not though.

GlenW · Post by **GlenW** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:37 am

The part number that everyone is refering to is the TRD supercharger. I have access to the GM system and that is what I found. The SQE's name from GM is in there as well but I can't give his name or contact information out.

Post by **NSimkins** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:42 am

The GM SuperCharger has just recently been officially released, but I will not get official details on this until this Friday. I'll post an update when I hear news.

Zman · Post by **Zman** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:35 am

As a GM Dealership employee....It is ready and you can order it now. I would be happy to get you in touch with our parts dept. to order one as I have already ordered mine for my 2004 Vibe base with Sport Appearance Pkg./Moons and Tunes/ AT trans/Satellite. I can hear the beautiful sound of it now. Now if I can be patient enough to wait for our service dept. to bolt it on.

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:17 pm

OK, Zman... How good of a deal can you convince your parts manager to price the supercharger kit for, for self-installers? "Available" is nice info to know. But actual cost for both dealer-install and self-install would be nice too.KSNeptune

satur9 · Post by **satur9** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:03 am

werd!

Zman · Post by **Zman** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:30 am

I'll talk to our owner on Monday and let everybody know if we can work something out. How many people would be interested if I can get you a discount off the retail price? If I know an estimate of how many, I might convince him for a better discount. Our Parts Manager should know a ship date for mine on Monday too

tbm34 · Post by **tbm34** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 3:27 am

Anymore SC info available? It has been a couple of Mondays already.

Celtic_Curse · Post by **Celtic_Curse** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:11 am

quote:Pontiac is not going to get my money for a supercharger anymore, I'm done waiting for GM. I'm going for the Turbo! I'm with you, you can buy the parts a bit at a time and upgrade lots with Turbo's, besides the Turbo will generate way more power, and they now have a prototype ecotech with Turbo straight from GM's performance division. Had the S/C been available well Gm would have got the money now alll the aftermarket folks will.

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:39 am

Here's some good news/bad news on the supercharger: Note that it's only released for the 1zz auto /2WD!: ($US) PONTIAC HOT SHEET - October 2, 2003|---+---------------------------------------------------------+-----------| | | Item | Reference ||---+---------------------------------------------------------+-----------|| !|---+---------------------------------------------------------+-----------|| ! | Vibe Supercharger Kit Available Now ... through GM | || | Accessories, part# 12498927. The MSRP is $2,995 plus | || | installation. It is available for 2003 and 2004 base | || | model vehicles equipped with 4-speed automatic | || | transmission only, it's not available on AWD, GT, or | || | base models equipped with 5-speed manual transmission. | || | The supercharger increases engine output to as much as | || | 170 hp at 6800 rpm and 150 ft.-lb. of torque at 4600 | || | rpm. 0 to 60 acceleration time improves from 9.0 secs. | || | to 8.3 secs. | |

MonotoneSatellite · Post by **MonotoneSatellite** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 10:41 pm

Auto only. Wow. That sux. Wonder why that is. The SC for the Matrix is for both transmissions. I wonder what the difference is?Ah well, its a turbo for me.

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:23 am

Toyota released SC for Matrix with 2 different ECU, depending of the tranny. May be GM has different part number for auto and manual like Toyota.I hope so.....

MonotoneSatellite · Post by **MonotoneSatellite** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 1:41 am

quote:Toyota released SC for Matrix with 2 different ECU, depending of the tranny. May be GM has different part number for auto and manual like Toyota.I hope so.....I hope you are right. I would rather have the SC, but I have a five speed. If the SC is never released for the manual, then turbo it is.

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 1:48 am

quote:Toyota released SC for Matrix with 2 different ECU, depending of the tranny. May be GM has different part number for auto and manual like Toyota.I hope so.....I hope you are right. I would rather have the SC, but I have a five speed. If the SC is never released for the manual, then turbo it is.And turbo whould be cheaper... but no more warranty on the engine.May be they are suspecting excessive wear on the clutch once a SC is installed...

MonotoneSatellite · Post by **MonotoneSatellite** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:16 am

The warranty is the main issue in my case. My Vibe (as I suspect most of yours are) is my only car. If I blow the engine with an aftermarket bolt on, I am up a river without a paddle. If the clutch can't handle the strain, fine. But I wish Pontiac would be more open with progress/info.

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:03 am

I'll see my dealer tomorrow to alligne my wheels and oil change.I'll ask part guy about SC.

