New Goodyear low resistance tire

[cycleb]

Anyone try them yet? Opinions, comparisons, suggestions?Thanks

[HighMileVibe]

If they are like other goodyears, the scream like a banshee after a year or so. I like Michelins when I can afford them, otherwise the korean tires are just an amazing value: Sumitomo, Kumho and Hankook. All are generating great reviews on the track too.

[star_deceiver]

A freeway tire, designed for fuel economy and tread life, with a name designed to make the tire more expensive. 130000km continentals have been doing that for years, without the price though!

[Sublimewind]

LOL @ low resistance tires... Let's harden the compound up as much as possible so people can sacrifice any sort of performance or safety, driving around on plastic tire... This bothers me A LOT.... You've got 4 contact patches about the size of the palm of your hand (maybe) between you, the weight of your car, and the road... I don't know about you, but i WOULD NOT trust my family to something like that... Tires/gas ARE NOT "that" expensive, but insurance claims and possible hospital time ARE.. or worse... death... High milage tires do their magic by using a hard compound... This also effects the "performance" aspect of the tires... I'm NOT talking about burning turns (which i'm sure at this point you are wondering about my agenda)I'm talking about braking and "slip" especially in the RAIN.. I'm sorry, RANT OFF.... lol... If I hadn't said it before, welcome to GV.. I'm well known for the above statements... tryin to keep my peoples SAFE... mileage and wear I could care less about... Safety is KEY..

[Old Tele man]

...people need to learn about "hysteresis" and it's affect on LRR....it's *why* nearly-worn out tires have much lower rolling resistance than same tire does when brand new and having lots of tread depth!

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by Old Tele man »...people need to learn about "hysteresis" and it's affect on LRR....it's *why* nearly-worn out tires have much lower rolling resistance than same tire does when brand new and having lots of tread depth!I know what hysteresis is, but not LRR...?? Low Rolling Resistance?? Splain yourself... I must demand it... (and welcome the lesson...lol..)

[vibolista]

I haven't done much homework on these new low resistance gummies, but I've read about some of the work to engineer the tire carcass to roll more efficiently. I don't think it's just making a plastic like rubber, or you would harden the sidewalls and possibly make the thing roll less efficiently, anyway. I've had long lasting tires with UTQG numbers up at 700, with little effect of braking or turning performance. Rubber formulations have been improving with the use of man-made compounds. I certainly wouldn't take these tires racing, but for every day use, have performed very well for me. My beater Saturn SW2 wagon has been running a set of summer Bridgestone Turanza LS-T's since 2001. They have worn like iron and made a lot of long distance summer trips. I can't find fault with them. These old Turanzas are in their last summer season now and are still not completely down to their wear bars. No flat spots, feathering or even noise. I fear they might be rotting, since they really should be rotting by now. They have gone way beyond what I would consider normal miles for any tire. With the amount of tread left, I would not press them too much in heavier rain... but I continue to be amazed by them. They go on in April and go off in late November, unless winter comes earlier. I bought the car with 38k on it and now has 150k. I'm sure they don't make these any more.

[Old Tele man]

Hysteresis, in tires, is energy "lost" to flexing--flexing of tire tread, flexing of sidewalls, flexing of body belts, etc."Hysteresis is the main cause of energy loss associated with rolling resistance and is attributed to the viscoelastics characteristics of the rubber." WIKI."Low rolling resistance (LRR) tires typically incorporate silica in place of carbon black in their tread compounds to reduce low-frequency hysteresis without compromising traction[4]." WIKI"California has tire rolling resistance laws that went into effect in July 2008[8]." WIKI--via Autoblog Green....most typical current tires have rolling resistance coefficient (Crr) of between 0.0060 and 0.012, while LRR tires are between 0.0050 and 0.0090, but those are 2003 numbers...todays LRR tires are closer to 0.0050.

[vibolista]

OTm, are they going to stick individual Crr data on LRR tires some time soon?... or is it published somewhere we might find it online?

[Old Tele man]

...EPA has a 2003 report (#196?) that listed quite a few tires (that's were I learned our Goodyear Eagle RS-A P205/55R/16 is 0.0092)....California is "mandating" them, so surely something in CA has them ranked and listed?!?!

[Sublimewind]

I bet the benefits don't out weight the cost... I won't even get into the safety aspect.. most here know my stance on that..

[jake75]

We sacrifice some mpg for other safety features, e.g. hauling around the extra weight of ABS, Stability Control, additional airbags, etc. I agree that safer tires would be worth the mall decrease in mileage. That said - getting good info to properly shop for tires is complicated.Repeating what I have often said, I think car manufacturers are leaving money on the table by not at least offering an option of higher quality tires.

[Old Tele man]

re: "...I think car manufacturers are leaving money on the table by not at least offering an option of higher quality tires."...agreed, but they're (OEM) only interested in selling "...the package..." not the "...parts..." although they often offer "upgraded" tires with their High Performance cars, but never (to my knowledge) have they offered "...better MPG..." tires (LRR)....looks like California is "forcing" them into LRR tires just as they did smog emissions and OBD-1 and OBD-II, ie: the "government" knows what's GOOD for you, regardless of whether you want or need it!"

