Z-max engine treatment

yank dini · Post by **yank dini** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:00 am

After breaking in the engine and a couple of oil changes. I've decided to put some Z-MAX engine treatment in my VIBE. I've tried this before in my 2000 Stratus but that was real late in the car lifetime. This time I get to try it in a brand new engine. This stuff works great The engine runs really smooth now and the acceleration on the freeway is greatly improved even on the 130-4 bangas. Cant wait to get some more air into that engine to really make it go. By the way if you haven't seen or heard of this stuff it runs about $30.00 at any auto parts store. I recommend the treatment right after your oil change and every 6000 miles thereafter
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masonjl · Post by **masonjl** » Mon Aug 26, 2002 9:50 pm

yank,i was talkin to my girlfriends father (he's a body shop manager) about whether to use any type of engine treatment.....he said it was a good idea....especially for a newer car, (start early, protect it early)so just wanted to send a huge THANKS out to ya.....i wouldn't have even thought of such a thing......

DVDvibe · Post by **DVDvibe** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 12:51 am

Does it require the whole bottle every 6000 miles after or just partial?

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 7:54 am

Really smooth now eh?

yank dini · Post by **yank dini** » Thu Aug 29, 2002 4:49 am

I would go with the whole bottle on that

yank dini · Post by **yank dini** » Thu Aug 29, 2002 4:51 am

no problem glad I could finally give some insight to my fellow VIBE brothers and sisters

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Thu Aug 29, 2002 2:29 pm

Perhaps you slipped by the URLÂ¿Â¿ Here it is again: CLICK ME!!! Scroll down and you will see about Z-Max,.,.,.,.,.along with other BS engine treatments,.,.,.,.,.
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NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Thu Aug 29, 2002 8:44 pm

Thanks for posting that link. I wanted to make a post abut these "snake oils" but I had no proof to back up my claims. That site is good for proving what I've believed all along. All you need is a quality oil, a quality filter and change them regulary.I change my oil every 2,500 miles. That my be a little extreme but I only drive my Vibe and Voyager 5,000 miles a year each (all city driving). That means I change the oil every 6 months in those 2 cars. Twice a year is not too much. The Nova rarely sees more than 2,000 miles a year so I change it once a year regardless of the miles.Oil filters are about $5 each, quarts of oil about $1.50. That means my total cost per year in oil changes are:Vibe (1 filter, 4 quarts, 2x per year): (5 + (4 x 1.5)) x 2 = $22/yearVoyager (1 filter, 5 quarts, 2x per year): (5 + (5 x 1.5)) x 2 = $25/yearNova (1 filter, 6 quarts, 1x per year): (5 + (6 x 1.5)) x 1 = $14/yearTotal for all 3 cars = $61/year
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d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Wed Sep 04, 2002 9:41 am

Don't waste your money on any of that crap. I have tried just about all of them before I wised up and just switched my oil over to a good fully synthetic oil like Amsoil.Amsoil that I put in my car made a bigger difference in performance and gas mileage more so than any else I ever added to my conventional oil. It out performs all other major synthetic oil.Plus you get very exstended oil drains. I change my oil and filter every 12,000 miles or 6 months and save more money over year than I did changing regular oil every 3 to 5,000 miles. The car starts easier, runs cooler, and gas mileage increased.http://www.twocom.com/high_performance_ ... Claims.htm

DVDvibe · Post by **DVDvibe** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:44 am

12,000 miles on one oil change...is that under normal driving conditions? Approx price for oil change with this oil at a station?Thanks

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 9:48 am

I have never found any oil change facility that uses Amsoil. Reason being mainly the company doesn't advertise. GM tried to set up a contract with Amsoil so they could fill up the new Vettes with synthetic from the factory but Amsoil declined not wanting to hurt the businesses of direct sellers. So GM went with Mobile 1 but asked the best synthetic company around first.You can go to http://www.twocom.com/high_performance_synthetics/ and buy it from me. You asked if that was under normal driving conditions. No it's not. It's under pretty hard driving conditions since I have a problem with keeping my foot outta the gas. Amsoil has all kinds of testing figures and things on there website that clearly shows how much better there oil protects from any other oil as well as there filters filtering the oil better than any other. Which is one of the reasons the oil changes are longer. That and the fact synthetic doesn't break down in high heat either. Amsoil is the only company that doesn't use crude oil to make there synthetic. It's all made with other chemicals other than crude oil. Even Mobile 1 uses crude oil to make there synthetic. So much for them claiming it's 100% synthetic because it's not.Amsoil also shows like I said before how much better they are than everyone else. Here's the thing. Every engine oil company that claims there product is better than another product is normally sued in court for false claims. No one has ever been able to sue Amsoil because no one can make a oil that can beat Amsoil.All in all it's your engine and it's your money. If you want to keep your car running like the day you brought it home put the best into it. If you don't care put what ever is on sail at your local gas station in it.I wont run anything but Amsoil in my cars. I even have it in my lawn mower. I noticed the mower pull started easier right after putting the oil in. It seemed to run smoother and not bog down as much as normal in high grass. It's also was cooler to the touch than before. That right there says alot about there oil.

