Headlights

06pvibe · Post by **06pvibe** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:28 pm

Besides protective film (Lamin-X) I wanted to increase visibilty on our new Vibe. My wife, who's will be driving the car 99% of the time, will not go for a projector/HID conversion. She hates the ones in my car and I would never hear the end of it if I did that to hers. And for what should be obvious reasons "blue bulbs" are out of the question too.As an alternative to Silverstar Ultras, the easiest bulbs to get but I have never been too crazy about Sylvania anything, I was thinking about these:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...oriesOSRAM used to be a VERY good name in bulbs when they were sistered to Bosch, but I know very little about them these days. Just looking at the wiring, I don't think these would overpower it, but does anyone have any experience or other additional recommendations?

SmAshley · Post by **SmAshley** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:10 pm

I have an 03 & I actually just put in some sylvania silverstars, just the regular ones and I love them. just drove to Calgary from Edmonton which is about 300km & the difference from my stocks is descent. I have a nice wide path on the ditch side of the road and the in front distance is great, they are brite white and dont have that "blue" tint like i thought they would have. Also the ones that I bought from Canadian Tire have right on the packaging "a 12month total satisfaction guarantee " or total refund so i thought that was impressive. Too bad the lady doesn't like the projectors, I would be all over that if I have the time & money.. Hope that lil bit of "review" was a tad helpful.

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:07 pm

Let me know how those Silverstars are working after 3 months. I went through like 3 sets in my civic, every 3 months on the dot they would blow. The lifespan of a silverstar is a little less than 1/3 of a standard halogen. Meaning you get about 1000 hours on a standard, and a SS is rated at about 300. Look for lighting stuff under my name. I've been through all of them. I had stocks, Silverstars, then switched to HIR (Halogen Infra-Red) which were awesome, then HID's, then and finally now I am on the Phillips Xtreme Power. They are by far the best so far.Ratings:Silverstar 5Stock 4HID's 3HIR 2Phillips Xtreme Power 1My experiences go far and wide with other bulbs as well. For me the Silverstars offer more apparenty light, the reason being is that the bulb is tinted. Anything with a tint is going to reduce the amount of useable light, you may have brighter point lighting, but the scatter light off to the sides and down the road is not going to be very advantagous. When I installed the HID kit from Xentex 6000K, it worked great for a year, then a ballast was kinda shotty and the bulb went to a pinkish orange hue. Instead of a replacement bulb or kit, I just pulled them out. The light was a great color and in front of my car was bright. But since our lenses (Matrix and Vibe) are not designed for HID use, there is a lot more light scatter (in a bad way this time) than with other standard bulbs. The glare effect is horrendous and in inclement weather it was a waste. The only way to properly do HID's is to retrofit projectors in. So I guess I could relabel the HID up top to say aftermarket HID.The HIR bulbs were patented by GM but perfected by Toshiba when they purchased the rights. John Deere went to GM to get a bulb that produced upwards of 80% the light of an HID bulb but was a direct replacement for halogen bulbs in tractors. This was back when HID replacements were very expensive. Once Toshiba got the technology they fixed it and the design slightly and thus you had a specialty bulb with a bulbous shape instead of tubular. There was a thin reflective coating of IR material that looked almost rainbow in appearance. This allowed IR light from the filament to be reflected back onto the filament and cause a brighter burn and more light output. So with a standard 55W bulb that used NO additional power you gained a lot of light. The comparison was that a standard OEM halogen low beam produced about 700 lumens of light. The HIR in comparison produced 1100. 1100 Lumens was what an OEM high beam put out, and the High beam HIR was rated at around 1800. This bulb was first put into production use for automobiles in the first generation Dodge Viper and had a replacement cost of $115 per bulb. But their lifespan was similar to an standard halogen (1000 hours). After a time they became pretty popular in aftermarket applications for cars, JD was selling them for $9 a piece and once they got wind of the sudden influx of orders upped the price to $14 and I believe now its almost $25 per bulb. They came in 9011 and 9012 sizes so they could only fit a 9005 and 9006 bulb housing. In order to do so meant cutting one of the holding tabs a little shorter to fit. But it worked great when I had them in.The Phillips Xtreme Power bulbs are new tot he US market in all application sizes as of 2009. I ordered my set for around $40 online. The claim is that they are 80% brighter than standard OEM halogens and it is proven. The technology used incorporates the following (borrowed from Phillips.com)- Palladium-coated head and chrome-coated base- Special anti-reflex coating- Improved geometrical filament design- New gas composition and adapted pressure- Quartz glass with new optical finishSo there was a lot put into these bulbs, and the difference is very noticeable. They are without a doubt the best bulb I have ever used, and have been tested against products like the GE Nighthawk and Silverstar. It is pretty common knowledge to many that the SS bulb is a little flawed, and even the SS Ultra is having issues with longevity. The gained light output is apparent because of the coloring of the bulb. And remember, light output is rated in Lumens not Kelvin. Kelvin is a temperature scale based on color. So a 6000K HID kit is referring to the color (bluish white). The back of a SS pack rates there bulbs in a Kelvin scale as well which is not and indication of light output.