[jake75]

most interested in "safer" tires.

[Old Tele man]

...a "safer" tire is kinda like a "safer" bullet...it's really a problem of the USER more than the product....remember, all the cars "meet" the minimum Gov't Safety requirements, including the tires used.

[ColonelPanic]

Quote, originally posted by Old Tele man »but never (to my knowledge) have they offered "...better MPG..." tires (LRR).The just-released Kia Forte has an optional fuel economy package that contains LRR tires in addition to various other fuel saving technologies. Only other "regular" car I can think of that has them is the Cobalt XFE. LRR's are pretty standard fare on the hybrids.I'd like to try some next time... I do agree with you that "safety" is more of a user issue than anything - that goes for pretty much any consumer product. Unless they have actual defects - *cough* Firestone *cough* Ford Explorer...

[Old Tele man]

re: "...The just-released Kia Forte has an optional fuel economy package that contains LRR tires in addition to various other fuel saving technologies. Only other "regular" car I can think of that has them is the Cobalt XFE. LRR's are pretty standard fare on the hybrids."...you are 100% correct, I should've mentioned the Cobalt XFE and Pontiac G5 XFE (actually wanted to buy one, but none available!)...Continental tires as I recall....Prius, Insight, etc. use LRR tires too, I guess.

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by Old Tele man »...a "safer" tire is kinda like a "safer" bullet...it's really a problem of the USER more than the product....remember, all the cars "meet" the minimum Gov't Safety requirements, including the tires used.A safer car IS like a safer bullet, if you only have to use ONE, ONCE in your life, to save your life, it's worth every single penny, plus... And the gooberment is looking out for OUR safety??? Minimum safety requirements... lol.. German cars have to have side impact door beams installed, for them to be imported... Is it because they aren't safe cars? or maybe it's because the instance of T-bone accidents is far greater here.. Do you know how many BILLIONS would have been saved if the gooberment just mandated a large metal spike in the center of the steering wheel, instead of seat belts and airbags... BILLIONS... who's gonna wreck a car with a metal spike staring you down???? think about it for a second..... All these "safety" features... Who are they making safe? thousands of people a year die on the roads... STILL... maybe they are making drivers more complacent... ever think of that possibility?I saw a show once, at the time they said it took the average German. 2 weeks to get a license, not WAITING, but in CLASS... and roughly 2k$ in expense... It's a wonder why they are far superior at driving, LESS safe cars... It's all eyewash, just like the "war on drugs".... both of which have done nothing but spend money, lots and lots of money.. ... Sure it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy inside, because "they are doing their part" but neither have really done ANYTHING about the root problem... Drivers/addicts.. Safer cars hasn't stopped or even slowed accidents on the roads.. No, it's taught a bunch of uneducated drivers to "trust" in their car, that much more... not bothering with the loose nut behind the wheel... When you first got your license, how safe where cars? Tires? Brakes? Did you know a lot of people getting into wrecks? How about speed crazed street racers? (I think they called them drag races, right? not "street" races) Let's not forget some the The Beach Boys best songs now.. lol... So, when you want to go on about safety, tell me, what will the outcome be when you are doing, say, 45, and someone pulls out in front of you, you swerve, you start to skid, while rolling along on LRR tires? As a "user" ...Are YOU prepared? Rant off....

[vibolista]

Funny thing, in the 'old days', cars didn't have collapsible steering wheel columns, so if you got hit just right, the thing would get shoved right into you. Kinda like the metal spike.In Germany learning to drive meant learning dynamics. We were taught how to parallel park. They are taught how to handle a car in a skid. 'Super Safe Cars' allow drivers to take big chances. I see it every day. Running red lights is now common.Coming home tonight I was on a dual divided highway, a semi in the right lane stopped at the stop light. I was decellerating in the left lane and a line of cars was pulling across from right to left on their green light. My light turned green and I started to ease on the gas. Cars kept popping out from the right and continued to cross the road, and at least 4 of them crossed in front of me by running through their red light. If I had been a guy in a hurry, it would have been a nice accident. I had to stop (with a green light) and let these fine drivers through. I wish I could get special traffic law dispensation like they had. In cases like this, it's situational awareness and patience that helps prevent accidents. But all the situational awareness and patience in the world, riding on the stickiest tires on the planet will still not save you from wacko drivers. And now we have to add people that text while driving. Either you're texting or you're driving, but not both. My rant, over and out.