KSNeptune · Post by **KSNeptune** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:21 am

My dealer emailed me today. He said:JUST HEARD FROM GM, THE PRICE IS $2995.00 + LABOR. STILL NO ETA ON AVAIL OF IT YET. SHOULD BE SOON.Now we just need to know what the labor cost to install will be. Any clues, anyone?

satur9 · Post by **satur9** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:30 am

one of the matrix guys was 2995 installed the install was 500$.but heres more good news one of the matrix guys is working on a upgraded 9psi pulley.(raam the guy with the 300+hp turbo.)anyway he said theyll probably ditch the stock piggyback since it sucks with the new pulley and provide a new one that works on all 1zzs. being that the trd supecharger is cheaper it seems you may be able to get the charger plus upgrade for what pontiac is charging alone(OPTIMISTICLY). youre still on your own for install and the upgrade might void warrenty(seems the stock pulley has special markings on it or something so dont throw it away) if the find out about the upgrade.no official figures on the pulley yet but it has been tested.

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:17 am

quote:Here's the one we saw at the NY meet, enjoy.My GT was still superior.. Say, there was some talk earlier that CAIs didn't fit/weren't available with the SC, but there appears to be one in this shot.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:19 pm

quote:one of the matrix guys was 2995 installed the install was 500$.but heres more good news one of the matrix guys is working on a upgraded 9psi pulley.(raam the guy with the 300+hp turbo.)anyway he said theyll probably ditch the stock piggyback since it sucks with the new pulley and provide a new one that works on all 1zzs. being that the trd supecharger is cheaper it seems you may be able to get the charger plus upgrade for what pontiac is charging alone(OPTIMISTICLY). youre still on your own for install and the upgrade might void warrenty(seems the stock pulley has special markings on it or something so dont throw it away) if the find out about the upgrade.no official figures on the pulley yet but it has been tested. I guess those guys on the matrix site buy the trd sc because they want the carb legal sticker out here in california...I have been meaning to pm Rick to ask him "why not just start from scratch with an eaton roots SC and build from there?"..they are changing the pulley size,...throwing out the trd tuned fuel ratio and timing box, and changing the fifth injector.I cant remember the model #'s for the eaton roots blowers , but I think that it is something like m45, then M60? then M90???...any way the trd/ pontiac kit is the m45 one I believe.....Mike Stafford, the man who Installed my turbo, Has kicked around the Idea w/ me to put on the middle model M60?? on my Vibe to set up his own SC kit for our car!..but he says that the larger sc would be the way to go..It would probalbly run around 2k for the SC alone, but then to fabricate every thing , and run the fuel management, you would get up over 3k again..but atleast your are not starting at 3k and then changing every thing over..and still voiding warranties and carb stuff.....and not onlythat, but w/ the larger unit , you will get more cfm at a cooler temp= more power...just my 2cents

Pablo1669 · Post by **Pablo1669** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:05 pm

[QUOTE]Auto only. Wow. That sux. Wonder why that is. The SC for the Matrix is for both transmissions. I wonder what the difference is? /QUOTE]The difference is that GM cares about the massive wheel hop problem that occurs with the 5 speed manual and the Supercharger, Toyota doesn't (which is why they released the SC for both). GM is currently working on new suspension bushings that will eliminate the wheel hop problems. They are working on it, and it will be released for the Base 5 speed soon enough. Don't go thinking GM doesn't care about their 5-speedersAlso, the reason the GM SC took a little while longer was because they use different ECMs. GM had to make different adjustments to their ECM programs than toyota did.

Sub-Vibe-R · Post by **Sub-Vibe-R** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:21 pm

I went to my dealer this morning for my oil change and wheel allignement.I asked the part guy about the SC on hte Vibe and hr starts laughing.He told me it is not for tomorrow. The SC on the Cavalier been released in 97 in US and it is available for 1 year in Canada, so do not hope getting one here for few years....GM Canada realy sucks

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:53 pm

quote:The difference is that GM cares about the massive wheel hop problem that occurs with the 5 speed manual and the Supercharger, Toyota doesn't (which is why they released the SC for both). GM is currently working on new suspension bushings that will eliminate the wheel hop problems. They are working on it, and it will be released for the Base 5 speed soon enough. Don't go thinking GM doesn't care about their 5-speedersAlso, the reason the GM SC took a little while longer was because they use different ECMs. GM had to make different adjustments to their ECM programs than toyota did.This kind of thinking is not practical!..Most people can't afford the sc kit AND a suspension upgrade...just release the kit! and have the suspension upgrade on the way..+ now more people will shy a way from the kit thinking "well, you have to get suspension upgrade tooo..its just not worth it!".......also , making more ecm upgrades does not take 2yrs...come on! ..I mean ...really.!

