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injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:21 am

the new vibe sux. slower, drinks more fuel, no available m/t, and in my opinion my 03 gt looks eons better. the first three you cant argue with cause they are, well, facts and the last is just my view. but i wanna know what everybody else thinks? i wish i had two more hands so i could give the new vibe four thumbs down!!!

bull77 · Post by **bull77** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:27 am

the auto, either 4 or 5 speed, is optionalhttp://media.gm.com/us/pontiac...mance

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:33 am

that was written several months ago, sure they didn't scuttle the manual idea? pontiac's site says its only available with the driver selected auto. which is still utter crap. if not and a manual is available that definitely saves it some face.

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:35 am

still sux imo. will not be able to compete with the mazdaspeed3, caliber srt, or civic si to name a few

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:39 am

yeah i know i am gonna catch some flack for this.

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:47 am

yeah but what you forgot v is to add a speed after mazda. lets see...... 158< 263 which is what the mazda pumps out for about 3000$ more. which equals about $60 extra a month for a little over 100 horsepower more

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:49 am

and yes buddy its slower than the old vibe gt's. i race my friends t/c with a 5 speed stick and smoke him everytime. and he is a very talented driver. has one his in class at scca quite a few times

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:52 am

Quote, originally posted by injun_josh Â»yeah but what you forgot v is to add a speed after mazda. lets see...... 158you cant compare a mazdaspeed vs a vibe, the speed is turbo! Im actually test driving one this weekend hahah. who ever buys the vibe for "speed" is crazy there will be a supercharger coming for the 2.4l engine or it will be retrofitted.

Kamikaze · Post by **Kamikaze** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:53 am

I can see your points...I like the front end, don't like the back it needs some big wheels to make the body work from the side, and I don't like the engine mods they went with either... I do like the steering wheel controls, but all in all I think they could have done way better for a "new and improved" model. Where's the hard drive for the touch screen stereo you can't get? how about some more functions with the instrument cluster? MPG, oil life, miles to tank empty etc...I could go on and on....

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:53 am

and hey i dont hate the new vibe just saying im disappointed with what it comes with. i am aobut to purchase another car in about 6 months. and had the new vibe came with say the v6 in the camry, or a super, or turbo charged 4 with a stick, i would be asking where do i sign. but as it stands it will prolly be a new mustang gt, or mazdaspeed3, or the caliber.

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:55 am

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Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:56 am

Your only saying what I've been saying... and thinking.The new Vibe GT is simply a fully loaded base version of the Vibe. Its not 180 HP 6spd tranny with LIFT. Cars always change with time and not always for the better. This is certainly the case. I don't care about fuel mileage though... if I did I wouldn't have gotten and 300HP STi lol.I'm not even a fan of the new interior. The rectangle shaped box like display... what?Sorry guys but he's right. If I got another Vibe, I'd definatly buy used.03-04 years are the best

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:01 am

thanks mavrik, i was actually thinking of driving to the nearest subaru dealer to test out a new wrx.... (removed) those things are fine. but the nearest dealer to me is like 3 hrs away.

Vivid_Art · Post by **Vivid_Art** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:06 am

I agree with you Injun and Mavrik, I dont know why V is being such a jerk about it ( Injun is entitled to his own opinion, there was no need for the stupid pics) Anyways I forgot where I read it, i'll look, but from what i heard they are working on a version of the car that can compete with the Mazdaspeed and Srt4. I think im the only one that saw that b/c no one except me has kept saying this. So im going to wait too see if they actually go through with it.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:16 am

it would be sweet if they made a car to compete with the cobalt ss t/c, ms3 and caliber srt4, but the vibe would need to have like the leather interior etc, and a SC on that 2.4l. from what i know about the tC's SC it isnt that much faster, so it would be a pretty big disappointment for them to just SC the 2.4l vibe :/ I test drove the cobalt ss sc monday, wow nice power all the way through, hit 80 then realized i was speeding when my coworker was like (removed) your speeding! Ill test drive the MS3 this weekend...i hear its amazing, cant wait. I still cant believe the vibe's price! 19k for a normal model...thats nuts i thought they released these cars to be the cheap eco box's :/

millster · Post by **millster** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:18 am

