Need quick answer : dog possibly got into rat poision

[Sublimewind]

Ok,The dog was carrying around a chunk of "Blue Death D-bar" for controlling mice...(we don't keep it around, i'm at my parents and it was tucked way back in the basement) We don't think she got any, there weren't any tooth marks on the bar... But not long after I found another chunk on the basement steps.. I've given 2 teaspoons worth of Hydrogen Peroxide as I found online that would induce vomiting, but she hasn't thrown up yet (it was old) Again, I don't think she got much if any down, but i'm trying to be cautious

[Herb]

Can you tell me what the active ingredient is?In general most rodenticides are anti-coagulants and foods rich in vitamin K can counteract themKeep in mind a dog in general is much larger than a rat and would need to consume much more to ingest a fatal dosage.I would try calling your local poison control as well as trying to find an MSDS sheet on the product

[lovemyraffe]

I hope he's ok!

[Herb]

I've been able to dig up an MSDS sheet and signs of diphacinone"Signs and Symptoms of Diphacinone PoisoningNOTE! There may be other diseases and chemicals that have similar symptoms.If you have a poisoning emergency in the United States call 1-800-222-1222.If the victim has collapsed or is unconscious, call 911.Diphacinone is a Coumarin or Indandione compound.Report a PoisoningSymptoms of Poisoning with Coumarin or Indandione CompoundsFind Products Containing this Chemical- Nosebleeds, bleeding gums, bloody urine, extensive bruising in the absence of injury (ecchymoses).- Fatigue, shortness of breath (dyspnea) on exertion.- May cause fluid in lungs (pulmonary edema)."

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[Herb]

I hope your dog is OK as well. I've seen a hamster eat a good portion of a chunk of rodent bait and pooed out blue poo for a couple of days but he did survive after eating feed with vitamin k. This happened at a pet food store that lost a bunch of hamsters and one of them ended up outside in a rodent bait station. I'd imagine your dog would have to have eaten alot to really injure her, so likely you shouldn't panic. Personally for myself, I take a medication that's a common rat poison on a daily basis, and I'm fine.And for future reference, keep all pesticides and toxic materials in secure containers if you have pets or children at home

[ou.grizzly]

Take your dog to the vet ASAP as poison can lead to renal failure.

[Herb]

Quote, originally posted by ou.grizzly »Take your dog to the vet ASAP as poison can lead to renal failure. That's probably a good idea. Also print out a copy of the MSDS sheet I posted above and bring it along to the vet as well

[BlueCrush]

X3 get to a Vet asap. Bring a sample of the rat poison as well as the MSDS that Herb suggested. Best of luck! I hope your dog is ok...

[808 Vibes]

Go to the vet NOW. I hope she is OK!

[ou.grizzly]

That MSDS information basically indicates that the bar is an anticoagulant. High risk for bleeding out. I do hope Aaron gets the pup to the vet... Quote, originally posted by Herb »Can you tell me what the active ingredient is?In general most rodenticides are anti-coagulants and foods rich in vitamin K can counteract themKeep in mind a dog in general is much larger than a rat and would need to consume much more to ingest a fatal dosage.I missed this post. This is good information. One would think the vet would lavage, give Vit K via parental route (shot or IV), and maybe very small amount of coagulant depending on lab values.

[Sublimewind]

Well, I spoke to the vet.... He said induce vomiting and as some have said, Vitamin K .. .I still still trying to induce vomiting, she's not wanting to though... Well, she has 2 times, but it's just a little, not the whole stomach... I have some multi-vitamins at home.. they are called "Green Source" http://www.puritan.com/multivi...06222Should be loaded with Vit K... dirived from green veggies.. I'm going to head to the pharmacy and get some Vit K tabs to be sure...

[ColonelPanic]

Get the dog to the emergency vet if you have one near by! They surely will be able go get all that bad stuff out of the tummy.Hope she's ok.

[Kari]

If you haven't gotten her to vomit yet, give her more peroxide...sometimes it takes a lot, especially if she is big. Our Cocoa will hold out on you for a long time and she is only 15 lbs.And once you get her to vomit, do take her to the vet.

[ou.grizzly]

It does not look like those supplements have much Vitamin K. How close are you to the Michigan State University Aaron? They have an excellent Vet Hospital, tops in the Nation. Please take the little one to a Vet ASAP. I know in the past you questioned your current vet and were in the process of switching. I do hope you did not contact the vet you were not going to see anymore for advice.

[Sublimewind]

Ok,She completely purged a little while ago, and through some disgusting inspection, I didn't find any indication of the poison... I will be giving her the Vitamin K as a precautionary measure.. if I see anything out of the ordinary between now and Monday, i'll take her in.. This is going to sound aweful, But I simply don't have the money for an emergency vet visit.. Heck, I don't have the money for a normal vet visit right now... I know many of you don't want to hear this, but it is what it is..

[BlueCrush]

At least she completely purged and you found nothing. That's good! I totally understand about not having the $ to take her in. Been there many times. Had to delay many vet visits due to lack of money. You took the best course of action possible. I hope she remains ok and you won't have to take her in.

[Kari]

I would get her some real Vitamin K tablets with only that in them -- certain other vitamins in large amounts can be harmful to dogs. Calcium and Vitamin D in particular....not sure about others. Someone said earlier that the supplement you posted about doesn't have a lot of Vitamin K in it, so a bottle of just Vitamin K tablets might be a good investment here.

[2002sportside]

For future reference (for anyone) the ASPCA animal poison control center number is 888-426-4435.There may be a $60 consultation fee though...

