New audio setup ideas

[jscherf92]

I asked around on caraudio.com and ill be honest those guys were nowhere near as friendly as our little family. Anyway, im looking at stereo upgrades again, ive still got the stock M&T system with an aftermarket Sony head unit, and alpine e10's that need to be replaced.So im just looking for feedback on the following, or suggestions in the same price range would be great. Two options here. The first is a Kenwood powered Alpine 12" Type R, with kenwood powered Kicker component 6.5"s and 5.25" speakers.The second is an MTX powered RE Audio SEX12 with an MTX amp powering the same speakers. Of course i could also use the Type-R with the MTX amplifier setup but i dont want to use the SEX12 with the Kenwoods because it would be underpowered. Thoughts? I plan on getting alot of dynamat and using quality wiring and a ported enclosure in the trunk. And the amplifiers have to match because im all about symmetry and appearances...Oh, one last thing, ive got about an $800 budget for everything.

[jscherf92]

Nobody has an opinion on this? I think im going to go with the Kenwood amplifiers, Alpine Type-R sub, and Kicker speakers. Ill probably chat with crutchfield and some best buy installers if nobody cares to comment on here.

[A Psycho Martyr]

I'm a beleiver in the Alpine type-RThey make some solid subs from my expMy brother actually just sold his alpine type-X 12 and it was just as loud as my 2 15's lolCan't really speak for the amps tho...don't have much of an opinion to offer

[jscherf92]

Ive been looking around and a few people suggested a 12" from Fi Audio. its a bit more expensive but its hand assembled and takes 800 watts at 2 ohms. I might just stick with the R though, its nice and strong, looks good inverted, and its not as hungry for space like similar subwoofers

[A Psycho Martyr]

hey you're right on that one...Solid subs and they really do look nice inverted. Be sure to post pics of what you end up with. I know one step up from the type-r is the type-s, right?Maybe drop a lil more dough and snag that one?If you do go with the typr-r, what amp willl you run?

[jscherf92]

Well im pretty sure it goes E, S, R and the highest is the Type-X, but its like $80 more and would require a more expensive amplifier. I was originally going to use a PowerAcoustik BAMF 1800/2 bridged, but since the two things wrong with my current setup are the amp and the poorly built box, id like to upgrade to a class D mono amp. something like the Kenwood KAC-8105D to drive it at 500 watts rms at 2 ohms. In theory it should be a pretty solid setup with the DVC 4 ohm sub.

[A Psycho Martyr]

yeah you're right on the lineup. E, S, R, then XSounds like what you've got planned will be pretty solid. I've learned from my equipment (and my brother's MASSIVE amount of equipment he's had) that when you're shopping for it you wanna look for durability above all else. Or at least I do. I've seen many folks go hru a lot of JUNK and end up spending more than I have on good quality equipment that is BUILT to last, ya know? I'm sure you know all this tho. Just thought i'd mention it

[audiovibe]

What amps specifically were you looking at? what price range were you looking into. Sublimewind could probably point you in the direction of some awesome amps on the cheap as he is always finding some deals.

[jscherf92]

lets see, they were kenwood amplifiers, im pretty dead set on them and they had pretty good prices on sonicelectronix but ill shop around when i have all the funds i need. reason being they are identical in their dimensions so i could make a completely symmetrical enclosure/amp rack for the trunk

[jscherf92]

I also think im going to go for all alpine type-R speakers. i know im paying for the name but those grills and colors go with my interior so well and they are still good quality.

[Sublimewind]

Type-R's (subs) are POWER hungry... double rated to be happy.. seriously.. I tried getting a "Hot Deals" section added or pinned to the top, but the mods won't get on board.. So, here is my hot deals thread on my Subaru forum.. starting with the last page (newest).. http://forums.nasioc.com/forum...ge=15If you can't find some killer deals in there, I donno.. lol..

