Hydro-Vibe

[prathman]

Solar radiation on earth is about one kW or a little over one HP per square meter. But solar cells are only about 10 - 20% efficient, so you'd need a collecting area of 5 - 10 square meters to generate one HP of additional power - and that's at noon on a bright sunny day. Don't forget to account for the extra wind resistance of having that size array on your roof.

[BLAQJAQ]

I think this is a very cool conversation a bit over my head..what can I say..but interesting nonethe less...hey any investigation nto saving the environment is cool to me...continued success..

[4azdmunky]

Quote, originally posted by vibolista »This is very cool. Could we use a solar cell to produce the energy required to separate hydrogen from water? I read somewhere that this was done many years ago. What power levels are required? Would be interesting to see the mileage improvement results from a Vibe without a Supercharger. There is a movie on youtube about some guy that got solar to work for making hydro. Not sure how much was being produced. I was thinking of making something like that for my house. good idea thoughThere is also a guy that was able to use peizo's for break the bonds. Might be more efficient? Look for burning salt water on you tube.

[4azdmunky]

Quote, originally posted by ProtonXX »PWN is built. Very easy & also its my first time soldering anything.How did you tap the power off the battery? Im considering using the headlight fuse to splice into it(since its the only fuse thats activated by ignition).Oh man i just saw your picture, i like the idea of going to each run. how is it working for you?

[4azdmunky]

Quote, originally posted by ProtonXX »Got the parts in today. but I noticed theres an option to drill a breather on the top of the lid. Have you done this or did you only hook up the gas out line to the PCV / airbox. Ill probably be up and experimenting tomorrow.No i did not do the breather hole. I figured that the vacuum would be enough, and from what i understand the breather hole is for a tap to the exhaust where the exhaust "knocks" the hydrogen off the plates. I guess it allows for up to 3X the amount of hydro to be split. i wasnt all that keen on drilling a hole in my exhaust.

[4azdmunky]

Quote, originally posted by ProtonXX »O ok. Nonstop suction would be perfect because I have it drilled into my intake. My intake tap-in HATED breathers One thing i had to do was replace the clear tube with something stronger. the vacuum from the SC was causing the clear tube to collapse and pinched off the flow from the cell.

[ProtonXX]

Im not running the cell until i get the PWM circuit board in.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...dex=2Says distilled Water & KOH are the best solution to keep the cell clean. Trying to avoid doing like I did to my Joe & flood it with rust goop in 2 days.But I ran the sell with salt as the electrolyte..bad move.

[ProtonXX]

What stronger tubes did you use? My clear plastic tubes are getting kinda flat now.-Edit Used some fuel line hoses I had sitting aroundFinally got my setup running but Im still missing the Pulse Modulator. Also, I melted 2 wires & blown 4 fuses...with just a table spoon of Potassium Hydroxide mixed in the water. Its some powerful stuff & I under estimated it, Ill drop in about quarter a table spoon next time.Looking good so far because the water is breaking cleanly. I used baking soda & filtered water for about 10 minutes & had rust flakes sitting on the bottom of the container. After steam cleaning everything I Used KOH & Distilled water all day & the jar is still crystal clear.Just like the old aquatune I had..the engine hates the 4 way intake tap. Got 3 miss fires so I guess Ill be closing them off for good.

[ProtonXX]

Got a P0505 code that changed my day. Broken Idle Control Valve. I realized I was taping off the Evap vacuum line that was going to the throttle body & NOT the PCV vacuum.I moved the hydroxy into the intake manifold instead.First impression? Woooooow. I got a mean pull going on now.It will be a few days before I get mpg results tho.

[4azdmunky]

Wow, glad you got it figured out. I too tried baking soda first but it deteriorated my plates too quickly. A table spoon might be too much, i use a teaspoon, but if its working, keep with it. Check your water after a 30 min drive and see if its boiling or if its still creating hydrogen. I'm running at high altitude so i might not need as much electrolite. A tablespoon caused it to boil for me.As for the tubing, i just went to Autozone and picked up some vacuum line, the stuff thats reinforced with cord, and that seems to be strong enough for the vacuum pressure.

[ProtonXX]

I Drove around the city & had time to tune things on the fly with the camcom& scangauge. After about 60 miles of driving things settled in.Tank Mileage30mpg Avg According to the pump35mpg @ about 75-80mph Trip mileage according to scangauge after tuning.Ill run about another 70-120 miles before I fill up again. To get the scan gauge calibrated to the right gas usage.Things I Noticed.Ignition timing is now 33-37 ..up from 29-31 @ 75-80mph. The more I lean the fuel the better timing I got.I turned the car on..the AC was on & the car idled so hard that it switched to 2nd gear.Vibe Idles at 1200 rpm instead of 650 now.By the way when I had my Hydrogen Joe Cell & used baking soda..I was looking at brown mud after a tank of gas . But its a 4 plate design with 12v on 2 plates, this cell has alot of neutral plates to soak volts. So far is nicer than the joe cell, runs cleaner & is much more sturdy.

