19 years since my last pontiac

[ten2vibe]

Hi all,Just got myself a 2006 Vibe (photos coming soon) and am having a blast. Sold my TJ to get it and am not missing the TJ as much as I thought I would.My Vibe is Neptune Blue with a 5 speed, and It went straight to the tire shop for a set of 7 spoke alloy rims the minute I got it. Just could not hack the steelies and frisbee caps that it came with.My last Ponitac was a 1965 Pontiac Acadian Beaumont that I cut my driving teeth on. For those of you not living in Canada or to young to know...the Beaumont was a Pontiac version of the Chevelle that was marketed in Canada and I believe in some parts of South America.Needless to say...the Vibe out performs my old Pontiac in just about every category! WHHEEEE!Look forward to learning lots about my new ride!

[coldmm803]

welcome to the board, can't wait to see pics with those rims

[lovemyraffe]

Welcome and congrats on the new ride!

[ToolGuy]

Welcome and welcome back! Glad you did not hit the 20 year mark, that would have been bad! A guy in a black suit and a baseball bat would have knocked on your door!

[NibCrom]

Welcome!

[Neouka]

I wouldn't exactly call the Vibe a real Pontiac .. but I accepted the savings with buying a car with their badge instead of a Toyota badge

[ToolGuy]

Quote, originally posted by Neouka »I wouldn't exactly call the Vibe a real Pontiac .. but I accepted the savings with buying a car with their badge instead of a Toyota badge :DYeah it is not but at least the money stays in the States or goes to GM!

[coldmm803]

Quote, originally posted by ToolGuy »but at least the money stays in the States or goes to GM! can you prove that? i have an engineering ethics book that suggests otherwise...or at least back in 1990 with the Pontiac Le Mans it was estimated that around 4k of the 10k price stayed in the US

[zionzr2]

And the current Chevy Aveo is made by DaewooQuote, originally posted by coldmm803 »can you prove that? i have an engineering ethics book that suggests otherwise...or at least back in 1990 with the Pontiac Le Mans it was estimated that around 4k of the 10k price stayed in the US

[Mavrik]

got any pics of the old car? lol congrats on the new Pontiac.

[Kamikaze]

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik »got any pics of the old car? lol congrats on the new Pontiac.LOL ditto... (I was going to ask the same thing.. then decided not to..)

[ToolGuy]

Well first off the Lemans was sold under GM but was it sold also under another OE at the same time like the Vibe and Trix? I do not know so correct me but I do not think it was... However in this case since the car is sold by two different OE's but a jointventure, why would Toyota get all the monies from its sales and all or most of GM's? Does not make sense... Prove it with concrete text, no I cannot but will ask my GM friends when I have a chance. And will delete these posts if wrong. I know for fact GM designed the exterior and interior of the Vibe and of course are free to offer discounts and rebates on the Vibe as they wish. If monies went back to Toyota and GM still discounted the car, naturally it would only hurt GM profits. GM also counts the Vibe in its sales figures. Case in point though, the new VW Routan. It is a Chrysler mini-van built on the same assembly line as the Chrysler. VW gets the profits from the van in their product line up and their dealers obviously must sell it and hope it is not a flop. I know this for fact since I am working on this van with VW and Chrysler.

[coldmm803]