DVDvibe · Post by **DVDvibe** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:34 am

After looking around on their website, I think that I am going to go with it in my Vibe. I used mobil 1 synthetic in my Dakota R/T but after seeing the site and everything, I think that I am going to go with Amsoil. My uncle runs a castrol oil change place and is a direct seller. Thanks for all the info!

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:21 am

I think you'll like it once you start using it. I'm sure your uncle will get you a great deal on it so you don't have to pay to much over cost.

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:52 am

You change your oil once or twice a year?????? Even if I drive less than 3000 miles a year, I would change it no longer than every 4 months,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:33 am

I can see from your reply that you use conventional oil and using that type of oil you MUST change it often. We're talking about synthetic motor oil.You should take a look at http://www.twocom.com/high_performance_synthetics/and learn how the stuff works. There is no need to waste your money chaging motor oil every few months or 3000 miles. The website will explain why. I'm tried of explaining it.

NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:31 am

quote:You change your oil once or twice a year?????? Even if I drive less than 3000 miles a year, I would change it no longer than every 4 months,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,Both the Vibe and Voyager get oil changes every 2500 miles. Since each car sees only about 5000 miles a year that equals an oil change for each about once every 6 months. Changing it any more than that is a waste of money.The Nova sees less than 2000 miles a year. It gets an oil change usually once a year regardless of the miles. If I changed the oil every 4 months, there would be times where there was less than 500 miles on the oil. That is a complete waste of not only money but oil as well.BTW, this is conventional oil, not synthetic.You might think that's crazy but the inside of the engine in my Nova is a clean as it was when it was first built (10 years ago). I know this for a fact because the intake was off about a year ago.Stop listening to Jiffy Lube. Every 4 months is crazy unless to drive 3000 miles or more every 4 months.

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 7:30 am

FYI, I don't go to Jiffy Lube.I guess the kind of oil you buy is resilient and never gets contaminated with time and is resistant to oxidation.To each his own.No flames intended, maybe a little sarcasm. Have a nice day, or um, year!!

NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 9:53 am

The "Jiffy Lube" comment was sarcasm. I was just trying to say, don't listen to oil companies and oil change servies as to how soon you should change your oil. They are in the business of making money. Your money. The more often you change your oil, the more money they make. Listen to the advice of people who have no way of profiting from their advice.

rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:44 am

After doing research on the web. I'm convince that my first oil change will be done with Amsoil. Thanks for the info.

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 11:09 am

quote:After doing research on the web. I'm convince that my first oil change will be done with Amsoil. Thanks for the info. Rasermon after switching to Amsoil please post gas mileage increase if any and also if you noticed easier cranking when starting and if any increase in power. I think you'll notice all 3 but let me know what you think. If you have a auto trany you can switch to the synthetic trany fluid. It is also extended oil change fluid so it will last twice as long and your trany will stay much cooler. It'll shift smoother also.They make trany fluid for the manuals also.

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 8:44 am

I have probably more info than anyone cares to read on Amsoil oil at this link. http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=238Anything you want to know will probably be answered in this tread.

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 1:26 pm

quote:The "Jiffy Lube" comment was sarcasm. I was just trying to say, don't listen to oil companies and oil change servies as to how soon you should change your oil. They are in the business of making money. Your money. The more often you change your oil, the more money they make. Maybe you should write to Dateline NBC or 20/20 about this common and widespread scam. After all, oil companies, as well as auto manufacturers and independent laboratories ONLY spent millions of dollars on research and developement. I mean, what are the chances that all the oil companies come to the same conclusion? Conspiracy? I think not, "Watson."quote: Listen to the advice of people who have no way of profiting from their advice.I do. I listen to all my fellow mechanics, as well as backyard grease monkeys and gearheads. Pessimism aside, maybe those same people(oil co./service providers) are right about the advice they are giving out. After all, it IS their product and they should know the average life expectancy of its products. Heck, maybe I shouldn't even pay attention to how my owner's manual on when and how often I should change it. Screw the engineers at GM, they have no clue on what they are talking about. I mean, they are just out to get my money. I apologize for the angry tone, but just because a person believes something, doesn't make it true.I am not wasting anymore bandwidth on this. Have a good one.