[star_deceiver]

Quote, originally posted by vibolista »Super Safe Cars' allow drivers to take big chances. I see it every day. Running red lights is now common.Coming home tonight I was on a dual divided highway, a semi in the right lane stopped at the stop light. I was decellerating in the left lane and a line of cars was pulling across from right to left on their green light. My light turned green and I started to ease on the gas. Cars kept popping out from the right and continued to cross the road, and at least 4 of them crossed in front of me by running through their red light. If I had been a guy in a hurry, it would have been a nice accident. I had to stop (with a green light) and let these fine drivers through. I wish I could get special traffic law dispensation like they had. In cases like this, it's situational awareness and patience that helps prevent accidents. But all the situational awareness and patience in the world, riding on the stickiest tires on the planet will still not save you from wacko drivers. And now we have to add people that text while driving. Either you're texting or you're driving, but not both. This is why I have no problem with Red light cameras and to a lesser extent, Photo radar. Too bad the fines for running a red/yellow light are so small (about $150/$125 here +3/0 points). There used to be photo rasar here, they used GMC safaris exclusivly. Everyone said that photo radar was a cash grab but if you were stupid enough NOT to see a GMC Safari van on the shoulder of the road then you deserve the ticket!A better "minimum safety" feature would be to Re-test EVERY driver each time you went to renew your licence.... but why better the people when you can sell someone stabilitrack and traction control w/ bells and whistles to let you know your espresso's getting cold and make people think they're better drivers. BTW on-star calling is just as distracting as chatting with the cell to your ear!

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by vibolista »Funny thing, in the 'old days', cars didn't have collapsible steering wheel columns, so if you got hit just right, the thing would get shoved right into you. Kinda like the metal spike.In Germany learning to drive meant learning dynamics. We were taught how to parallel park. They are taught how to handle a car in a skid. 'Super Safe Cars' allow drivers to take big chances. I see it every day. Running red lights is now common.Coming home tonight I was on a dual divided highway, a semi in the right lane stopped at the stop light. I was decellerating in the left lane and a line of cars was pulling across from right to left on their green light. My light turned green and I started to ease on the gas. Cars kept popping out from the right and continued to cross the road, and at least 4 of them crossed in front of me by running through their red light. If I had been a guy in a hurry, it would have been a nice accident. I had to stop (with a green light) and let these fine drivers through. I wish I could get special traffic law dispensation like they had. In cases like this, it's situational awareness and patience that helps prevent accidents. But all the situational awareness and patience in the world, riding on the stickiest tires on the planet will still not save you from wacko drivers. And now we have to add people that text while driving. Either you're texting or you're driving, but not both. My rant, over and out. I agree 1000000000000000%

[ned23]

I have not, but I did put Michelin Energy tires on my 2004 Vibe. They did increase mileage by about 1 mpg and they were quieter. I also thought they actually handled better than the OEM Tires.

[joatmon]

Quote, originally posted by star_deceiver »A freeway tire, designed for fuel economy and tread life, with a name designed to make the tire more expensive. 130000km continentals have been doing that for years, without the price though!Not many of us who bought new 2003's are likely to ever buy continental tires again.Quote, originally posted by vibolista »My beater Saturn SW2 wagon has been running a set of summer Bridgestone Turanza LS-T's since 2001. They have worn like iron and made a lot of long distance summer trips. I can't find fault with them. After my factory continentals wore out, I put a set of Turanza LS-T's on, and replaced them over 100K miles later. They did wear like iron. They also had the wet traction of iron.Supposedly Bridgestone has been moving to a soifter rubber to address some of that wet traction issue on some of their tires, dropping the treadwear rating on them.I had a set of Goodyear tripletreads on the car now. My MPGs dropped about 2 when I switched form the Turanzas to the tripletreads., but I'm still undecided if it was from the tires or from the alignment I got at the same time. Guess they've got about 60K miles on them, and they are badly cupped. I'll need a new set soon, won't be more of those.

[vibolista]

Quote, originally posted by joatmon »After my factory continentals wore out, I put a set of Turanza LS-T's on, and replaced them over 100K miles later. They did wear like iron. They also had the wet traction of iron.Supposedly Bridgestone has been moving to a soifter rubber to address some of that wet traction issue on some of their tires, dropping the treadwear rating on them.I had a set of Goodyear tripletreads on the car now. My MPGs dropped about 2 when I switched form the Turanzas to the tripletreads., but I'm still undecided if it was from the tires or from the alignment I got at the same time. Guess they've got about 60K miles on them, and they are badly cupped. I'll need a new set soon, won't be more of those. Wet traction started to suffer once the tread got scuffed off closer to the wear bars... but that would be true with any tire. On trips to the Indianapolis Speedway and down to Florida I drove through a lot of rain on the Turanzas, especially in Florida, with no problem at highway speeds.Interesting to hear about the TripleTreds. Same thing happened to my wife's TripleTreds. Around 10,000 miles we started to hear rumbles and then flat spotting. These tires were never abused, but they got so noisy by 40K that we went back to the dealer to put a new set on the car. These did the same thing. And we rotated every 6K. My son is now suffering with a set as well, but only during winter.

[Old Tele man]

...the above conversations have raised an interesting question in my mind: which is more economical? (a) LRR tires that wear out faster and cost more or (b) normal tires that eat away some of your 'possible' gasmilage but cost less and might last longer?...hmmmm, GASOLINE or RUBBER? which is likely to be in short supply in the future?...time to drag out the old abacus and see what the the "beads" have to say...