Participating in the GenVibe Contest?

msmyer · Post by **msmyer** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:02 pm

Are you planning on participating in the shirt contest? http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=4892 I'd like to but don't know were to start! Any programs out there to "design" a graphic/logo?

MR_BKDW · Post by **MR_BKDW** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:25 pm

the best program for a t-shirt deisgn with limited colors is adobe illustrator or macromedia freehand it also could be done in flash. Photoshop is made to edit photos not design.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:15 pm

quote:Photoshop is made to edit photos not design.Wow, that's entirely so untrue, I am laughing right now.Photoshop is greatly about design. The program is used extensivly for the layouts of websites (http://www.rpgfan.com), for making extremely awesome images (http://www.deskmod.com and http://www.devientart.com) in addition to just editing photographs.Originaly, yea I guess you can say that the intentions of photoshop being created was to edit photographs, but it has taken off greatly since then. The program is used extensivly in design, and it's a great tool for that.Just ranting ... but that comment just erked me in a bad way.Good luck to those entering the contest

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:13 am

quote:http://www.devientart.com) in addition to just editing photographs.Careful....misspelling that gets you lots of *undesirable* pop-ups.I believe the site you mean is: http://www.deviantart.comBut otherwise, I completely agree with ya. Photoshop rocks. I just wish I knew how to use it better.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 4:28 am

quote:http://www.devientart.com) in addition to just editing photographs.Careful....misspelling that gets you lots of *undesirable* pop-ups.I believe the site you mean is: http://www.deviantart.comBut otherwise, I completely agree with ya. Photoshop rocks. I just wish I knew how to use it better. LOL! Oopsy. See, this is why I DO NOT wake up at 7:30AM during the summer - my brain shuts down till my normal wake-up time of 10AM Link fixed, no worries.I'm still technically a Photoshop newbie, but I can make some cool things with it!

*points to sig*

rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 4:39 am

quote:Link fixed, no worries.Thanks man! You had me worried there. I had like 9 pop-ups after clicking on your link.*thinking back during the Mi. meet.* Yeah this is cool. Hey, its Geo! Nice to meet you and mini. Wow! pals for life.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:51 am

(removed) (removed) I feel so ed here!!! This is what GenVibe is all about: enthusiasts getting together, talking about their cars, and making more friends in this ever-smaller-growing world! I'll relay the info to Mini-Geo for you guys Can't wait till the Ohio meet to see ya guys again, will be so much fun

(Rob, you're hiring the strippers, right?)

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:50 am

Can I veto the strippers?

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:40 am

I have this great program it"s called a pencil and paper and a scanner. come on now wheres your originality

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:45 am

quote:I have this great program it"s called a pencil and paper and a scanner. come on now wheres your originality Is it compatible with Windows XP?

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:14 pm

quote:I have this great program it"s called a pencil and paper and a scanner. come on now wheres your originality You know what, I did not think of that. I could even go to a print shop and see what they could cook up. Thanks.

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:06 pm

quote:You know what, I did not think of that. I could even go to a print shop and see what they could cook up. Thanks. I think the point of the contest is to have you, not your local print shop, design something.

Shadow Realm · Post by **Shadow Realm** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:14 pm

I agree! The contest should be something that you have to do yourself.I'm in for the contest!Shadow Realm

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:32 am

quote:No, I would set up the designs. I would supply them with the font, logo, certain "jazzy" style and have it placed where I want it on the t-shirt...... Then I can see it on a screen. And if I like the idea, will buy the t shirt and take a picture of it and post it on here for the contest to submit.If you win are you going to give 1 shirt to the print shop? LOL

MR_BKDW · Post by **MR_BKDW** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:57 am

if you ask any professional graphic designer they will tell you illustrator or freehand and quark for layout. true photoshop is good at web/photo stuff but if you want resolution which is what is needed for a t-shirt then you need vector not pixels photoshop is working on making vectors a part of it but it still rasterises the images. the reason why photoshop is used for web is more resolution = high image size and on the web bigger pictures = longer load time. as for http://www.deviantart.com yes nice pictures but they are not made for hard copys just as backgrounds and to look at on a computer not to print out larger than letter size paper. if you are going to compare what to use for a t-shirt look at a t-shirt site and tell me that is done in photoshop. http://www.stolenshirts.com