I'll tell ya this much... if the back and forth keeps going, this thread won't last long!Knock it off.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:48 am

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik Â»03-04 years are the best I have to agree with you.

zdaliah · Post by **zdaliah** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:36 am

Quote, originally posted by injun_josh Â»the new vibe sux. slower, drinks more fuel, no available m/t, and in my opinion my 03 gt looks eons better. the first three you cant argue with cause they are, well, facts and the last is just my view. but i wanna know what everybody else thinks? i wish i had two more hands so i could give the new vibe four thumbs down!!! injun_josh,Pontiac is targeting a new audience now.. they are not just going for the young 18-25 market anymore, or people that just care about speed, and tricking out their ride.They are also targeting small families now who can't afford a Murano, or larger SUV, but want a lot of features, and saftey built into their car.What you get for under 20k is an absolute steal if you ask me.If you are going for practicality (which many people are) .. the car is an absolute winner in my book.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:56 am

Quote, originally posted by zdaliah Â»injun_josh,Pontiac is targeting a new audience now.. they are not just going for the young 18-25 market anymore, or people that just care about speed, and tricking out their ride.I'm not sure they were ever targeting the crowd of people wanting speed and performance... quite the opposite. They found more base models sold then the GT model and went that direction.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:53 am

Saw a Caliber SRT-4 today t the dealer when I went to get a part for my wifes truck. Looks great, but $26k seems a little high. It did have all the trinkets and gadgets, but still...

zdaliah · Post by **zdaliah** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:56 am

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik Â»I'm not sure they were ever targeting the crowd of people wanting speed and performance... quite the opposite. They found more base models sold then the GT model and went that direction.when i say "Speed" its purely relative.. we all know even a GT isn't fast by comparison to a mustang for examplewhat i probably should of said is that they aren't targeting just college kids/early 20's audience anymore.. but rather small families / mid 30's crowd now.I originally wanted an 08 but could not find any with ABS, or stabilitrack.. yet every model i saw had a moonroof, sun & sound packageits pretty clear what audience they were going afterthe bottom line is you get more for your money with an 09 Vibe than 08.now whether you like the body style changes or not, is another thing, and everyone is gonna have a different opinion.I personally think the interior of the 08 Vibe looks ancient compared to the 09

GMJAP · Post by **GMJAP** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:36 am

I am VERY happy with my 05. I would not want an 03 or 04 as they don't have the features that I felt were important.Also, beyond not being sluggish, performance had little to do with my decision to buy a Vibe. Likewise for my other extended family member who owns one.I also agree with V & zaliah - it was and continues to be a tremendous bang for the buck in terms of practicality, safety, mileage, utility, and reliability.I'm not crazy about the new body styling, and agree that the oval gauge sticks out like a sore thumb. Neither of them are fatal flaws in my book, however.It would be unfortunate if they dropped the manual transmission, but I don't think that's the case. The Edmund's site shows all models available with manual except the AWD:http://www.edmunds.com/pontiac...96163Nobody's going to make a lot of money off a performance wagon - it's a niche market. Hence why neither Toyota nor GM felt the need to spend the $ to redesign the XRS/GT for 2007 air quality standards, instead opting to drop them from their lineups. They are more of a marketing bragging right and press attention getters than profit-makers.

ajflan · Post by **ajflan** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:40 am

I think that the new GT's look good, and I do like the look of the interor. The main proplem that I have with the car is that it looks too heavy compared to the older models. There is way too much sheetmetal above the front wheels for me. It kind of makes it look under-wheeled.