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 8:25 pm

You honestly beleive you should change your oil every 3000 miles? You really think the oil companys with there billion dollar industry want you to start doing a extended oil drains? No because if you do they lose money. Have you ever noticed why cars in the 70s got the same gas mileage as cars today? Have we not advanced enough to get better gas mileage? We have the ablility to make cars that will get 200 miles per gallon but think about what the oil companys would be making then? Not what they are today that's for damn sure.Many people have designed and made 100 mile per gallon carbs for vehicles. Those people disappear. Hmmmm wonder why. You'd be amazed what money does to people and companys. Oil companys have alot of control over car manufactures, no matter what a car manufacturer tells you. You think the oil companys want GM making 100 mile per gallon SUVs? Hell no. Think about it a Trans Am with it's 5.7 liter V-8 makes 325HP this year and get around 26 to 28 on the high way but a SUV weighing very close to the same thing and at a lower HP rating only gets half that? Something isn't right.Don't beleive everything you read. Research everything.

NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 9:32 pm

quote:Maybe you should write to Dateline NBC or 20/20 about this common and widespread scam. After all, oil companies, as well as auto manufacturers and independent laboratories ONLY spent millions of dollars on research and developement. I mean, what are the chances that all the oil companies come to the same conclusion? Conspiracy? I think not, "Watson."After all those millions of dollars spent on research and development why do we still have to change our oil every 3 months like we did in the 60's? Don't you think oil has evolved somewhat in 40 years and with millions of dollars in research and development? Isn't that what "development" is, a better oil? Or was the "development" just a change from cans to plastic bottles? Do you even remember oil cans?quote:Heck, maybe I shouldn't even pay attention to how my owner's manual on when and how often I should change it. Screw the engineers at GM, they have no clue on what they are talking about. I mean, they are just out to get my money.Take a look at page 7-7 in your owners manual. It says change the oil every 7,500 miles or 12 months whichever comes first. That's for extended trip cars. Short trip use says 3,000 miles or 3 months whichever comes first.Short trip says trips of 5 miles or less and extended idling. Neither of which my cars does. So I fall inbetween the two ranges. That would mean 5250 miles or 7.5 months whichever comes first. I do it every 2,500 miles which is usually every 6 months so I'm well below the limits.
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NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 9:40 pm

quote:Many people have designed and made 100 mile per gallon carbs for vehicles. Those people disappear. Hmmmm wonder why. You'd be amazed what money does to people and companys. Oil companys have alot of control over car manufactures, no matter what a car manufacturer tells you.Yep. Hey F1GT, ever hear of Preston Tucker?http://www.tuckerclub.org/