Quote, originally posted by ToolGuy »However in this case since the car is sold by two different OE's but a jointventure, why would Toyota get all the monies from its sales and all or most of GM's? Does not make sense... thats not what i was suggesting, i agree, that does not make sense. i meant/question if money is going overseas or across boarders for various services.i don't have my printer connected to my pc at the moment and am in linux and haven't tested the scanner to see if it would work, otherwise i'd scan the page from the book that i'm refering to. anyways, here is the text from it.Quote, originally posted by Intro to Engineering Ethics »An American family purchasing a General Motors Pontiac LeMans in 1990 probably believed their purchase would help American auto workers far more so than would the purchase of a foreign-made car. According to the Labor Secretary Robert Reich's estimates, however, only $4,000 of the $10,000 sticker price would go directly to Americans. Inded, that $4,000 would not go to American assembly-line workers, but instead mostly to Detroit strategists in higher management, New York bankers and attorneys, insurance workers spread throughout the country, and General Motors shareholders who include both Americans and non-American foreign investors. The remaining $6,000 would be distributed as follows: "about $3,000 goes to South Korea for routine labor and assembly operations, $1,750 to Japan for advanced components (engines, transaxles and electronics), $750 to West Germany for styling and design components, $250 to Britain for advertising and marketing services, and about $50 to Irelans and Barbados for data processing."the part in quotes at the end is from Reich's book The Work of Nations p. 113 according to the citation in my book.

[kevera]

I had a 69 Beaumont,and wasn't it the canadian version of the Chevelle,I don't know where you got the Lemans from,even though they are on the same "A" body platform.

[jwalcik]

Congrats and welcome aboard!

[ten2vibe]

Yeah Ive got some pics of the ole Beaumont..but they are all analog(lol) May have to get them scanned at somepoint!

[808 Vibes]

Welcome to GenVibe! Welcome back to the Pontiac family! Pics of Neptune...please! Pics of the '65...pleeeeeeeease! (a Pontiac Enthusiast begging you here!)

[ToolGuy]

Realizing this is a friendly discussion here... The Lemans is not an apples to apples comparison as I mentioned. Totally different animal here. That book is not talking about all joint ventures, just the Lemans. How old is that book anyway? From internet searches, in the Vibes case... "An agreement was struck: GM would provide the concept, each partner would do its own exterior styling, GM would design the interior, and Toyota would supply the platform, drivetrain and many other components." "The Vibe is also built by UAW workers, the Matrix is not." I have also asked one of my GM friends and he agrees with me. We should probably take this discussion elsewhere though...

[coldmm803]

i mis-read/ interpreted your reply to Neouka and shifted topics making my discussion about "American made" cars in general and questioning whether or not the money does stay in the USthe only date listed in the front of the book is the copyright in 2000lets end this here and keep the rest of the thread on topic______________________________ten2vibe, we'll be waiting for those pics...in case you haven't noticed

[ToolGuy]

You can always delete your posts above too...At any rate, ten2Vibe as you can tell I am a huge car person so like the others have said have any pics?

[ten2vibe]

Could not find any pics of my 65 (hope my folks still have some!) but did have one of our 1963 which we still have. The 63 is the Pontiac version of the Chevy II. It has a 194 cu straight 6 with a slushbox auto. Gets just under 30 mpg on the highway. Any here we sit some some 45 years later and can only manage 40 mpg with a Vibe...We put a man on the moon since 63...you would think we could do better.We also still own a 1964 Beaumont with a straight 6 and three on a tree manual trans...it gets 27 mpg...been in the family since 1969I will endeavor to get some pics of all the past a present Beaumonts in my family.Here is the Vibe And here is the 63

[Mavrik]

You still have that one? sweet.

[808 Vibes]

Very cool!!!

[Ol' Timer]

Quote, originally posted by ten2vibe »Could not find any pics of my 65 (hope my folks still have some!) but did have one of our 1963 which we still have. The 63 is the Pontiac version of the Chevy II. It has a 194 cu straight 6 with a slushbox auto. Gets just under 30 mpg on the highway. here is the 63 I had a 67 Chevy Nova with the 250 Six and 2-Speed Slushbox. It WAS a great car, in it's day, but it had terrible (drum) brakes.Welcome!

[ragingfish]

Am i the only person here wondering what a "TJ" is?

[Ol' Timer]

The Jeep Wrangler had model designation YJ, TJ, and JK

[ragingfish]

Quote, originally posted by Ol’ Timer »The Jeep Wrangler had model designation YJ, TJ, and JKThanks!