lovemyraffe · Post by **lovemyraffe** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:54 pm

The Phillips are amazing. I put them in my Vibe after burning through the Silverstars.Here is a thread about the Philips. http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=38452

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:46 pm

Didn't wanna go crazy linkin, figured others would take care of that Not to mention I summarized a lot of my other articles and posts on lighting as best I could.But yes, for the Vibe other than running a retrofit HID, Phillips Xtreme are probably the best you can get.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:09 am

Yup. Rockin' Phillips Extreme Power's in my heads and fogs. I love them!! Gonna get some for the wife's Aztek as well.

vibenvy · Post by **vibenvy** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:14 am

Quote, originally posted by Whelan Â»Let me know how those Silverstars are working after 3 months. I went through like 3 sets in my civic, every 3 months on the dot they would blow. The lifespan of a silverstar is a little less than 1/3 of a standard halogen. Meaning you get about 1000 hours on a standard, and a SS is rated at about 300.You must have just had bad luck with the Silver Stars or something because I ran them in both my Sunfires for at least a year each before I sold/traded them and never had a single issue. I have had Silver Stars in the low/high beams and fog lights in my '09 Vibe GT for about 8 months now with no problems. They have also been in my mom's '09 Vibe GT for about 7 months with no issues.Just saying ...

vibolista · Post by **vibolista** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:43 am

Quote, originally posted by lovemyraffe Â»The Phillips are amazing. I put them in my Vibe after burning through the Silverstars.Here is a thread about the Philips. http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=38452 Went through the Philips thread. I was going to do a before and after picture, but my son came up and changed out my lights and stuck the Philips in while I was at work... so no pictures to see the differences from OEM. He wanted one of the OEMs for his Vibe to replace a burned out Silverstar. All I can say is that the Xtremes are very good. The light pattern is bright out to the edges. Low beam has a very sharp cut off along the top, for a regular light, and I had to make no aiming adjustments. Now if they last like a standard light. Not as white as a Silverstar. Did compare them against a friend's 08 Civic. I like the Silverstars, but not their short life span. Tried them on a couple of cars... for about 3 months each. That's not long enough.

UptownVibe · Post by **UptownVibe** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:32 pm

I live in NYC and rarely need to really worry about how bright my lights are... However, I'm going to be taking a cross country trip soon which will take many months (I'm camping the way to Cali and back). That said, since I want bright but 100% reliability (~3000hrs), whats my best option?I dont want to have to pull over and do the whole take the battery out to change a bulb routine in the desert if I can avoid it, ya know!