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 2:35 pm

quote:You honestly beleive you should change your oil every 3000 miles? You really think the oil companys with there billion dollar industry want you to start doing a extended oil drains? No because if you do they lose money.Contradicting yourself, are you not?? Here is a quote you made earlier:quote:...on there website that clearly shows how much better there oil protects from any other oil as well as there filters filtering the oil better than any other. Which is one of the reasons the oil changes are longerI'm sure if you go to Z-MAX's, ProLong's, etc., homepage, they would boast about their product as well and making positive and untrue claims. quote:Have you ever noticed why cars in the 70s got the same gas mileage as cars today? Have we not advanced enough to get better gas mileage? We have the ablility to make cars that will get 200 miles per gallon but think about what the oil companys would be making then? Not what they are today that's for damn sure.Many people have designed and made 100 mile per gallon carbs for vehicles. Those people disappear. Hmmmm wonder why. You'd be amazed what money does to people and companys. Oil companys have alot of control over car manufactures, no matter what a car manufacturer tells you. You think the oil companys want GM making 100 mile per gallon SUVs? Hell no. Think about it a Trans Am with it's 5.7 liter V-8 makes 325HP this year and get around 26 to 28 on the high way but a SUV weighing very close to the same thing and at a lower HP rating only gets half that? Something isn't right.Are you that ignorant?Â¿? Automobiles from today making the same gas mileage as they did 3 decades ago?Â¿?Â¿? Please refrain from making such false and perplexing statements. If you really think this, maybe you should contact the EPA for further information, as I do not feel like searching the net to prove my point on such a rediculous comment. As for the Muscle-Car vs. the little SUV, perhaps it slipped your mind that the Pontiac Trans Am(cousin to Camaro) has 2 overdrive gears, 5th and 6th. The latter being .5, a VERY tall gear. The axle-ratio for the TA is 3.42, compared to the ~4.5x for the SUVs. Imagine the mileage of a Camaro/TA if their axle ratio was that HIGH(numerically)!!!!!The TA(Trans Am) also has a low coefficient of drag, compared to an SUV. The little SUVs, making due with smaller engines, has to rev higher on the freeway(up to 3000 RPMs) getting to that mid 20's highway mileage. While a Trans Am is loafing along at a leasurely 1200-1500 RPMs on the highway. The peaky power plants on the SUVs have to rev higher to get to it's powerband to get it accelerating, while the TA has an abundant amount of low-end torque. Keep in mind that the EPA got those figures you see on the windows of new cars by feather footing the gas. And where did you see this supposed 200mpg car?? Most I have seen is 100mpg. Even if there was a 200mpg car, it's not because of the oil companies that it's not being sold. It's the consumers and how they don't want to deal with the compromises of such a car(fuel, power, distance it can travel, cargo capacity, price). People are afraid of change and if such a car is made, it will be very low production and auto manufacturers will have a hard time earning enough profit to make up for the cost of developing such a vehicle.quote:Don't beleive everything you read. Research everything.Exactly, that's why I don't believe the Amsoil link. Maybe you should practice what you preach?? Go do a research on why a muscle car like the TA gets roughly the same gas mileage as a small SUV, if not better.I'm happy for you that you found an oil you really love. But remember this adage, "If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is."Have a nice day
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F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 2:52 pm

quote:Many people have designed and made 100 mile per gallon carbs for vehicles. Those people disappear. Hmmmm wonder why. You'd be amazed what money does to people and companys. Oil companys have alot of control over car manufactures, no matter what a car manufacturer tells you.Yep. Hey F1GT, ever hear of Preston Tucker?http://www.tuckerclub.org/Yes, as a matter of fact. The car was not accepted in the public eye because of it's strange design. It never acheived 100mpg. Maybe I didn't look through the site thoroughly enough, but how does this relate to the oil company??

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 4:04 pm

quote:After all those millions of dollars spent on research and development why do we still have to change our oil every 3 months like we did in the 60's? Don't you think oil has evolved somewhat in 40 years and with millions of dollars in research and development? Isn't that what "development" is, a better oil? Or was the "development" just a change from cans to plastic bottles? Do you even remember oil cans?It did evolved. It's called synthetic. Synthetics last longer because it takes more to break down the additives in it.Oil change mileage intervals are a general recommendation, based mainly on the so called "severe duty" category on "regular" oil. My car falls into the severe duty category because I live in a high traffic area. Which is why I questioned your oil changing routine. Lets make this clear. I said that I would never go past 4 months. Like I said before, to each his own. It's your car and you change it whenever you want to. quote:Take a look at page 7-7 in your owners manual. It says change the oil every 7,500 miles or 12 months whichever comes first. That's for extended trip cars. Short trip use says 3,000 miles or 3 months whichever comes first.Short trip says trips of 5 miles or less and extended idling. Neither of which my cars does. So I fall inbetween the two ranges. That would mean 5250 miles or 7.5 months whichever comes first. I do it every 2,500 miles which is usually every 6 months so I'm well below the limits.You apply what the Vibe manuals says to your Plymouth and Nova? I understand your point of view and why your routine is as such. Regardless, I change my oil every 3000 miles/4 months because, like you said, it's:quote:Cheap incuranceespecially when it's ~$4 for the oil, and ~$3 for the filter.have a nice day
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rasermon · Post by **rasermon** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 6:41 pm

The bottom line is that engine oils don't require replacement as often as they did just a few years ago. By changing your oil more often, you increase your expenses and add to the growing oil disposal concerns.

NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 9:12 pm

quote:Yes, as a matter of fact. The car was not accepted in the public eye because of it's strange design. It never acheived 100mpg. Maybe I didn't look through the site thoroughly enough, but how does this relate to the oil company??My reference to Preston Tucker was in responce to d_m_kolb statement about designers and "better" cars getting overrun buy the big three and the oil companies. GM, Ford and Chrysler saw the Tucker as a threat and they did everything in their power (legal and illegal) to make sure the Tucker would disappear. I never said the Tucker got 100-mpg. And in reality, the Tucker was popular in it's time it was just not allowed to grow.
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NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 9:41 pm

quote:It did evolved. It's called synthetic. Synthetics last longer because it takes more to break down the additives in it.Synthetics is not the only advance in oil technology in the past 40 years. Ever see those API ratings on the sides of the bottles? SL is the most current for gasoline engines and exceeds all SA thru SJ rated oils. In fact, you can't even buy oils rated SA thru SH anymore.quote:Oil change mileage intervals are a general recommendation, based mainly on the so called "severe duty" category on "regular" oil. My car falls into the severe duty category because I live in a high traffic area. Which is why I questioned your oil changing routine.I also live in a high traffic, large city. However every 2,500 miles is fine. That just happens to be every 6 months. If they were driven more, that 2,500 miles would come up sooner, possibly every 4 or 3 months.quote:You apply what the Vibe manuals says to your Plymouth and Nova?No, but it's the same guidelines that are in the Voyager manual and it corroborates what I've been doing for years.If it's "cheap insurance" then why not change your oil every month? How about every week, every day? After every trip? The reason is waste. Time is not a good factor, mileage is better for the most part. For example, if you drove 3000 miles in 4 months and I drove my Nova 500 (very likely) I should change my oil at the same time you do just because it's 4 months oil? Is it that worn out? If so, they why don't you change your oil every 500 miles? In reality, I change my oil MORE often they you do based on miles driven. I do it 2,500 miles for both daily drivers. Which is my point all along. You questioned my oil change interval when in fact it's more often (based on mileage) than yours. However, I do have to agree with you that what works for one doesn't work for all. Which is why the Nova is on a different schedule. It doesn't see daily duty and can sit for weeks without use, especially in the winter.
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d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:44 am

Wow F1GT I think it's pretty funny how scared you seem to be about what I have said about oil companys making people disapear. It happens. First off they try to buy the rights to the product and spend millions of dollars to do this and then they own the patents. Once they own the patents the ideas sit on a shelf and will never see the light of day. If the inventor wont sell, their house just happens to catch fire and burns down, or they themself are never seen again. Or they are seen again but not alive. Hmm how or wonder why this happens? If you believe things like this don't happen, your to close minded for your own good.Being in the U.S.C.G. I have seen and heard things that would make most people throw up. I wont go into detail so don't ask but in the federal building where I'm stationed the FBI is next door to the CG group I'm located in. We work with them from time to time, and things like what I have just said happen. They happen everyday. Either the people that make these terrible things happen are very good at covering up the truth or people are paid off in high places. Also realize huge companys and corporations have the best lawyers in the world. The technology is out there for vehicles to travel 100s of miles on a gallon of gas but you and I will never see to it because if we did someone's wallet would get hit pretty hard. I have said enough about the subject and will stop there.Now back to the oil. Recent tests at Mobil have demonstrated synthetic motor oils with a three year, 25,000 mile life span. AMSOIL has had 25,000 mile drain intervals for 25 years, only recently introducing a motor oil inside a somewhat "normal" range, that is, 7500 miles.... which some insist is still too long. This is a quote from this website.http://mr2.com/TEXT/synth_oil.txtquote:One of our cars is a 1979 GM sedan whose odometerand maintenance records reveal over 200,000 miles of driving, with nevera missed-beat of its 350 cu. in. gasoline engine, and which has neveronce required an engine repair... not even a minor one! It still runsas well as the day it was new, it's sparkling clean inside, and allcylinders check out to original compression specs. For all but thefirst 12,000 miles it has thrived on a strict diet of premium syntheticmotor oil, changed only once every 25,000 miles. When we began researchfor this article, no one had to convince us that synthetics offerdistinct advantages.] quote:Contrary to what many may believe, synthetic lubricants are not a recentdevelopment. As early as the 1930s, Standard Oil of Indiana conductedresearch into synthetic oil. More serious development and productionwas commenced by the Germans during WWII, as their conventionallubricants congealed and froze on the Eastern front and stalled theiradvances into the Soviet Union. As jet engines were developed after thewar, it soon became evident that conventional lubricating oils couldn'twithstand the high temperatures and pressures, and synthetics came to beused in all military commercial jet aircraft engines. Then in the 1960shistory repeated itself, and it was again cold weather that spurredfurther development work as the U.S. Army needed better lubricants forArctic and Antarctic use. Still later, NASA specified synthetic-basedlubes for all space vehicles, including the Space Shuttle. Today'sautomotive synthetic lubricants have evolved as an almost direct resultof these demanding military and extraterrestrial lubricationrequirements.I wont quote anymore but the website I have provided explain synthetic oils in great detail and it's very easy to under. I enjoyed reading and all ready knew of much of what it talked about.Also realize this. All modern day fighter jets the U.S. military has use synthetic. They never change the oil. NEVER! They only change the filters after so many hours of operations and then add what the filter took away when replacing. The only time the oil is changed is if there is a repair that has to be made that requires the oil to come out of the engine. If it's good enough for the military and the space shuttle it's good enough for me.