[CH@Dbee]

try car audio classifieds forum....much more respectful group of car audio guys over there.im a huge fan of T3 Audio, ive done all their photography work and they are really good guys that really know their stuff and make GREAT speakers at very good prices. how much RMS power will you running? if your looking into buying an amp i suggest the MB Quart amps, they do rated power and are cheap.

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by CH@Dbee »try car audio classifieds forum....much more respectful group of car audio guys over there.im a huge fan of T3 Audio, ive done all their photography work and they are really good guys that really know their stuff and make GREAT speakers at very good prices. how much RMS power will you running? if your looking into buying an amp i suggest the MB Quart amps, they do rated power and are cheap. Yeah right... CA.com... it's like a Honda forum... lowballers and asshats... T3 Audio who? (must be regional)Everybody in the industry know their stuff, just ask them.. Donno if you'd be interested, but I have a pair of BNIB amps i've been trying to get rid of for some time now... CHEAP.. They both do 150x2 wrms.. (was a forum (removed) for a while on the audio forums, Cadence sells factory direct)They are both stickered @169.99.... I'd do 150+sh for the pair.. !!!I also have a used set of Directed amps if interested (4500 and 600d)

[jscherf92]

Yeah from what ive experienced the caraudio forums are not a pleasant place. and thanks for the tip on the R's power hunger, ill probably run 900w at 2ohms from a more powerful kenwood amp with the gain set pretty low. though if by some miracle my budget grows the MB Quart Onyx series looks amazing. (matching my mono with a 4ch for style points)and thanks anyway on the amps, but theyre not exactly what im looking for, good luck with the sale.

[Sublimewind]

No problem, but if you do some research, the Cadence amps are every bit as good as BOTH of your choices... for less i'm sure...

[CH@Dbee]

im not talking about caraudio.com, i was suggesting he try out...http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/index.phpthat car audio forum is much more mature and respectful than caraudio.comT3 Audio is pretty well know in the SPL and SQ world, far from regional. one of their sponsored SQ cars is in this coming up PASmag...http://www.pasmag.com/features...olumeheres a picture of me at the warehouse with one of their TSNS 10" woofers....5,000 RMS 10" woofer with tone burst that can take 30,000 RMS for SPL. search around on youtube for T3 Audio and see whats up. OP- if your going to run 900RMS you can get the T3 T1000 12" sub for about $250. email ed@t3audio.com and tell him chadbee sent you

[audiovibe]

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind »Everybody in the industry know their stuff, just ask them.. That had me laughing so hard at work people were wondering what the hell I was on!Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind » Donno if you'd be interested, but I have a pair of BNIB amps i've been trying to get rid of for some time now... CHEAP.. I also have a used set of Directed amps if interested (4500 and 600d)I am really surprised none of these sold when they were for sale $150 for 600 clean watts is pretty cheap!Quote, originally posted by CH@Dbee »5,000 RMS 10" woofer with tone burst that can take 30,000 RMS for SPL. search around on youtube for T3 Audio and see whats up. Whats that woofer cost cause it will cost 10-20k to have a reliable 30,000rms to burp! cheaper to just plug it into the wall.Quote, originally posted by CH@Dbee »OP- if your going to run 900RMS you can get the T3 T1000 12" sub for about $250. email ed@t3audio.com and tell him chadbee sent you I looked at the site, I like the appearance of the T1000 but musically? Then again I have been through quite a few woofers to find one I am happy with, IMO its all about midbass!

[jscherf92]

that thing is enormous. obviously i have some more poking around to do before i spend any money. looks like im back to making lists and finding new options. seems like you guys are always great at opening my eyes to new possibilities.