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:06 pm

Quote, originally posted by J_TO_ENVY Â»You must have just had bad luck with the Silver Stars or something because I ran them in both my Sunfires for at least a year each before I sold/traded them and never had a single issue. I have had Silver Stars in the low/high beams and fog lights in my '09 Vibe GT for about 8 months now with no problems. They have also been in my mom's '09 Vibe GT for about 7 months with no issues.Just saying ...Depends on how much night driving you do. Rate lifespan is 300 hours. If you drive to work in the dark, drive home in the dark, and drive around more at night you will lose more than if you make the occasional night trip. 300 hours in a bulb life is considered pretty low. The Ultras I think bump to 500 but still way subpar to even a standard halogen at 1000 hours.I have them in my 02 Civic as a 9003, horrid, went through 3 sets. Had them in my Matrix, went through a set. At $40 a set that was $160 wasted on light. Quote, originally posted by UptownVibe Â»I live in NYC and rarely need to really worry about how bright my lights are... However, I'm going to be taking a cross country trip soon which will take many months (I'm camping the way to Cali and back). That said, since I want bright but 100% reliability (~3000hrs), whats my best option?I dont want to have to pull over and do the whole take the battery out to change a bulb routine in the desert if I can avoid it, ya know! Remove the battery? Your hands must be huge. It shouldnt take that much work, but if your going cross country, best to upgrade and be sure to carry some spares just in case. I have a spare of each bulb that sits outside my car just in case.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:21 am

Quote, originally posted by Whelan Â»Remove the battery? Your hands must be huge. It shouldnt take that much work, but if your going cross country, best to upgrade and be sure to carry some spares just in case. I have a spare of each bulb that sits outside my car just in case.+1 replacing the driver's side bulb is a tight fit, but it can be done. i've done it a couple times, and not during the summer (yes they were silverstars). plus, the more you change them, the easier it will get definitely upgrade your current bulbs and like whelan said, carry spares

vibenvy · Post by **vibenvy** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:04 am

Quote, originally posted by Whelan Â»Depends on how much night driving you do. Rate lifespan is 300 hours. If you drive to work in the dark, drive home in the dark, and drive around more at night you will lose more than if you make the occasional night trip. 300 hours in a bulb life is considered pretty low. The Ultras I think bump to 500 but still way subpar to even a standard halogen at 1000 hours.I have them in my 02 Civic as a 9003, horrid, went through 3 sets. Had them in my Matrix, went through a set. At $40 a set that was $160 wasted on light.I don't do a ton of nightime driving, but I do a pretty fair amount. Typically when I'm going to work in the morning it's dark. I bet it's been more than 300 hours since I've put the Silver Stars in though and they're still doing great.I had 9007s in my Sunfires and they were better than stock but nothing compared to the Silver Stars in the Vibes. I think it depends on the headlights and such. It seems to me that Silver Stars do better in dual bulb setups (Vibe) than single bulb setups (Sunfire). It also seems to me that the regular Silver Stars are actually brighter than the Ultras (at least they were in my Sunfires). Although, I think for the heck of it I am going to try some Ultras in my Vibe whenever the current Silver Stars burn out.I am happy with them and will continue to use them. Like I said, when it comes to Silver Stars eBay is your friend. I got all three pairs for my Vibe for what one pair costs at Walmart or Auto Zone. There's no way in hell I would pay $35.00+ for headlight bulbs.Just my $.02 though .

vibolista · Post by **vibolista** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:41 pm

If you drive your Vibe at all, you're using up your lights, unless you have the DRLs defeated. The DRLs burn those little filaments during the day and the auto lights turn on the rest when it gets dark.

vibenvy · Post by **vibenvy** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:27 am

Quote, originally posted by vibolista Â»If you drive your Vibe at all, you're using up your lights, unless you have the DRLs defeated. The DRLs burn those little filaments during the day and the auto lights turn on the rest when it gets dark.My AHLs and DRLs have been disabled for about 4 months now.

vibolista · Post by **vibolista** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:36 pm

I need to do that, but it's going to have to get a little warmer before I give it a try.

06pvibe · Post by **06pvibe** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:36 am

Perhaps I just like things to be as flexible as possible, but if I were going to do that mod, I think I would have to install an override switch to enable or disable the function. It seems simple enough to do.

vibenvy · Post by **vibenvy** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:13 am

In my opinion, disabling the AHLs and DRLs was the best "mod" I have done to my Vibe. It's nice having full control of all the lights and knowing I'm not prematurely blowing my headlight bulbs because of the darn DRLs.