[4azdmunky]

Wow, glad you got it figured out. I too tried baking soda first but it deteriorated my plates too quickly. A table spoon might be too much, i use a teaspoon, but if its working, keep with it. Check your water after a 30 min drive and see if its boiling or if its still creating hydrogen. I'm running at high altitude so i might not need as much electrolite. A tablespoon caused it to boil for me.As for the tubing, i just went to Autozone and picked up some vacuum line, the stuff thats reinforced with cord, and that seems to be strong enough for the vacuum pressure.

[ProtonXX]

Just realized what I was using was Sodium Hydroxide(NaOH) not Potassium hydroxide(KOH) lol. The cell is still crystal clear tho after an hour of driving.Ill take another pic after a week to compare the cell cleanness. The cell is supposed to take a week to be broken in. I dropped down from a 30amp fuse to a 25A to get an Idea on how much power im pulling.

[Leemor]

Does an alternator produce more electricity than is needed to keep the battery charged? If so, aren't you harnessing that unused energy for the electrolysis? The law of thermodynamics is not being broken if you are using energy that would otherwise go unused or be wasted as heat.How does an alternator work? If the battery is fully charged, does the alternator disengage? I've been looking at the hydrogen cell for several months and have been curious about this.

[ProtonXX]

At the worst point I was losing .5 volts by hooking the sell up & it dropped down 11.5 at idle. When driving it kicks back up to 13.5. However this is something like turning the fans & ac on.I have low crappy voltage because my ground wires aren't on as good as they should be & I have a underdriven crank AND alternator pulley.My cell went from clear white to gold in a day..ironically it happened after i refilled it. I also need to seal up the holes by the screw holes coming out the top, hopefully the air seal will stop it from getting contaminated again.Got the PWM & Xgauge programmed & ready to go but I have to learn how the fuel trim gauges work. But anyway, I left the cell off & went for a run.Max HP i got was 118(lol) at about 68mph WOT & about 6k RPMTrim running at 1 idle. 5-6 @ 55mph. Low end power gone(kicks in at higher RPM & car isnt smooth at idle no more.

[ramenboy...]

what do you guys think of this?http://www.runyourcarwithwater...ls5zAjust came across this checking my gmail, but haven't really gotten the chance to do any research into it ... is it similar to what you're attempting here?

[ProtonXX]

Same thing but seems like it costs more.Im hoping one day someone will make some higher quality plates. Everything still new so we are using low quality steel. Joe cells have high grade steel but maybe someday someone will find a cheap way to coat the metal so it dont corrode as fast. Maybe gold plating or titanium plating or something.I still like hydrogen garage DYI cell because if anything go wrong they will sell you replacement parts but I may consider picking up a few more plates to convert it to a 11 or 13 plater.So far new week & my sell clear still. It seems like I have better luck letting the cell sit and soak for a day or 2 to let everything settle.

[prathman]

Quote, originally posted by Leemor »Does an alternator produce more electricity than is needed to keep the battery charged? If so, aren't you harnessing that unused energy for the electrolysis? The law of thermodynamics is not being broken if you are using energy that would otherwise go unused or be wasted as heat.How does an alternator work? If the battery is fully charged, does the alternator disengage? There's no mechanism to physically disengage the alternator. But most of the resistance to turning the alternator pulley is the result of having to overcome the magnetic forces created by the current flowing through the windings. So when the battery is fully charged and all electrical devices in the car are turned off then the alternator will only be putting out a small current to keep the battery trickle-charged and it'll only have a small resistance to being turned by the engine. Adding an electrical load to the alternator will increase its resistance to being turned.Sometimes at fairs and similar events there's a booth with a 'show your strength' demo in which you turn a crank on an alternator/generator and light some bulbs or have a meter that shows your strength. As a gag, these will sometimes have someone watching discretely from some distance who can throw a switch that puts an additional electrical load in the circuit. Typically the load will be switched off when some girl turns the crank easily. Then when her football player boyfriend walks up the load is switched in and he can just barely move the crank.

[ProtonXX]

Looks like I got another 30mpg but this time with crazy city driving. Its fun abusing the take off ability giving by the high idle.So far I say Im happy & heres my review:High idle & good power boost because of the inflated rpmsSmoother Idle cuz of extra RPMSMaybe 1-5 mpg boost. I went from 22-27mpg to two 30 tanks now.BadHigh maintenance..Checking water checking fuses, checking plates, alot of tuning if you have the resources for extra benifits...At least if something breaks u not stranded tho

[ProtonXX]

I found this to be interesting.http://www.qsinano.com/pdf/QSI...8.pdfCoated Iron Electrodes that produce more gas. Not sure if its prevents corrosion & its a bit pricey tho.

[tribalman]

i've been watching this HYDROgen method for a few years now. it almost came out, but the chemicals got banned, they might have a work around now. http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/. solar powered refill station and it works with most fuel injected cars. http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/