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:28 pm

quote:Wow F1GT I think it's pretty funny how scared you seem to be about what I have said about oil companys making people disapear. It happens. First off they try to buy the rights to the product and spend millions of dollars to do this and then they own the patents. Once they own the patents the ideas sit on a shelf and will never see the light of day. If the inventor wont sell, their house just happens to catch fire and burns down, or they themself are never seen again. Or they are seen again but not alive. Hmm how or wonder why this happens?Scared? Soommmeeebody has been watching too many movies and reading too many mystery/spy books. Time for a reality check. quote:If you believe things like this don't happen, your to close minded for your own good. RiiiggghtttThis coming from an Administrator. I think you should do your job and administer and moderate this board. Not jumping into members' disagreements and flaming members with assumptions. How mature and respectful for a moderator. :rolling eyes:quote:Being in the U.S.C.G. I have seen and heard things that would make most people throw up. I wont go into detail so don't ask but in the federal building where I'm stationed the FBI is next door to the CG group I'm located in. We work with them from time to time, and things like what I have just said happen. They happen everyday. Either the people that make these terrible things happen are very good at covering up the truth or people are paid off in high places. Also realize huge companys and corporations have the best lawyers in the world. UMMKKAAAYYY, Mr. Paranoia. Step away from the computer, put the crack pipe down, and drift back for a reality check.quote:The technology is out there for vehicles to travel 100s of miles on a gallon of gas but you and I will never see to it because if we did someone's wallet would get hit pretty hard. I have said enough about the subject and will stop there.Yes, PLEASE do stop here. Every one of your post is like a novel.quote:Now back to the oil. Recent tests at Mobil have demonstrated synthetic motor oils with a three year, 25,000 mile life span. AMSOIL has had 25,000 mile drain intervals for 25 years, only recently introducing a motor oil inside a somewhat "normal" range, that is, 7500 miles.... which some insist is still too long.U know, I really don't give a rat's azz about your synthetic and what you think of it, ok? It's YOUR opinion. Your conlusion. Give it up! Drop it! I am not even talking about synthetics. I was talking about NovaResources' oil change interval. Jesus Christ, just because you are moderating and administering this sight doesn't make you the ALL KNOWLEDGEABLE car guru. In fact some of your posts are just reiterations of what someone else posted. What is the point in that?? Trying to be pretentious??This is a quote from this website.http://mr2.com/TEXT/synth_oil.txtquote:One of our cars is a 1979 GM sedan whose odometerand maintenance records reveal over 200,000 miles of driving, with nevera missed-beat of its 350 cu. in. gasoline engine, and which has neveronce required an engine repair... not even a minor one! It still runsas well as the day it was new, it's sparkling clean inside, and allcylinders check out to original compression specs. For all but thefirst 12,000 miles it has thrived on a strict diet of premium syntheticmotor oil, changed only once every 25,000 miles. When we began researchfor this article, no one had to convince us that synthetics offerdistinct advantages.]Contrary to what many may believe, synthetic lubricants are not a recentdevelopment. As early as the 1930s, Standard Oil of Indiana conductedresearch into synthetic oil. More serious development and productionwas commenced by the Germans during WWII, as their conventionallubricants congealed and froze on the Eastern front and stalled theiradvances into the Soviet Union. As jet engines were developed after thewar, it soon became evident that conventional lubricating oils couldn'twithstand the high temperatures and pressures, and synthetics came to beused in all military commercial jet aircraft engines. Then in the 1960shistory repeated itself, and it was again cold weather that spurredfurther development work as the U.S. Army needed better lubricants forArctic and Antarctic use. Still later, NASA specified synthetic-basedlubes for all space vehicles, including the Space Shuttle. Today'sautomotive synthetic lubricants have evolved as an almost direct resultof these demanding military and extraterrestrial lubricationrequirements.I wont quote anymore but the website I have provided explain synthetic oils in great detail and it's very easy to under. I enjoyed reading and all ready knew of much of what it talked about.Also realize this. All modern day fighter jets the U.S. military has use synthetic. They never change the oil. NEVER! They only change the filters after so many hours of operations and then add what the filter took away when replacing. The only time the oil is changed is if there is a repair that has to be made that requires the oil to come out of the engine. If it's good enough for the military and the space shuttle it's good enough for me.That's why oil needs changing, because the additives in them breakdown. They replenished that, duh!200,000 miles and still looking sparkling clean with the heads takin out and checking the valves, the walls, the pistons, etc. eh?? Wow, what a miracle oil. Must be a miracle from God. The oil is so good, it gets rid of carbon deposits too, huh? Didn't you also say that switching to synthetic, your car ran cooler?? So what? They add anti-freeze in your oil?? Ever heard of the Placebo Effect?? I think you are suffering from that. Referring to the above quote on the '79 Chevy, again, practice what you preach:quote:Don't beleive everything you read. Research everything.Please stop with all the preposterous claims and statements. It's really beginning to be an annoyance. Time to lock this thread and stop the flames. Go ahead and get the last word, I won't even bother with it. I know it's going to be more false claims and immature assumptions. Here's a little tip for the future of your moderating career: Being a moderator, you should keep the threads in check. Don't instigate and don't fuel the flames. If it starts to get members angry, it is time to lock the thread. Be mature and respectful in your post and replies.