Bikerscum · Post by **Bikerscum** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:34 am

Where are you guys getting 9005 & 9006 x-treme powers? All I can find online is in Europe or Australia. Thanks

vibenvy · Post by **vibenvy** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:48 am

Try this thread: http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=38452.Also, found a US seller on eBay selling 9006s for cheap.

Bikerscum · Post by **Bikerscum** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:54 am

Thanks, got a bid in! Any leads on the H11's for the fogs?(Are the fogs H11?) Thanks again

bikeman1 · Post by **bikeman1** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:48 am

Whelan this HID retrofit still looks a heck of a lot easier than just swapping bulbs.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDFznlok5yAI think that is Keith's shirttail cousin from CA in there. I love the part where he bakes the original headlight (he did it again to put it back together...). Note that all power tools shown except the Dremel are Dewalt.Cool music too....Keith you need a producer....

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:42 am

Quote, originally posted by bikeman1 Â»Whelan this HID retrofit still looks a heck of a lot easier than just swapping bulbs.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDFznlok5yAI think that is Keith's shirttail cousin from CA in there. I love the part where he bakes the original headlight (he did it again to put it back together...). Note that all power tools shown except the Dremel are Dewalt.Cool music too....Keith you need a producer....hahaI considered starting my own web page even had all the info and template layed out for it to be launched but, decided not to because the mod business is hit or miss. When I first started I was swamped with work. Now not so much because of everyone putting modding on the back burner because of the market.My retrofits require no cutting that's the difference.

bikeman1 · Post by **bikeman1** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:38 am

I know the guy in the video is not married. If I tried baking a headlight in my wife's oven, she'd have it in the dumpster, pronto. Not sure where I'd be sleeping....

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:41 am

Quote, originally posted by bikeman1 Â»I know the guy in the video is not married. If I tried baking a headlight in my wife's oven, she'd have it in the dumpster, pronto. Not sure where I'd be sleeping....bold and italic is mine... see thats were my wife is different. It's "our" house I pay the mortgage just like she does so it's my oven too.

06pvibe · Post by **06pvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:59 am

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»bold and italic is mine... see thats were my wife is different. It's "our" house I pay the mortgage just like she does so it's my oven too. YeaH!! You tell 'em, Keith. That's the way in my house too.But... you should have seen my wife's face when I put my freshly painted adj upper rear control arms (SPC) in there for 20 mins. Hence I try to do those things when she is at work and air out the house before she gets home... not that she does the same when cooking cabbage, or some other stinky foods.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:06 am

Quote, originally posted by 06pvibe Â»YeaH!! You tell 'em, Keith. That's the way in my house too.But... you should have seen my wife's face when I put my freshly painted adj upper rear control arms (SPC) in there for 20 mins. Hence I try to do those things when she is at work and air out the house before she gets home... not that she does the same when cooking cabbage, or some other stinky foods.Or that stinky nail polish that sinks up the house and gives me a headache. I love it when she does it in the master bathroom just before bed time and don't turn on the exaust fan.

06pvibe · Post by **06pvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:17 am

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»Or that stinky nail polish that sinks up the house and gives me a headache. I love it when she does it in the master bathroom just before bed time and don't turn on the exhaust fan. My wife doesn't often wear nail polish, but I know the smell you are referring to... 'cause I DO!! (Scenes of the '80's hair bands.)j/k

Old Tele man · Post by **Old Tele man** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:25 am

...smell = acetone?

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:28 am

Quote, originally posted by Old Tele man Â»...smell = acetone?I think thats the remover. I'm not sure though. I don't do nails. LOLAll I know is it gives me a headache and stinks to high heavens.