[CH@Dbee]

that TSNS woofer costs about 750 for the 12" but that picture i posted was a prototype 10" that will be released soon. it should be a little cheaper...most likely around the $700-ish range. which isnt a bad price for 5,000 RMS daily. the T1000 should be a very musical woofer, it would not have any issues produces top notch SQ as long as it has the proper enclosure. I have a T2000 15" sitting in my living room waiting for the install and i have heard nothing but great stuff about it musically and just brain numbing bass wise from everybody on the forums. get on the car audio site i listed dude, you can build a better audio set-up for less money. just because a company isnt mainstream like JL doesnt mean they dont produce quality products. do your research and work with whats in your budget. the only reason i have suggested T3's stuff is i am friends with the owner of the company and know for a fact they make some of the best woofers on the market. check their section on car audio classifieds and see what people are saying.

[Sublimewind]

I suppose we could go round and round on this, BUT, the fact of the matter IS, who.... in their right mind... would want or consider USING 5000w of power daily...?? The really great part about these retarded high power woofers IS, that they are only a few DB louder than a Jensen... lol.. My 500w sub system may be capable of producing 130db, which is nothing to sneeze at... while your 15000w system may be hitting 160db... and a 30-40-50000w SPL vehicle (lined with CEMENT and completely un-drivable) is hittin 180db... lol.. Yeah, +30db is bangin... But guess what, YOU CAN'T SIT IN A CAR AT THAT LEVEL... ....(well, you CAN, but it hurts)... That's not sound, that's pressure.. I'm sorry, I just find it funny when people "represent" a company and start with how much "bass" they can produce... You say WOW, I say big Woop.. lol... 95% of the people in this forum and well, in the world, could care less... What does it SOUND like at 150db... ? How long can you listen at 150+db? I guess that would depend on how much you like your hearing..You guys may laugh, but when my system is finished, I'll be rockin ~600w TOTAL... That's ~300w to a pair of 15's220w to the 6.5s (110 per side) 80 split to the tweeters.. (running active) Then again my amps prolly came out when you where 5, soooo.... Understand Sir, i am in NO way shape or form trying to diss you or your knowledge and/or favorite company... I'm just sayin I've ridden this Rodeo before... I just found this... Quote »T3 Audio was founded in 2005 by Car Audio enthusiast and world renowned competitor Mr. Johnathan Demuth, and is privately owned by Mr. Johnathan Demuth to this day. His endless passion for the industry and hobby of competition has forged an automotive loudspeaker company that specializes in offering extremely unique products in the industry we provide to. With the CEO's competition expertise and SPL world record achievements since 1994, T3 Audio has developed a line of loudspeakers that is unparalleled in the industry today.So T3 has been around 5yrs and founded on SPL wins... sweetHere is one for you, this resides in my own stable... she'll take 5k and weighs in at a WHOPPING 17lbs... and was doing it in the early 90's... Yeah, a lot of people love the looks of things and a lot of people would discount the looks of these...But I can almost guarantee they'll sound better on 1/10 the power... So while the TSNS woofer is impressive as all get out, it's not that impressive to me... I've been on the forums doin this for an official 10yrs now.. Not tootin my own horn here, no, just trying to point out that what you THINK you know, may not be necessarily true..

[DressedInBlack]

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind »I tried getting a "Hot Deals" section added or pinned to the top, but the mods won't get on board.. why aren't you getting any love for the "Hot Deals" thread? even if i'm not going to buy, it's still fun to look through!i vote yes on proposition Hot Deals.

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by DressedInBlack »why aren't you getting any love for the "Hot Deals" thread? even if i'm not going to buy, it's still fun to look through!i vote yes on proposition Hot Deals.Thanks brudder... I'm not sure honestly.. It might be because of my semi-controversial nature? A Subie guy in a Vibe world maybe? Honestly I suggested a "hot deals" SECTION.. I mean how many different people do we have here, lookin at different types of things? We could have a "home wares/electronics" section a "garden" section, a "car section".... share the wealth type thing... A single stickied thread couldn't possibly do EVERYTHING justice.. but a whole section could be huge.. I am but one voice... Vote..!!