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 10:30 am

quote:...and take a picture of it and post it on here for the contest to submit.Photos aren't allowed. Item number 3 says "line art." You should just submit your design instead of paying a print shop to do one shirt for you. Its cheaper and its within the rules.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 10:43 am

whatever happened to just pencils, paper, markers, and erasers. maybe even a little on creativity? I spent some time in the art room and graphic design courses. i enjoyed every one of them, but there's still something to be said about conjuring up your very own piece of work and not computer generated. i love technology, but... creativity isn't found in a software program. can't this be just a fun t-shirt contest. reminds me of high school, even college. software is a great tool but you still need some talent to back it up. i can't wait to see what everyone will have to send in. it'll be interesting to see what route different people take in their designs.

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:57 am

quote:Official Rules...3. Entries must be submitted in GIF, JPG, or PSD (Adobe Photoshop) format. Entries must be line art images (no photographs) with no more than 4 colors total (front and back). 4 colors? Even your smallest pack of Crayola crayons comes with 8! I've got it narrowed down to 5, but it's gonna look awfully silly without the yellow. I wonder if the background will be white or if other colors will be available...

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:00 am

Even if we wanted to use the GenVibe logo, it's more than 4 colors!

Post by **mkowdley** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:07 am

True true. We chose a 4 color limit to keep the costs of printing down so that we can offer the best prices later on. Regarding too many colors in the existing logo, I'm working on getting some stock artwork available.Mike K.

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:27 am

Cool. Keep us updated on that.

Post by **mkowdley** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:24 am

There are now some stock images of the logo on the rules page.Mike K.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:43 am

Thanks!and quote: 19. No copyrighted or trademarked material may be used in any Entry except as provided for above. This includes the Pontiac logo.bummer 8^{

millster · Post by **millster** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:53 am

So here's a question. Does the shape of the car count as copyrighted?

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:22 pm

quote: 18. Entrants may specify what color shirt their design is to be printed on. If no color is specified, GenVibe.Com will select a color. This color does not count towards the four color limit detailed above. Was that rule there before? If I missed it before, I feel really dumb now. I like it though and I'm going to use it! Are there any limitations to what color t-shirt we can pick? quote:So here's a question. Does the shape of the car count as copyrighted?Oh, good question!!! If we can't use the shape of the car, then I have just wasted a few too many hours staring at a computer screen

Post by **mkowdley** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 2:13 am

Nope, that rule wasn't there before, I had thought it was assumed but since I got some questions via email regarding it I decided to write it in.You can use the shape of the car no problem, or a drawing of the car. But someone asked specifically about the Pontiac logo and that is definitely out.Also, I didn't mention, but a Photoshop PSD file is acceptable too (actually this might be my preferred version )Thanks everyone for your interest!Mike K.

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:14 am

quote:a Photoshop PSD file is acceptable too (actually this might be my preferred version )At least I did one thing right!

MrDoopey · Post by **MrDoopey** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:17 am

I am sinking my teeth into Photoshop as we speak....Being a newbie at the program, I am struggling along! hehehe! I tried a friends version of illustrator, but found it much harder to figure out. So I will stick with Photoshop.Being the one who asked about the Pontiac Logo, It looks as though it may turn out for the better that I do not use it. I am that much closer to narrowing down to 4 colors, now that I do not need red!! Looking forward to seeing everyone else's designs!