06pvibe · Post by **06pvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:35 am

I think we are all getting a little silly here. We must cease being silly as it is simply not dignified... and we should be a dignified group of car nuts.

bikeman1 · Post by **bikeman1** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:16 am

so the real question is -- which smells worse, burnt freshly upper control arms, or burnt cabbage rolls!either way, I get to sleep on the sofa if I violate the kitchen Accord....the only weapons I have: (a) I change her oil, (b) I correct her when she is slamming her door too hard and make sure her hinges are lubed, and (c) she loves her Vibe (Gamma) and i take care of it.simplifying a complex situation....glad yours is so clear cut keith and pvibe!Quote, originally posted by 06pvibe Â»YeaH!! You tell 'em, Keith. That's the way in my house too.But... you should have seen my wife's face when I put my freshly painted adj upper rear control arms (SPC) in there for 20 mins. Hence I try to do those things when she is at work and air out the house before she gets home... not that she does the same when cooking cabbage, or some other stinky foods.

bikeman1 · Post by **bikeman1** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:23 am

so where in god's name did this post start.....KEITH -- one last question that is on topic (at last!) plus has nothing to do with lug nuts!You saw the Youtube video with the lexus projectors, and I have to say the brightness was extremely impressive. Now we have Whelan whaling on the Phillips Xtremes. The cost is $300-700 vs $40 for the Xtremes. I assume the projectors are brighter than the Xtremes. which would you choose??

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:30 pm

Quote, originally posted by bikeman1 Â»so where in god's name did this post start.....KEITH -- one last question that is on topic (at last!) plus has nothing to do with lug nuts!You saw the Youtube video with the lexus projectors, and I have to say the brightness was extremely impressive. Now we have Whelan whaling on the Phillips Xtremes. The cost is $300-700 vs $40 for the Xtremes. I assume the projectors are brighter than the Xtremes. which would you choose??I'm a bit confused with your question.Are you asking if "any" projector is better than a bumped up "halogen"?If so then yes. There is no comparison. Halogen no matter how "fancy" they are still halogens and will always be like driving with candles compaired to HID's Even my wife is a believer now that I put a set of projectors HID's in to her 2010 kia soul. She thought the stock halogen headlights were great till she drove the first time after I did the install. She loves the extra light especially during those rainy nights when stock halogens don't do diddly squat for lighting the roadway.My projectors aren't all that expensive considering what you get. Though some will say they can get them cheaper from a vender on ebay. By all means go for it. But don't come crying when you have an issue and that vender wants you to send the entire kit back to them in china. I deal with that so you don't have to. I also help people via AIM when they run in to issues and I know my product inside and out and use the very same thing in my own cars. sorry I'll stop rambling on now.So yes, any projector HID is 1,000,000 times better than any trumped up halogen bulb.you decide:my wife's stock headlightsHer retro done

bikeman1 · Post by **bikeman1** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:00 am

Boy, after watching that guy on Youtube put those headlights in the oven and attack them with grinders, self-modding a set of projectors is the farthest thing from my mind!!! But I am still tempted to try plugging in some of those Philips halogens before taking any plunge -- $40 is like airport parking fare. Don't take that I'm not impressed with your lights K! But, how does your wife like the Soul? Sam's Club here (you heard me) had an evil compact with the Kia dealer and had a parking lot sale of Kias this summer and we saw a bunch of them. Dang those things are seriously ugly, but kind of in a cute way! My wife liked them too! I'll bet they would sell boatloads of them esp. if they included a life-size chipmunk doll with each one (for the passenger side). Have you driven it?Drifting in and out of topic....Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»I'm a bit confused with your question.Are you asking if "any" projector is better than a bumped up "halogen"?If so then yes. There is no comparison. Halogen no matter how "fancy" they are still halogens and will always be like driving with candles compaired to HID's Even my wife is a believer now that I put a set of projectors HID's in to her 2010 kia soul. She thought the stock halogen headlights were great till she drove the first time after I did the install. She loves the extra light especially during those rainy nights when stock halogens don't do diddly squat for lighting the roadway.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:31 am

thats the nice thing about mine... no cutting involved. Hardest part is opening up the headlight to mount the projector to the existing bulb socket.It's a love hate issue with people and kia's with quality and styling. They had a very bad name as far as quality goes years ago. But they have turned that around. The styling is individual so I won't get in to a debate about that.My wife loves her soul. Me not so much. I wish it got better gas mileage but that may be just the way my wife drives it. I might be able to get better gas mileage. The car has good get up and go for what it is. It has a great ride height though I want to lower it but the wife won't let me.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:14 am