[CH@Dbee]

Sublimewind- Im not huge into SPL myself. i will have the T2000 on 1500RMS, T3 comps front and rear doors on 125rms per door, lots of second skin deadening an it will be mid 140's on the meter but sound great.I dont need a 5K RMS everyday, i dont want to put my car through that, that will flex the (removed) out of a car but there are people out there that run that much power daily. hell there are people out there running 10,000 RMS daily, which is retarded and waaaay over kill but there are people out there doing it. if you amps came out in 1986 thats cool, i guess.just cause the owner of the company is a SPL guy doesnt mean they cant build musical woofers. john marsh over at american radio has won multiple national SQ comps using T3 woofers. plus you have been doing this for a long time so you should know when it comes to SQ its more then install and tune than the product. that critical mass sub is rated at 5000 PEAK power, again youve been doing this for a long time...im sure you know the difference between peak and RMS. im sure you know your stuff, im not doubting that but im not an idiot and have been building sound systems and mod'ing cars since i was 16(im 29). i know a few things, not all but i do know what im talking about when i speak...if i dont know the answer to a question or cant give knowledgeable advice i keep my mouth(er fingers) shut.

[CH@Dbee]

jscherf92- i just noticed your from acworth....check this out....http://www.caraudioclassifieds...65360and you can pick up since they are in gainseville GA

[audiovibe]

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind »I really wish that hotness would have fit in my hatch where the DIY woofer is.What are those IDQ thingies there

[Sublimewind]

If I get this job I'm after with Intel, I'll prolly be changing things AGAIN and using the Cmass..

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by CH@Dbee »Sublimewind- Im not huge into SPL myself. i will have the T2000 on 1500RMS, T3 comps front and rear doors on 125rms per door, lots of second skin deadening an it will be mid 140's on the meter but sound great.You may not be into SPL but you sited the merits of it and companies SPL heritage already showing me that the company doesn't stand on much sound quality wise, more on the bling/wow factor of a 1000$ woofer that 99.99% of people will never even know about, much less BUY I dont need a 5K RMS everyday, i dont want to put my car through that, that will flex the (removed) out of a car but there are people out there that run that much power daily. hell there are people out there running 10,000 RMS daily, which is retarded and waaaay over kill but there are people out there doing it. you don't need the 2000w you'll be running either..lol.. I was movin the dash in my VW 1/2" on 500wrms BITD (back in the day), but that's another story and a testament that today's systems are FAR less efficient than say in 86' when people where rockin 1500w in SPL contests.. lol.. if you amps came out in 1986 thats cool, i guess.It's different.. maybe silly even, but I'm willing to try to show people you don't NEED Kw worth of power to have great sound AND be bangin.. Then again, my old-fart amps may just go up in smoke.. lol.. time will tell just cause the owner of the company is a SPL guy doesnt mean they cant build musical woofers. john marsh over at american radio has won multiple national SQ comps using T3 woofers. plus you have been doing this for a long time so you should know when it comes to SQ its more then install and tune than the product. Never said they/he couldn't build a "musical" woofer, but the likelyhood of it is less, considering the flagship woofer line is one that can take "30,000w tone bursts" (I'd like to send one out for testing, proper Klipple testing, then some pro-sound destruction testing...) that critical mass sub is rated at 5000 PEAK power, again youve been doing this for a long time...im sure you know the difference between peak and RMS. Oh, believe me, I know the difference and I question these 30kw claims HIGHLY.. lol.. I know the Cmass is 5kw Peak power... you missed the point though...again, you sighted all these crazy numbers, acting as if these guys were somehow unique... not necessarily true.. and honestly I bet your T3 couldn't take a 30kw of proper power for more than a single cycle, much less a few seconds... This is where some proper Pro-Sound destruction testing would come into play... I could hook you up with the right people.. im sure you know your stuff, im not doubting that but im not an idiot and have been building sound systems and mod'ing cars since i was 16(im 29). i know a few things, not all but i do know what im talking about when i speak...if i dont know the answer to a question or cant give knowledgeable advice i keep my mouth(er fingers) shut. I'm sorry man, This came off as bad as it possibly could, and my deepest apologies for that... I do NOT think you are an idiot or anything of the sort... On the contrary, you seems to know more than most... I'm just saying, this company an all of it's merits are a mere 5yrs old.. based on SPL and relatively unknown, so while it DOES have it's place in the world, it's not necessarily amongst the masses.. It's like me trying to get the OP on board with my Cadence gear, SAME THING.. Not a lot of people know about Cadence, and ME being one voice, doesn't mean alot up against companies like Kenwood, MB Quart, RF, Pioneer...ect.. I know from my audio forums that Cadence is a great company, but I also totally understand someones apprehensiveness to jump into them..