MonotoneSatellite · Post by **MonotoneSatellite** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:12 am

quote:The difference is that GM cares about the massive wheel hop problem that occurs with the 5 speed manual and the Supercharger, Toyota doesn't (which is why they released the SC for both). GM is currently working on new suspension bushings that will eliminate the wheel hop problems. They are working on it, and it will be released for the Base 5 speed soon enough. Don't go thinking GM doesn't care about their 5-speedersAlso, the reason the GM SC took a little while longer was because they use different ECMs. GM had to make different adjustments to their ECM programs than toyota did.Thanks for the 411. But I know I will not be able to afford the suspension bushings and the SC. So at this point I am out of the running for the SC. I wonder what the Saturn Ion Redline will retail for?

satur9 · Post by **satur9** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:21 am

raam is just one guy, hes making the stuff to help out the supercharged guys but he sells turbos also for those who want big power. fabricating brackets and a new manifold is big bucks. all he is doing is improving the original. the pulley buy itself is like 109$ on sale now and can be run with stock piggyback. but the upgrade provides more power. the fifth injector stays the same it runs pig rich and one guy just wanted to see if leaning it outa little(smaller injector) made more power. raam is also making headers exhaust and some stuff for the 2zz.there are better options for power out there but the supercharger upgrades can easily be returned to stock.,which counts for alot.

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:36 am

[QUOTE]Here's some good news/bad news on the supercharger: Note that it's only released for the 1zz auto /2WD!: ($US)...[QUOTE]And now here's some really bad news, for anyone North of the 49th parallel: I called a friend, who called a friend re the Canadian price for the SC kit. Are you sitting down? Five thousand nine hundred and fifty five dollars and sixty cents! What the ^%$#$?? That's 2x $US price, and that while the Canadian dollar today is ~ US$0.76! If there was ever any hope of a manual tranny version, who cares? Bringing one in from the US would probably void the warranty, and for sure couldn't be installed on the vehicle at delivery to get it on the monthly payment and be covered by the 3 year vehicle warranty.$cr***d again!

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:56 pm

quote:one of the matrix guys was 2995 installed the install was 500$.but heres more good news one of the matrix guys is working on a upgraded 9psi pulley.(raam the guy with the 300+hp turbo.)anyway he said theyll probably ditch the stock piggyback since it sucks with the new pulley and provide a new one that works on all 1zzs. being that the trd supecharger is cheaper it seems you may be able to get the charger plus upgrade for what pontiac is charging alone(OPTIMISTICLY). youre still on your own for install and the upgrade might void warrenty(seems the stock pulley has special markings on it or something so dont throw it away) if the find out about the upgrade.no official figures on the pulley yet but it has been tested. I guess those guys on the matrix site buy the trd sc because they want the carb legal sticker out here in california...I have been meaning to pm Rick to ask him "why not just start from scratch with an eaton roots SC and build from there?"..they are changing the pulley size,...throwing out the trd tuned fuel ratio and timing box, and changing the fifth injector.I cant remember the model #'s for the eaton roots blowers , but I think that it is something like m45, then M60? then M90???...any way the trd/ pontiac kit is the m45 one I believe.....Mike Stafford, the man who Installed my turbo, Has kicked around the Idea w/ me to put on the middle model M60?? on my Vibe to set up his own SC kit for our car!..but he says that the larger sc would be the way to go..It would probalbly run around 2k for the SC alone, but then to fabricate every thing , and run the fuel management, you would get up over 3k again..but atleast your are not starting at 3k and then changing every thing over..and still voiding warranties and carb stuff.....and not onlythat, but w/ the larger unit , you will get more cfm at a cooler temp= more power...just my 2cents I'm the one with the Matrix SC that had it tuned. Just want to clear up a couple of things. My car was used to set the system up so there was no charge for me. The SC as it comes from Toyota gives good performance but if I can safely maximize the power, I will. Toyota set the air/fuel ratio at 10:1. Way to rich, robbing hp. The TRD ECU was left in but dissconected from the 5th fuel injector. The fifth fuel injector was not switched out. That is one way to control the air/fuel ration but a new injector would be maxed out all the time. Could work over time but I think the TRD ECU would retard the timing until the ratio was at 10:1. I'm not sure exactly what what the tuner did because it was just done and I haven't had a chance to speak with him. The TRD ECU is important to leave in to control the electronic bypass valve. The TRD unit cuts boost from the 1st to 2nd shift in the auto and at the rev limiter. Kind of a pain but worth it to not stress the tranny. The reason TRD set the air/fuel ratio so high is because the high exhaust temps were burning out the cat over a period of time. Another problem with the SC is the stock exhaust is very restrictive. If you've ever seen a stock header, you know what I mean. Just the exhaust switch made a very noticable difference in the lower powerband. Now that the air/fuel ratio is running 12:1, the power is much better throughout the entire powerband. I still do have the carb sticker. The only thing I have to do when it comes time to get it smog checked is put the stock exhaust back on. Pretty easy because the new exhuast is a complete bolt-on system. Making it run leaner should actually make it easier to pass smog, not harder. As for the warranty, that's debatable. If something major happened, it would be very easy to switch it back to stock. Not really too worried about the warranty at this point though. It was getting in the way of what I wanted to do and kind of decided to stop worrying about it. To be honest though, the car will probably be more dependable now that it's properly tuned. Rick is selling a pulley. Ups the boost to 8.5-9 lbs. I tried it on and took it for a spin. Makes a difference. To do the pulley though, you'd have to add water injection. Not a big deal but it is another expense. I don't expect to get the pulley as I'm very happy with the power as it is. I don't want to push it to the max and then regret it later. 9 lbs. of boost is harder on the drivetrain than a turbo becuase of the low-end torque.