Yes, if you want HID's, get Keith's projectors!!!

bikeman1 · Post by **bikeman1** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:33 am

I assume she has the 2.0 L not the 1.6. In terms of specs, it looks like a real knock-of of the vibes dimensions, with the difference that it bears about a full 1-2 inches wider and 3 inches shorter body (and wheel base). Yet they preserved the cargo space and passenger room (head and leg). The profile is sort of anti-vibe, more like the old Saturn Vue. But it is still an interesting looking ride. I'll bet it takes a tight turn. I also see the sport models are running 225/45R18's, I think. That's pretty radical. Its book gas mileage is about the same as the Vibe 2.4's. If it had as much pep as the 2.4, I could live with the gas mileage. I'm surprised that that small an engine doesn't do better. Says something for those Putnam Co. WV Toyota engines.I'll have to go demo one sometime. The name is a trip, but it might be fun to have a Black Soul (ar ar). Truth is though we're a 2 vibe family and we have enough Vibe for a long haul to go. Wife's hasn't passed 25K yet and we are starting to lean on the 2009 for long trips (its a beast). It got bad reviews for reliability. Like you say that may be a hangover issue. They haven't been on the road long enough to tell.Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»It's a love hate issue with people and kia's with quality and styling. They had a very bad name as far as quality goes years ago. But they have turned that around. The styling is individual so I won't get in to a debate about that.My wife loves her soul. Me not so much. I wish it got better gas mileage but that may be just the way my wife drives it. I might be able to get better gas mileage. The car has good get up and go for what it is. It has a great ride height though I want to lower it but the wife won't let me.

bikeman1 · Post by **bikeman1** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:39 am

If I do I will BC....wouldn't put myself in the hands of that madman in the video with the grinder !! I'll have to go back and read up on the posts for keith's stuff, which I have not done. These are low-beam projectors only? What do the cops say?Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush Â»Yes, if you want HID's, get Keith's projectors!!!

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:51 am

Quote, originally posted by bikeman1 Â»If I do I will BC....wouldn't put myself in the hands of that madman in the video with the grinder !! I'll have to go back and read up on the posts for keith's stuff, which I have not done. These are low-beam projectors only? What do the cops say?they are bi-xenon and can be used either xenon(lowbeam) or bi-xenon(lowbeam/ highbeam).I work one block from the PA state police troop and pass them on a daily basis and in the time I have had them(projector HIDs) I haven't had one issue.I have passed state inspection twice now with out issue.If anything I am sure they are happy to see projectors. Most who run HID's in reflector housings blind oncoming traffic for miles in advance (if the road is flat)I used to run HIDs in my stock reflector housings but not for long 6-8 months tops. I felt bad blinding everyone (though no one was flashing their headlights at me)Yes we got the 2.0 in the soul but not with the 18" rims. Stock 15" alloys.I could get it to handle better and look better but it's my wife's car and she likes how it is. So I'm not going to do anything else to it unless she asks me. Though to be honest I didn't tell her I was putting in Projectors or upgrading her horn or adding projector fogs I just did it as a suprise. Thats only because I knew she would like the upgrades. I think we have hijacked this thread long enough so, please if you would like to discuss this further please send it in a IM to me.Thankssorry for hi-jacking your thread06pvibe

06pvibe · Post by **06pvibe** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:56 am

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»... sorry for hi-jacking your thread06pvibeNo problem at all. I don't mind a bit, just glad everyone is discussing the issue and the possibilities.I should add that I even hijack my own threads sometimes.

ehoff121 · Post by **ehoff121** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:22 am

Just a performance report on the Phillips X-Treme:Put them in headlights and fog lights back in early July 2010.This past Monday, the driver's side low beam went out.According to bulbs.com, the average rated life of the bulb is 150-320 hours. http://www.bulbs.com/eSpec.asp...fId=0

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