MS3 Surprised by a Vibe....

[06pvibe]

I thought you guys 'n' gals might be interested in this thread. It's from Mazdas247.com where I am known as bbrich57, an Mz3/MS3 Moderator.Keep in mind when reading this (most of you already know I'm sure) that the Mazdaspeed3 is the killer turbocharged 283hp version in the Mazda3 line-up. By comparison, my naturally aspirated 3 HB has a stock 160hp rating. They don't come much quicker than the MS3.http://www.mazdas247.com/forum...64702

[dinkers123]

thats awesome nice to hear about a vibe kicking ***.

[lovemyraffe]

Nice to see that the Vibe can give others a run for their money.

[star_deceiver]

Nothing like getting a good jump to surprise the competition!!!

[northvibe]

...I call shenanigains. that guy says he just got his license he probably cant drive. At take off maybe they were neck in neck but once boost hits and you shift fast enough the ms3 should win..BUT the ms3 does have some very short gears so he prolly had to shift to 3rd to hit 65..while the vibe that all depends on the model.

[keithvibe]

I've personally seen a supercharged 2zz beat a ms3.Quote, originally posted by bbrich57 »For now, and for us, its a great little car... It has "something" even if its not by any means perfect. It makes me WANT to MOD it and see what I could get it to do.turbo it and it tune it right and it will end up beating stock ms3's all day long.

[northvibe]

I think it was more modified than just a bolt on sc though...if i rememberAlso the op said "new vibe gt" so the 2.4 which doesnt have many mods available, unless they custom did a turbo or somehow custom did a scion tC "sc".

[AKLGT]

LOL. maybe at higher speeds you can sorta keep up, but that guy either doesn't know how to drive his car, or there's something wrong with it. I can tell you that my modded 03 Vibe GT would NEVER be able to beat a stock MS3 unless the driver of the MS3 didn't know what he was doing. and ya, taking a modified car vs a stock car isn't the same apples to apples comparison. The supercharger for the 1zz really doesn't give much power. perhaps a super charged or turbo charged 2zz would be a better match, but then again, comparing a highly modified car to a stock car? that's apples to oranges comparison. take like cars and like power mods and then see who wins. and my stock STI will beat a stock MS3. 2 different cars, can't really compare them much other than they're both shaped like a hatch and have a turbo of some kind. LOL

[keithvibe]

Quote, originally posted by northvibe »Also the op said "new vibe gt" so the 2.4 which doesnt have many mods available, unless they custom did a turbo or somehow custom did a scion tC "sc".thats just it he don't say if it's new or old. everyone is all over the place on assuming. I didn't see him say exactly what.I do agree that who ever is behind the wheel of his ms3 was just thinking O DAME i have an MS3 nobody is going to even try and race me... so he never bothered to practice his shifts or learn how to drive it.and read my post again... i said 2zz as in GT/xrs 03-06... not the 1zz.EDIT i do see now he mentioned it was a newer 09

[northvibe]

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe »turbo it and it tune it right and it will end up beating stock ms3's all day long.that could be said for almost any car..but the vibe does weight like 400-500lbs less so if you did mod it up right could be a beast. it just costs a lot. kinda lame they dropped the manual gear box on the new gt's.

[06pvibe]

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe »[QUOTE, originally posted by bbrich57@mazdas247.com]For now, and for us, its a great little car... It has "something" even if its not by any means perfect. It makes me WANT to MOD it and see what I could get it to do.[QUOTE=keithvibe]turbo it and it tune it right and it will end up beating stock ms3's all day long.In der firzzt plaze mine friend, may I remind you that the Vibe is supposed to be my wife's car and she doesn't want all that "stuff." As it is I am trying to restrain myself from what she would consider, "over modding."Second, I have never fully understood the need to spend twice as much on mods as the car cost originally... especially when its only going to be a daily driver and is not a classic. Don't get me wrong here, I have been having a blast and am feeling automotively artistic about this ride. For me, it has been fun to work on and learn about. But another $4k for a turbo, perhaps another $1k to tune it, if I could even find a good tuner, for a car that was +/-$15k new, plus the cost of the other things that have and will do anyway, is more than she would even let me think about spending on this car.Quote, originally posted by bbrich57@mazdas247.com »After reading this thread and in spite of the car not being (in my own words) blindingly fast, I think I will take the Vibe to work w/me tomorrow. Its still a blast to drive, imo.... And I did too. It was fun!!

