What will this really do for my car???

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What will this really do for my car???

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Hi All,Just curious what this will do for the HP of my carhttp://shop.advanceautoparts.c...S____Is it worth it? Does it really increase the HP?Thanks
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its a replacement air filter. thats all
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it might breathe a little bit better than the normal paper air filter that you have now, but not much to notice anything at all.maybe look into a cold air intake or short ram for a little more oooomph on the (removed) dyno.
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It doesn't make a significant change, but you will save some $ over the life of the filter due to you don't have to replace it, just clean it.
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maybe get 1mpg more....but mostly for not having to replace it.
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yeah that wont do anything to increase your hp. Personally I don't like these types of filters because while they're reusable they don't filter as well as regular paper filters.so for me its the paper filters.
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It will allow your engine to breathe a little easier. I put one in my car and I did notice a slight improvement in performance/mileage but you have to be tuned into things like that to really notice. I personally thought it was worth it although keeping up on the cleaning schedule can get to be a hassle.I have one I can sell you if you want to try it out and not pay full price. I ended up replacing mine with a K&N Typhoon SRI which added a significant performance improvement for the price.
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A full intake replacement would get you more gains, and aren't *too* hard to do yourself.
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Quote, originally posted by ponta2147 »A full intake replacement would get you more gains, and aren't *too* hard to do yourself.Agreed. In my opinion, an intake is a must have for everyone. It makes the car sound a little more aggressive without being too loud or droning like an aftermarket exhaust can be. It will typically add a few more horses to make driving more fun and it will typically also add at least 1-2 mpgs which will help save you some money at the pump. It's the best mod I have done to my '09 GT for sure .
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Quote, originally posted by J_TO_ENVY »... it will typically also can at least 1-2 mpgs which will help save you some money at the pump. It's the best mod I have done to my '09 GT for sure .I had to edit your post. You can add some mpgs if you can stay off the throttle. I loved the sound with my intake on, but I started to drive much more aggressively which made me lose mpgs.
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Quote, originally posted by northvibe »maybe get 1mpg more....but mostly for not having to replace it.
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Quote, originally posted by J_TO_ENVY »... it can also add at least 1-2 mpgs which will help save you some money at the pump. It's the best mod I have done to my '09 GT for sure .Quote, originally posted by lovemyraffe »I had to edit your post. You can add some mpgs if you can stay off the throttle. I loved the sound with my intake on, but I started to drive much more aggressively which made me lose mpgs.I had to edit it again for you because it didn't make sense .
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$60!!!! It would take you a long, long time to make that worth while.And I agree, it will do little to nothing for power and even less for mpg's.Plus, if when you clean it you accidently over oil the thing, it can mess up the MAF sensor by choking it (or worse, burning it up) with excess oil.
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I agree. It does not seem worth it.
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I have one. I think it is worth it if you plan on keeping the car for a while. I don't have to pay $10-$15 for a replacement air filter.
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Quote, originally posted by J_TO_ENVY »Agreed. In my opinion, an intake is a must have for everyone. It makes the car sound a little more aggressive without being too loud or droning like an aftermarket exhaust can be. It will typically add a few more horses to make driving more fun and it will typically also add at least 1-2 mpgs which will help save you some money at the pump. It's the best mod I have done to my '09 GT for sure .Quote, originally posted by lovemyraffe »I had to edit your post. You can add some mpgs if you can stay off the throttle. I loved the sound with my intake on, but I started to drive much more aggressively which made me lose mpgs.I've been dabbling with the idea of installing an intake one day. It's good to know that it won't turn my car into one of those awfully loud and horrible sounding old corollas/hondas that you can hear a mile away! Does anyone have any videos/recordings of how the car sounds with this retrofit?Couldn't find much on YouTube .
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I might soon have a sound clip of one of these installed. I think I'm changing my stance on these. before I thought these were pretty much bad but I have a new opinion about them. I still think this doesn't filter as well as paper and I still think the HP gained from one of these is just not noticable. maybe 3 or 4 HP whoopie! but.....maybe this can make the car sound cool! I just installed an injen cold air intake and I'm just too nervous about having something like that on the car. Im pretty sure the CAI was a big waste of money so I gonna be removing itgoodbye CAI!! at least it made the car sound sorta cool! but the list of reasons why I don't like it just keep getting bigger and bigger. I'll put a detailed explanation as to why in my garage thread when I remove it in the near future.
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I have this K&N drop-in filter, but HOLY CRAP did they raise the price! I snagged mine 3 years ago on Amazon for $35 shipped. Upon checking again, you can't get it now for less than $50 shipped.I know the economy is bad, but come on Amazon! And for what it's worth, I get better air flow with mine, especially on the highway. I had a horrible time with my OEM paper filter this spring (I was waiting for my K&N to dry after re-oiling). The cruise control was practically useless on even the slightest incline. Dropped my K&N back in after the oil dried, and everything was right with world again.
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Quote, originally posted by jkm311 »I have this K&N drop-in filter, but HOLY CRAP did they raise the price! I snagged mine 3 years ago on Amazon for $35 shipped. Upon checking again, you can't get it now for less than $50 shipped.I know the economy is bad, but come on Amazon! And for what it's worth, I get better air flow with mine, especially on the highway. I had a horrible time with my OEM paper filter this spring (I was waiting for my K&N to dry after re-oiling). The cruise control was practically useless on even the slightest incline. Dropped my K&N back in after the oil dried, and everything was right with world again.You know your experience brings up some interesting points. I think I know why you had a problem when you went back to the paper filter.did you reset your ECU and unplug your MAF? If you didn't, I think this shows that your cars computer had adjusted itself to the K&N filter so when you just dropped in that paper filter it threw its settings off and thats why it ran crappy. This also demonstates that the oiled type drop in filters do have different airflow rates than the paper ones. I think to reset the ECU you just have to unplug the battery and wait atleast one hour. Somebody told me you should also unplug the MAF sensor while doing this and perhaps waiting several hours is a safer way to go about it. I should probably just check the manuals to get the correct answer for sure.
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Quote, originally posted by vibedrivermatt »did you reset your ECU and unplug your MAF? If you didn't, I think this shows that your cars computer had adjusted itself to the K&N filter so when you just dropped in that paper filter it threw its settings off and thats why it ran crappy. Spot-on observation. I figured as such, which helped to make an apples-to-apples comparison. Keep the ECU in "K&N mode," and see if the paper one can hack it without a reset. Nope. Cough, cough, gasp!
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I switched after I bought a replacement filter for the parts store. It was a bright sunny day, I held it up the sky and I could see blue right through parts of it! I thought to myself if I can see the color of the sky through this thing then that's a hole that dirt can get through and it's another example of Chinese crap on the US market. I went back to the store and started looking at labels on all the filters, STP, Fram, all made in China and probably all by the same Chinese manufacture, all flimsy junk. I decided to get the K&N (made in the USA) then and there and like I said in an earlier post I did notice a difference in performance. So, you pay attention to what you're doing and be careful when you're cleaning and oiling it, what's so hard about that?
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Idk what you all are talking about, but K&N Drop-ins almost always increase power.The price is worth it since they are reusable, but if you are only going to keep the car a year or two it might not be.Getting an intake is an alternative, but if you prefer the silence of the OEM airbox & the performance of a SRI go for the drop-in...it should be good for 2-4whp similar to a SRI.Fuel economy wise, knida hard to say. In reality it should get better economy but not anything you'll really notice. I personally just bought a crappy ebay intake and used one of my K&N cone filters I had laying around. The ebay filters they give with intakes are so crappy you'd be risking your engine by installing them (they chunk apart sucking into your engine).
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