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:25 am

i am a graphic designer. 4 color is the term for full color. all colors are made from mixing the four basics (cyan, magenta, black, yellow) if all you can have is 4 colors, thats all you need

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:38 am

I thought mixing red, blue and yellow (or various combinations of) would result in any colour you needed.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:50 am

screens (tv's, computers, etc.) use red green and blue. it is usually considered a poorer quality color for printing (known as RGB)

millster · Post by **millster** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:56 am

If that were the case here, wouldn't they have asked for the image in seperated CMYK channels? I'm thinking that in this case four colors means four colors.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:03 am

im a rookie to the design scene (about a year and a half on the job). if you send the printing company (i'm at one right now) a computer file of the drawing, they can open it in quark and seperate it when plating. i know nothing about screen printing (the technique used for wierd materials such as a shirt), but it would make sense to me

Post by **mkowdley** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:21 am

CMYK can be combined to produce all of the colors and I think that's done often in print work. However, with the silk screening process, each color is put down individually, and colors don't mix as well as they do in print. Four colors mean four colors in this case, for example, orange, grey, black, and blue. Sorry for the confusion. (This is our first time doing this). Please feel free to post or to email me if you have any more questions, thanks!Mike K. mkowdley@genvibe.com

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:49 am

come on guys times a waistin!! get them pencils out. LOLand 4 colors are enough just ask those who have already submitted theirs

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:14 am

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what about size? Do you want the image to be the exact size it should be on the T-shirt?

Post by **mkowdley** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:13 pm

That is a good question. In this case, size doesn't matter... we will be able to scale it as necessary. However, having a good resolution is important to the final product, i would recommend 1600x1200 images.Mike K.genvibe.com

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:55 pm

so, it's not the size that matters, its how you output it. hmmm... if only other aspects of life were the same

meathead333 · Post by **meathead333** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:21 am

thi sis my first time reading this thread...i must say what started out as a fun idea seems to have turned into a pain in th (removed)

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 2:06 pm

Yahoo email had issues with letting me attach 2 PSD files with 1600x1200 images saved at medium quality. So I submitted them as high quality JPGs. It did turn into a pain in the neck at the end, but I'm done.

MrDoopey · Post by **MrDoopey** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:17 am

In the rules, it says we vote on only what Genvibe selects as finalists. Is there any way that we could see all the entries at some point? Perhaps after the contest is over? That way all our tireless efforts won't be in vain. I would to see everyone's work, I am sure they are all good.

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 9:53 am

Darn! I missed the deadline... says that voting was to commence today though...

msmyer · Post by **msmyer** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:14 am

quote:Darn! I missed the deadline... says that voting was to commence today though...Damn...me too! quote:The community voting period will last from August 11, 2003 until August 31, 2003. I'm ready to see them! Wonder how many people did it?

fire_502 · Post by **fire_502** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:32 am

Hmm...well the poll at the start of this thread says that 14 people "planned" to participate and the rules state that genvibe.com reserves the right to cancel the contest if less than 10 entries are received. I got one in, but I have no idea if 9 other people did too.

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:46 am

I was one of those 14 and I totally forgot until today... the 11th!

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:47 am

I did and hopefully we'll see all the entrys if 10 got in

MrDoopey · Post by **MrDoopey** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:46 pm

I was also one of the 14,.....sent mine in on the 10th. Last minute idea!! LOL. I too am anxious to see everyones entry! Its the 12th now, and since they don't have any entries up for viewing, It would be a bummer if they don't sneak anyone in who was a day late......

rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:20 pm

MB they are waiting for Nick to return from vacation.

Post by **mkowdley** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:17 am

Hi all,Sorry for lurking, my day job has been killing me.We've received less than 10 entries total, and it sounds like there are a few more individuals who are interested. Plus, I'm going to be out of town for two weeks starting Thursday. So, we're going to extend the deadline until 31-Aug. That way those of you who want to slip in last minute ideas can do so, and give everyone more to choose from when we do the voting. Thanks for everyone's interest!Also, we will be sure to make every entry available online for viewing. You'll be able to vote on every entry we receive that meets the criteria (many people seem to be having trouble with the color limit).Regarding the color limit, my recommendation for those of you using Photoshop is this: Create a very large image (say 1600x2400) and place both the front and back pictures in the same image. Set the mode to indexed color with 5 colors (4 + background). This way you can be sure that you've met the color requirement. It doesn't look as great on the screen b/c there is no antialiasing, but, screenprinting tends to blend everything a bit anyway.Mike K.

rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:50 am

mkowdley, thats great news, because I also missed the deadline.