I asked my dealer about the oil capacity in my GT...

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:16 am

I went to the dealer to by an oil filter for my next change. While I was there....I asked a guy in the service dept. about the fact that even though the oil capacity in my GT is 4.8 qts, I am getting full on my dipstick at about 4.2 qts. They, of course, asked me if I was checking it on a level surface.....after all of the oil had drained.....yada yada yada. After answering all of their questions of that nature, he told me to try and pull the filter off first and then drain the rest of the oil ( I usually drain the oil and then pull off the filter). Other than that.....they have no idea why I am getting full on the dipstick with 4.2 qts of oil.Jim

QUIKAG · Post by **QUIKAG** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:28 am

I drain my oil/filter and put on a new filter and 5 full quarts and am just BARELY above the full line. As hard as I run my motor, I like having a solid dose of Mobil 1 synthetic in my car. I don't know why you're only getting 4.2 quarts...Are you waiting overnight without running the motor before checking the oil level? If not, you're not giving enough time for the oil to drain back into the pan and give an accurate reading.

NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 4:01 am

When are you getting that reading? With an empty or full filter?

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:10 pm

I am assuming it is with a full filter. After I change my oil, I will run the engine for a couple of minutes and shut it off. After letting it sit for a few minutes, I 'll check it and take my reading. I have also checked it first thing in the morning after letting it sit overnight. I am going to change it on Thursday. I will see what happens then.Jim

NovaResource · Post by **NovaResource** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 8:50 pm

Very strange.

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:16 am

On my next change, I am almost tempted to put 4.8 qts in it to see once again where it is on the dipstick. I purchased a filter from the dealer this time around but it is no bigger than the Purolater that I am using. If I put 4.8 qts in it and it is a good ways above the full notch, I will take it to the dealer and have them look at it.Jim

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:18 am

LOL....I was just thinking...maybe I inadvertently got some sort of hybrid engine in my car......a base engine factory modded to the extra lift GT engine but still with the base oil capacity!! Just kidding of course.Jim

lumpcus · Post by **lumpcus** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:57 pm

Very strange. but i don't recomend putting in more oil then what is needed. it creates a condition where the oil splashes around and mixes with air in the oil pan causing it to foam in the oil pan. We all know that foamed oil cannot protect engine parts as well.

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:18 am

Agreed......the tech at the dealer said the same thing basically. He said to put enough oil in it to fill it to the full line even though that amount may be less than 4.8 qts.Jim

Vibe Rater · Post by **Vibe Rater** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:25 am

Is the dealer giving you the correct filter? I think I remember someone saying that the GT filter is much longer than the base filter, thus it would hold more oil. I would try putting in the full 4.8 if you do have the right filter. If it goes over the full line, drain some out before you drive it.

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:48 am

That was my first thought and why I went to the dealer for a filter. I thought that maybe the Purolater I was using was just smaller than the factory filter. I may try another brand or go to the Toyota deaker for a filter to see how big they are compared to the Purolater.Jim

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:49 am

Had to reply once again to get my 100th post Jim

Vibe Rater · Post by **Vibe Rater** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:29 am

Do you recognize the guy in my Avatar Kissfan79?

wildvibe · Post by **wildvibe** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:26 pm

the oil filter the dealer put on mine was alot smaller than the Fram filter I put on Enough of a difference that it could very well mean .6 of a quart

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:39 pm

It is kinda' small but I would have to say that looks like Paul w/o makeup. My first thought was that it was Gene but the chin makes me think it is Paul. Jim

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:47 pm

That was exactly why I went to the dealer for a filter. I stopped by Advance Auto Parts today to get some oil and a filter for my wife's Explorer and I decided to buy another Purolater for my GT to compare with AC Delco I got from the dealer. It turns out that the Purolater (who did have two different filters for the base and GT...for which the GT filter was indeed longer) is longer by an inch or so. Now....get this.....the filter sold to me by the dealer has on the side of the box "replaces Purolater 14476"...which happens to be the filter listed by Purolater for the base engine. The filter I have is a Purolater 14477 which is supposed to be for the GT. I specifiaclly asked the guy at the Pontiac parts dept. is this the filter (AC Delco) for the GT and not the base. He said yes. Advance also had this smaller AC Delco listed for the GT. I will put on this Purolater filter when I change my oil tommorrow and see what happens. I still would like to go to the Toyota dealer and see how big thier filters are. I assume I would just ask for a filter for a Matrix XRS with the 2ZZ engine in it?Jim

Vibe Rater · Post by **Vibe Rater** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:31 pm

quote:It is kinda' small but I would have to say that looks like Paul w/o makeup. My first thought was that it was Gene but the chin makes me think it is Paul. JimYou are correct. I took the picture.

Vibe Rater · Post by **Vibe Rater** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:36 pm

I always use the Toyota filter in my base. They have 2 different filters, one for base & one for the 2ZZ (XRS / GT). More oil = better.