[AKLGT]

Quote, originally posted by 06pvibe »In der firzzt plaze mine friend, may I remind you that the Vibe is supposed to be my wife's car and she doesn't want all that "stuff." As it is I am trying to restrain myself from what she would consider, "over modding."Second, I have never fully understood the need to spend twice as much on mods as the car cost originally... especially when its only going to be a daily driver and is not a classic. Don't get me wrong here, I have been having a blast and am feeling automotively artistic about this ride. For me, it has been fun to work on and learn about. But another $4k for a turbo, perhaps another $1k to tune it, if I could even find a good tuner, for a car that was +/-$15k new, plus the cost of the other things that have and will do anyway, is more than she would even let me think about spending on this car.as someone who's dumped a lot of money into performance and cars, I completely agree. it's a giant waste of money. cars are not an asset, they depreciate in value so dumping a ton of money into a car that's not really made for performance is just financially unwise. Now, everyone has their own choice how to spend their money, but there comes a point where it's cheaper and better in the long run to buy a vehicle that comes stock with the power and able to handle it (and warranty) than modding the crap out of a car that's not made for it. That's how you get broken motors, transmissions, axles, etc. I mean, I love modding my vehicles and making them my own but there comes a point in life where you realize, it's just plain stupid. Too much money, too much maintenance, too much headache when it's your daily driver and the motor blows up. It downright sucks! ^^ all spoken from personal experience

[northvibe]

yeah the more you have to mod the less reliable.. I've switched the stock FI cars

[06pvibe]

Quote, originally posted by AKLGT »as someone who's dumped a lot of money into performance and cars, I completely agree. it's a giant waste of money. cars are not an asset, they depreciate in value so dumping a ton of money into a car that's not really made for performance is just financially unwise. Now, everyone has their own choice how to spend their money, but there comes a point where it's cheaper and better in the long run to buy a vehicle that comes stock with the power and able to handle it (and warranty) than modding the crap out of a car that's not made for it. That's how you get broken motors, transmissions, axles, etc. I mean, I love modding my vehicles and making them my own but there comes a point in life where you realize, it's just plain stupid. Too much money, too much maintenance, too much headache when it's your daily driver and the motor blows up. It downright sucks! ^^ all spoken from personal experienceYes, let's not forget that a major engine upgrade, such as a turbo, more often than not turns into an engine rebuild before the turbo is even installed! Forged internals ($$$,) lowered compression either through thicker head gaskets or dished pistons, a larger exhaust system front to back. Then you need a stronger clutch and axles to handle the extra torque and stress, bigger/better brakes. Higher stress suspension pieces. You would then need to run premium fuel for the rest of its life, and oil changes would have to come more frequently as well as turbos eat oil. Then there's the ever present danger of the turbo gasket blowing or a blow-off valve sticking. Turbo timers to install....And on, and on.... and most of this will make the car a chore to handle and drive in day-to-day traffic too. By this time, you're ready to dump the car on someone else and buy a Hyundai!!

[northvibe]

you mean buy a ms3 or SS?

[06pvibe]

Quote, originally posted by northvibe »you mean buy a ms3 or SS? Well, I was actually joking about the Hyundai to make the point. What I meant though is after all that and the engine still blows up, you knock out an axle or two, the clutch turns to powder before your eyes, that you might just want to give up and drive a cheap ole' boring regular everyday DD that's reliable, cheap to operate and easy to maintain.It has been said before: Most cars built and meant for racing are a PITA (literally and figuratively) on the street.

[Kincaid]

I see the ms3 driver is "no 18 year old" so I'm assuming he knows what he's doing. I know nothing about ms3's but at a rolling start in 2nd gear my stick shift 2.4L is at the perfect speed to pull hard. I often wind it up in 2nd gear and then just shift right into 4th. I'm not sure how fast I can go in 2nd, but I could visualize making it a race with an unmodded, or very lightly modded Vibe.

[northvibe]

mine should be too bad Its not horrible till the roll cagesee how close I get to this, koni challenge cobalt.

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[AKLGT]

Quote, originally posted by 06pvibe »Yes, let's not forget that a major engine upgrade, such as a turbo, more often than not turns into an engine rebuild before the turbo is even installed! Forged internals ($$$,) lowered compression either through thicker head gaskets or dished pistons, a larger exhaust system front to back. Then you need a stronger clutch and axles to handle the extra torque and stress, bigger/better brakes. Higher stress suspension pieces. You would then need to run premium fuel for the rest of its life, and oil changes would have to come more frequently as well as turbos eat oil. Then there's the ever present danger of the turbo gasket blowing or a blow-off valve sticking. Turbo timers to install....And on, and on.... and most of this will make the car a chore to handle and drive in day-to-day traffic too. By this time, you're ready to dump the car on someone else and buy a Hyundai!! No, just a 2010 Legacy 2.5i non turbo. no turbo = no need to modify for power. however I do plan to add my rear sway bar as it will fit. otherwise, no sense to add more crap to the car because it's not intended to be a race car.