F1GT · Post by **F1GT** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:43 pm

quote:If it's "cheap insurance" then why not change your oil every month? How about every week, every day? After every trip? The reason is waste. Time is not a good factor, mileage is better for the most part. For example, if you drove 3000 miles in 4 months and I drove my Nova 500 (very likely) I should change my oil at the same time you do just because it's 4 months oil? Is it that worn out? If so, they why don't you change your oil every 500 miles? In reality, I change my oil MORE often they you do based on miles driven. I do it 2,500 miles for both daily drivers. Which is my point all along. You questioned my oil change interval when in fact it's more often (based on mileage) than yours. However, I do have to agree with you that what works for one doesn't work for all. Which is why the Nova is on a different schedule. It doesn't see daily duty and can sit for weeks without use, especially in the winter.Everymonth, week, trip?? I know you are exaggerating to make your point. But you change your oil once or twice a year. I was merely saying that if I put 3000 miles or less a year, I would still change it 3 times a year. Which would be either an extra $7 or $14 a year. Still cheap insurance.I put 500-1000 miles a week on my car. I fill up about 2-3 times a week. I change my oil every 3-4 weeks. So, I think I change oil more often than you. I am also a tech, working in a Honduh! dealership. I have plenty of knowledgeable ASE Certified mechanics who does the same routine I do. Again, I am not telling you to do anything. I was just saying that I would still change it every 4 months IF I drive less that 3000 miles a year. I will say to you as I do to customers' car, "It's not my car." In other words, it's your car, so do whatever pleases you. Have a good one [Modified by NovaResource, 9:50 AM 9/13/2002][/QUOTE]

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 1:29 am

First off I'm not a expert and never said I was at any point, but I prove my point with either what I have done personally or seen done and I all ways try to back up my posts with proof for members so they can make there own minds up for themselfs. So far you have proved nothing except for your unwillingness to have a open mind to a new product and how it works. As for my job I do it. Both for my country and for this board. As for flaming you I haven't from what I have said. You on the other hand have done a great job of flaming me. I suggest you calm down and think before you post anything else because it seems your very upset and offended by something I or another member has said. This is your warning.

Flip-Side · Post by **Flip-Side** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 3:32 am

Fact is people, there is no ONE right answer to how anyone takes care of their car. Simple guidlines are set by manufacturers and self-proclaimed experts about what you should do and why. Follow basic advice to start, but eveyone makes their own opinions later. It's the growing of those same opinions and conclusions among the many, that really tell you what is right or wrong. Heck, 10 billion cant be wrong about Mcdonalds.