[CH@Dbee]

its all good sublimewind....its always good to have a discussion with somebody that knows their ****!T3's owner is a HUGE SPL guy, if you read up on him, many many years ago he was actually the 1st person to do a tone burst in a competition. which changed the world of SPL competitions forever. AGAIN though, just because that is he builds SPL vehicles doesnt mean his companies woofers arent good for SQ cars. that eclipse i posted a link to earlier is one of the most award winning SQ cars of the past 5 years and he runs T3 woofers in it. SQ is waaaaaaaay more build/install/tune than it is woofer brand. i know i dont need that 1500RMS lol its going to be silly loud and overkill for sure. the thing is my entire build, atleast woofers, comps and amps....was all traded for credit on photography work, if i wanted a 5K RMS TSNS 18" and their 3500.1 mono amp i could have that sub/amp set-up sitting here....but that would be stupid lol i agree a ton of power and a ton of cone area isnt needed to have a decently loud and great sounding audio system. people over do it for no reason but for ME because of how i got the equipment i have, why not get some of the nice powerful stuff? i am sure you would have done the same loli highly doubt your old school stuff will go up in flames, we both know most old school gear is much better than most of whats produced today. now everything is outsourced to build houses in china and they just sling out crap.and they will take 30KW, most of their stuff is UNDERRATED to be honest. check it out for yourself...here is quote...Quote, originally posted by Jeremiah25;4459472 »We used the original version of the TSNS in the Team Budweiser Chevy Luv, to win SS 1-2 in 2006. They are an awesome woofer no doubt. They took everything we could throw at them, and we had a lot to throw, with an 18 volt battery bank consisting of 71 batteries and 8 Mojo 4kw's on 2 woofers. We never used the woofers for street beating purposes so I can't tell you much about how they perform in that platform. They "should" do fairly well, considering the motor has scads of cooling, they have a ton of usable throw, and a good suspension that held up to over 50 burps at around 24kw per woofer. Prior to using the TSNS we used the RE MT's, and they were lucky to last 5 burps at 20kw in our application. So the TSNS was a big improvement over the MT for us. Not only in score but durability and consistancy as well.and the link to that thread it came from...http://www.caraudio.com/forums....htmlcadance does has some VERY legit amps! i like their stuff and wouldnt think twice about running their amps. your right though, so many people are so stuff on products like kicker, rockford and JL when they can get better equipment for less money. while those companies do make SOME good product(their higher end) its just too much $ for what you get. it is what it is, if people want to spend their money on mainstream equipment that is subpar to companies like T3, sundown, PSi, DC sound lab, ect....then so be it but im just glad we no longer have to spend $1/per watt like we did in the mid 90's hahhaaa.....man that was expensive compared to today!you didnt come off harsh at all and like i said its always good to talk to somebody that isnt ignorant and has more of open mind besides the people that think the mainstream best buy crap is the end all, be all of car audio lol

[CH@Dbee]

oh! that quy from the CA.com quote....he was using the OLD TSNS which was rated at 16KW for burps.....he put 24KW to them hahhahaaathe NEW ones are rated at 30KW for burps.