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:01 pm

quote:Auto only. Wow. That sux. Wonder why that is. The SC for the Matrix is for both transmissions. I wonder what the difference is? /QUOTE]The difference is that GM cares about the massive wheel hop problem that occurs with the 5 speed manual and the Supercharger, Toyota doesn't (which is why they released the SC for both). GM is currently working on new suspension bushings that will eliminate the wheel hop problems. They are working on it, and it will be released for the Base 5 speed soon enough. Don't go thinking GM doesn't care about their 5-speedersAlso, the reason the GM SC took a little while longer was because they use different ECMs. GM had to make different adjustments to their ECM programs than toyota did.I drove a 5 speed SC Matrix. There isn't a massive problem with wheel-hop. Not sure where you got that from. TRD made two different ECU's. One for the manual and one for the auto. My guess would be GM is still working on the ECU for the manual.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:27 pm

".....as I'm very happy with the power as it is"--Larry--Not if you keep hang'in with Rick! lol... just kidding , but it does seem easy to always want just a little bit more!

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:32 am

quote:".....as I'm very happy with the power as it is"--Larry--Not if you keep hang'in with Rick! lol... just kidding , but it does seem easy to always want just a little bit more! No kidding. Went for a cruise last night and an Infiniti G35 coupe was messing with me. We didn't really race but he let me know his car is faster. Kind of makes you think, "I wonder if that pulley would help me out in this situation?" It's weird how I get challenged by much faster cars. A Porche 911 took off on me a couple of weeks ago. Yesterday, a Mercedes sedan took off from a light to cut in from of me. He barely beat me with his V8 though. If I gunned it from the start, it may have been even. Started happening when I put some new Enkei's on. The car looked nicer with my chrome wheels but looks more racey with the Enkeis. Rick is doing an engine swap today so he can start the rebuild on his current engine. He's going to have a very fast Trix when it's all done! Could be a 350 whp or more monster! I'm trying to get some good info. on water injection. I'm getting different opinions. Some say I'd have to worry about hydrolock. From what I've read, that's only with a poor system or a DIY system. If you talk with Mr. Stafford, could you get his opinion? Thanks.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 8:44 am

The 1st time I went to Lacr...I won 6 out of 9 races, running about 8 psi and everything else on my car is stock..including tires...but I lost to a g35 coupe!....It was new and cost the guy over 30k...after we got back in line he asked me if my car was stock, cause he couldnt believe how I kept up with him!.When I said "yeah stock motor...no mods"..his face sank..then I said..." what you see on the stickers, is on the motor" then he laughed with relief...(Stafford Fabrication sticker has picture of a turbo on it)...anyway, Mike Stafford put Alcohol injection on the celica running 12psi...which I road in, ..this was stock internals...He was running straight alcohol...But I have read that you do not get any better protection after 50/50 ratio w/ water....anyways, there are different ways to set up the water injection, and I forget which way he did his, I believe he was using the ww resevior , and the water was injected right before the throttle body, but after the MAS, which is now along the IC plumbing...I believe it was an electric pump....Anyway...I would say he is for it!...and one of these days, I am putting it on my car...one of the days,,,,umh...yeah...one of these days..PS , the g35 coupe is 280hp at the crank..