DABEAR95 · Post by **DABEAR95** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:30 am

Using a by-pass filter such as the Oilguard or Amsoil unit, I would be happy extending my drain intervals in my Golf to perhaps 40,000 miles.(Using oil analysis with TBN of course to determine the best interval) I know for sure that the oil I am using is capable.Mobil Delvac 1 5w-40Oil analysis is the key gentlemen. You can test your oil at 3,000 miles and keep driving for a few days until you get the results. Once you receive the results you can make an educated choice.Jason

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:56 am

This is true, but who wants to pay for an oil analysis 4 times per year? Seems that some members on this board don't fully understand how synthetics work. You have to understand the chemistry behind the science of oil breakdown. The base stock for true sythetics will not break down under any circumstance that you can create with your car. Synthetic oil only needs changed to replace the additives that are chemically broken down by the byproducts of fuel combustion in the engine. With natural oils, these byproducts form acids in the engine's oil which wears the engine and weakens the metal components. Also is hard on gaskets and seals. Synthetics do not chemically react this way and will last much longer. With a natural oil, frequent oil changes are advised even when the car is driven relatively few miles because these acidic buildups wear on the engine even if it is not being used. Again, a synthetic will prevent that. Engines will run cooler with synthetic oil not because of an antifreeze added to it but because it lubricates better, resulting in less friction. It is a fact of science that when fuels are burned, power and heat are guaranteed results. If you produce more heat burning a given fuel, you will produce less power because the heat is wasted energy. If you reduce the heat given off in the reaction, more power results because the energy is conserved and used to make the power. Keeping down the friction in the engine not only reduces physical wear on parts, but temps are reduced which increases the efficiency of the engine because less heat is produced, leaving more energy to be converted to power instead of heat. So go ahead and use the WalMart special generic oil in your car. I just don't want it when you sell it as used.BTW---people are knocked off all the time because they develop a revolutionary product that would destroy an entire market. If you don't think high-level coverups are possible, just look at the Vincent Foster case. You cannot tell any rational person that he actually shot himself given the evidence and the amount of coverup.And Preston Tucker was shut down by the Feds because of allegations (brought by the Big 3) that he had inappropriately used federal funds. They accused him of using money that was for a business loan for purposes other than his business. The Big 3 had the money and the influence to stop a great car from being built, even though Tucker did not misuse funds. Also, the Tucker had a 6 cylinder air-cooled helicopter engine in it, just for the record. It was very efficent and powerful for its time. It had to be modified for a horizontal application because in the helicopters, the engine is mounted vertically.

DABEAR95 · Post by **DABEAR95** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:29 am

You don't have to do it 4 times a year, you just have to do it a few times to establish what the best drain interval is for your car. Maybe twice, once at 3,000 and the company will tell you how far to take it, then you drain and sample that to confirm it looks good. Going forward perhaps you would do one every other year. At some point if you notice something going on you may want to sample, but if you have taken these steps to maintain your car it probably has TONS of miles and you may not want it any more! Jason

coratz · Post by **coratz** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:20 am

oil makes the world maintain a materialistic competion for greed.all this work in making your engine last longer but, what about the rest of your car? imagine 15 years from now, your engine is in perfect shape yet you have had to replace: alternator 3 times, power steering hoses 2 times, power steering pump, steering rack, ball joint, tie rods, shocks, struts, bearings, cv joints inner/outer, and many many other parts. my point is that your car as a unit has an expected life expectancy. making just one part of your car last longer is pointless.dino oil does a good job and so does a sythetic oil

DABEAR95 · Post by **DABEAR95** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:50 am

Yeah, but those are small items. Many of us have a car payment of 300+ each month. How many times do "alternator 3 times, power steering hoses 2 times, power steering pump, steering rack, ball joint, tie rods, shocks, struts, bearings, cv joints inner/outer, and many many other parts" break a month??? It is always cheaper to keep driving the old beater. Its just that it is not fun. Even if you replace all that stuff in one year, is that going to cost more than 12 months of car payments? Lets not forget that insurance gets cheaper as the car gets older too.

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:31 am

Here's a very interesting link with some enlightening info on this stuff.http://www.twocom.com/high_performance_ ... Claims.htm

d_m_kolb · Post by **d_m_kolb** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:24 pm

Oil additives are worthless. That was the whole reason I put that link in so people could see how many lawsuits were being filed against these oil and engine additives because of false claims.