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:33 am

You are the man....when did you meet Paul....during his stint on Phantom of the Opera?Jim

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:34 am

How much does the Toyota filter run and do they acknowledge that it is for the Vibe GT as well....just out of curiosity.Jim

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:27 am

Ok....here's the deal....I changed my oil and put 4.75 qts of oil in her. The dipstick reading is about 1/4" above full on the dipstick with the reading taken in 3 different locations to ensure correct readings. I called two dealerships about this and this is what they said: Dealer#1- He said the dipstick tube may be a bit off or the dipstick may be a bit off being as they are mass manufactured. He siad if it were him, he would just keep putting 4.8 qts in it and not worry about the small overage. Dealer#2 (The one I bought it from)-He said that if memory served him correct, they have been putting in about 4.5 qts in the GTs they service. He said if it were him, he would go with the larger Purolater filter and go with 4.5 qts of oil. Right now, I am leaining toward dealer#2's reccomendations. Any thoughts?Jim

Al 03VibeGT · Post by **Al 03VibeGT** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:24 am

Guys that know me might remember I have a 96 Ram Air T/A that I regularly race...but the principles used are the same on any car. The best way to change oil is to:1)allow the car to run for 5 minutes to warm up, 2) once cool enough to touch, remove the oil filter then the oil plug,3) reinstall the plug don't laugh, we've all done it at least once4) prior to installing the new oil filter, spread a thin coat of oil on the seal with your finger to prevent binding on install and difficulty removing next oil change, 5) fill the new oil filter with fresh oil (this is done to prevent dry-starting your car. Until the oil pressure builds and the empty filter fills with oil, the engine is starved for oil. Prefilling speeds the process and protects from this occurring. Also, it ensures you are adding the correct amount to the car. Granted, this doesn't always work on every car, only vehicles that use a vertical filter. If the filter is installed horizontally, you can't do this.6) Finally, fill with the remaining oil. DO NOT OVER FILL! This can cause alot of problems, more than I will go into here.7) Start the engine. Allow it to warm up for five minutes. Turn off and allow to cool for five minutes.8) ALWAYS check the level when finished. Again, I'm sure more than a few of us put in too much or too little on one occassion, so it's not a bad idea to count the empty quarts and check the level. 9) Double check the plug and filter...if there are no leaks, you done!Using a longer than stock filter isn't a new idea. I learned this trick years ago and have been using it on my T/A since day one. First, it allows me to use the whole quart, instead of having half quarts lying around. The added Synthetic provides a bit more lubricating "insurance" and the added volume helps to dissapate some of the engine heat (the oil acts as a heat sink). Most importantly, I use the larger filter because of the additional surface area the longer filter provides. Poor flow is the biggest killer to an engine. If the filter constricts the free-flow of oil back to the motor at high rpm...your done for. At 8000 rpm, the 2zz motor will not last long if starved for oil. More surface area allows the oil to flow into and out of the filter easier. As for brands....Fram has been tested and shown to be one of the worst filters on the market. I've used the Purolator Pure One for years because of the study...folow the link below:http://www.frankhunt.com/FRANK/corvette ... study.html

Vibe Rater · Post by **Vibe Rater** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:25 am

I have a friend who is obsessed with getting his picture taken with celebrities (about 5000 right now). He has a killer collection of KISS negatives with & without makeup, on and off stage. KISS is an easy get according to him. Stanley was at home in Toronto during his Phantom gig, often seen downtown in restaurants and malls. KISS is very open to the fans and will readily stop for a photo or autograph. Do you have any photos or negatives of KISS? Also, do you have any ticket stubs?P.S. Should we move this to 'The Lounge'?

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:32 am

quote:How much does the Toyota filter run and do they acknowledge that it is for the Vibe GT as well....just out of curiosity.JimAbout $6 for the base filter. I asked the Toyota guy for a filter for a Vibe, he starts typing and goes, "you said a Highlander, right?" I was like NOOOOO, Vibe genious. He had no clue what I said. I changed my statement and went "Matrix." He's like ohhhhh. Then asked if it was 1ZZ or 2ZZ engine. Told him 1ZZ. He gave me the filter.Installed it, refilled...oil came exactly to the fill line, hasn't gone up or down since. Will definitely get another Toyota filter next round. Why? Because it works. And don't fix what ain't broke.

Kissfan79 · Post by **Kissfan79** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:58 am

Sure....we can take this to the lounge...Jim

retiredfields · Post by **retiredfields** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:26 pm

I just did my first oil change at 1600 miles. Fram filter and 4 qts of oil to fill my GT engine. ???????

DavidPIL · Post by **DavidPIL** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:56 am

Yeah, my first oil change was an experience. The place didn't have any info on it. I told them it should have 4.8 quarts but they still had trouble locating the right filter. Anywho, I figured all was ok. Took a 530 mile trip to Kansas and noticed the engine was VERY sluggish going up a moderate hill on the highway. Felt like my old 138hp Ranger through the West Virginia Mountains. I was not happy. Checked the oil some time later and saw that it was over the full mark by around 3/4" YIKES! I hope that was the problem so I drained nearly all the way down to the full. It seems to be better now but I haven't been on any extended drives to really find out. If they actually put in 4.8 quarts, it does look to be around 4.2 which will be left after the drainage. because we're talking Toyota really, could the published quantity be in some metric amount and somehow got mixed up in the conversion?!?!Dave

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:15 am

quote:5) fill the new oil filter with fresh oil (this is done to prevent dry-starting your car. Until the oil pressure builds and the empty filter fills with oil, the engine is starved for oil. Prefilling speeds the process and protects from this occurring. Also, it ensures you are adding the correct amount to the car. Granted, this doesn't always work on every car, only vehicles that use a vertical filter. If the filter is installed horizontally, you can't do this.6) Finally, fill with the remaining oil. DO NOT OVER FILL! This can cause alot of problems, more than I will go into here.Probably more important than step 5 is step 5.55.5 Install the new filterOtherwise a great writeup

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