[Sublimewind]

Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush »At least she completely purged and you found nothing. That's good! I totally understand about not having the $ to take her in. Been there many times. Had to delay many vet visits due to lack of money. You took the best course of action possible. I hope she remains ok and you won't have to take her in.Thanks and yes, this troubles me greatly... That is why i'm doing everything in my power, outside of an E-vet visit... I'm MUCH more confident now that she's purged and I didn't find what I was concerned about... I've read many things now in the past few hours and while i'm still a little worried, i'm not nearly as worried as I was earlier... My GF just picked up some Vitamin K1 and is on her way home... I found that 2mg/kg is the general dosage for this and will start giving it to her as soon as I get home (a few minutes from now) I've also read numerous accounts of this happening (with much higher dosages) and treatments have almost always worked...

[ou.grizzly]

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind »Thanks and yes, this troubles me greatly... That is why i'm doing everything in my power, outside of an E-vet visit... I'm MUCH more confident now that she's purged and I didn't find what I was concerned about... I've read many things now in the past few hours and while i'm still a little worried, i'm not nearly as worried as I was earlier... My GF just picked up some Vitamin K1 and is on her way home... I found that 2mg/kg is the general dosage for this and will start giving it to her as soon as I get home (a few minutes from now) I've also read numerous accounts of this happening (with much higher dosages) and treatments have almost always worked... How much does your pup weigh?1. take lbs divided by 2.2 kg = kg2. ?? kg x 2 mg (or whatever the pill is) = dosage amount (per dose or per day - you need to find this out)I also recommend monitoring her fluid intake. Measure out her water in ml's or such. I know this may be hard, but try to collect the urine when she goes and measure the amount... If the poison dissolved and gets into her system, you need to assess her renal function. If she is drinking, but not urinating, then her kidneys are in trouble.

[Sublimewind]

Thanks Grizz,I looked at all of the indication needed to admister the K1... .5-2.5mg/kg/dayShe weighs 17lbs = ~7kgThe pills are 100mcg each1000mcg = 1mgSo i'm planning on giving her 10-15 - 100mcg pills to = 1-1.5mg.. for at least the next 5 days.

[kmonk]

if this happens to anyone in the future: MIX THE HYDOGEN PEROXIDE WITH BAKING SODA and force her to eat it. this happened to my pup a month ago also at my parents house. held her mouth open and spooned in the slurry. she puked instantly a couple times. The baking soda helps to absorb the toxins and makes it fix more and faster. we caught her in the act so the poison never had a chance to enter her system thank goodnesshope your dag's allrite

[jake75]

I learned something new from this - did not know that 3% H2O2 was an animal emetic. The stuff to bleach your hair is 6%. I worked with some 20% stuff in a college lab - had to be under a hood, wear gloves and goggles. I don't know what % is used as rocket fuel.Ipecac Syrup used to be used for children but the medical folks determined that it was causing more harm than good - kids would often aspirate highly acidic regurgitation (fancy word for vomit) and damage their lungs.

[ou.grizzly]

Quote, originally posted by jake75 »Ipecac Syrup used to be used for children but the medical folks determined that it was causing more harm than good - kids would often aspirate highly acidic regurgitation (fancy word for vomit) and damage their lungs.What you describe is "aspiration or chemical pneumonia" and that is why precautions need to be taken with entubation, NG Tubes, Scopes, and etc.

[Sublimewind]

Hi folks,wanted to update and so-far-so-good... Today and the next 2 are the critical times when any sort of hemoraging could happen, so we will be keeping a close eye on her... She still has an upset stomach, but that could be from anything.. She's lively and spunky and playfull... I did forget to check her stool last night, but I was watching from a distance and she didn't show any signs of distress... I can double check that tonight when I get home... I know where it was (under the steps, where there isn't any snow...lol...)With that, Penolope would like to say "Thank You" to everyone that helped us with this (and I as well would like to thank you all)... With her big brother Ruzz-TLooking on to better times...

[Herb]

She looks great. I'm sure she'll be fine based on what you've told us so far anyways.

[Sublimewind]

I sure hope so brotha, my GF would be devistated.. I'm confident though... (those pics are from the fall BTW, not recent, or I woulda been laying in 2' of snow..lol)

[Stang2Vibe]

So how did everything turn out? Hope all is well.I know it can be real scary for a while when a pet ingests poison or other substances they shouldn't eat. We had a 60 lb beagle/black lab mix when I was in high school and she gave us a real bad scare once. My mom bought a 2 lb bag of ground gourmet coffee for a Christmas gift for a relative one year and put it in the spare bedroom with some other things to wrap later. Well the dog got into the shopping bag and for some reason decided to rip open the coffee bag and eat about half of it. About an hour later she was running all around the house like crazy, breathing real heavy, eyes all red, heart racing, and slobbering everywhere. She was like a really strung out crackhead or something. When I got home from hockey practice my mom put her in the car and we went straight to the emergency vet hospital. They admitted her right away and kept her for 2 days. Started treatment of feeding her charcoal to absorb the caffiene from her stomach and had her on an IV to keep her hydrated properly and kept monitoring her heart rate. I went straight to the vet after school the next day to check on her and they let me visit with her for a while in an exam room. She calmed down a little but was still exhibiting strung out crackhead symptoms, running all around the exam room and stopping once in a while to keep licking me. The vet said that it was fortunate that she was young (only about 2 yrs old at the time), in great shape physically, and a bigger dog because if she was older or in poor physical condition she probably would have died. After a few days she was back to normal and happy to be home. We were lucky everything was ok, the vet said that her heart rate and blood pressure were incredibly high from eating all that coffee which put her at risk for a heart attack while she was "under the influence".Have to be so careful with even common things with pets around, they're just like toddlers when it comes to these things but generally the pets can run faster.