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:02 am

no v i am making perfect sense. there are like 5 other cars who offer so much more for a little less or a little more coin. and if you think 21 city and 29 highway is good gas milage for a 160 ish 4 cyl......... well i have some beach front property in wyoming to sell you. look being a mechanic ill tell you that stabilitrac, tcs, and systems like that are good for one thing, something else to break and fix. if people would learn how to drive their cars systems like that would not exist. but i understand not everyone here is a car enthusiast. oh and i did not mean the new base is slower than the old gt. no. the new gt is slower than the old one. as mavrik said, this is a car that they first gen was better than the sec. ill break it down very simply. my old 03 gt is faster, gets better milage, and has a better tranny than the new gts rolling off the line. tell me how the new one is better....... oh does anybody know the weight of the new gts? i bet its a good deal more, which ultimately means the base probably outhandles the new one.... that is just speculation though...

GMJAP · Post by **GMJAP** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:08 pm

You can't compare published mileage for the 03 GT versus the 09 GT.They have changed the mileage testing procedure in the last couple years, and the new tests give lower numbers.

injun_josh · Post by **injun_josh** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:05 pm

well my friends t/c gets an average of around 26 in town and 30 on highway. the vibe is heavier and the t/c is a stick so.......... just gonna take a long shot and say the vibe will be slightly worse than that, and my vibe stock gave me consistent 26-28 in town and a rock solid 34 highway.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:34 pm

Quote, originally posted by injun_josh Â»the new vibe sux. slower, drinks more fuel, no available m/t, and in my opinion my 03 gt looks eons better. the first three you cant argue with cause they are, well, facts and the last is just my view. but i wanna know what everybody else thinks? i wish i had two more hands so i could give the new vibe four thumbs down!!! i completely agree. greatly disappointed thus far. however, I will hold final judgement until I can test drive and see one in person.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:42 pm

Quote, originally posted by injun_josh Â»and hey i dont hate the new vibe just saying im disappointed with what it comes with. i am aobut to purchase another car in about 6 months. and had the new vibe came with say the v6 in the camry, or a super, or turbo charged 4 with a stick, i would be asking where do i sign. but as it stands it will prolly be a new mustang gt, or mazdaspeed3, or the caliber.go Speed3. mustang GT is still slow and sucks and the caliber.. ewwww. Speed3 you get decent fuel economy, a turbo and well.... it handles extremely well. We took one out for a 36 mile test drive last summer in WA up and down a windy little hill. If I didn't need AWD here, I'd have bought one already. for the money, it's one of the best bang for your buck (unless you want to go 300+ hp, in which case that's the 08 STI hatch or 08 Evo X).

MRCN RCE · Post by **MRCN RCE** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:20 pm

Quote, originally posted by zdaliah Â»when i say "Speed" its purely relative.. we all know even a GT isn't fast by comparison to a mustang for examplemustang GT no. but a crappy v6 mustang, my GT destroys them and eats their children i like most of the new exterior styling, and some of the new interior. VERY unhappy with the GT only having power in the 150's. the lower comp. ratio on the 2.4 allows for more F/I mods, but i expected the GT to be AT LEAST in the 175+ range. i'm gonna test drive a new GT as soon as i see one at the dealer i got mine from, but i'm sure mine will be the victor in every performance aspect. i'd seriously miss the 8300 redline and lift if i had a new GT. who knows, maybe someone in the aftermarket will decide to make more than a few products for the new modelsabout the only thing i wish mine had that the 09 has is the 3 prong plug. but that problem was solved with a 79 cent adapter at home depot my fav part about the new models is that pontiac FINALLY decided to make the GT look different than the other models. hmm whoever decided to do that needed to have been workin when the first gen vibes were being dropped.like hope said, i'll hold final judgement til i've been behind the wheel. i'm not expecting much, so maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised

cs1992 · Post by **cs1992** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:24 pm

I'll reserve my opinions about the new Vibe and its gas mileage until some "real world" results are posted. The new Vibe is heavier, but not by that much. Not everyone is looking for a higher performance (GT) model; some of us consider mpg's more important.

MRCN RCE · Post by **MRCN RCE** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:39 pm

Quote, originally posted by cs1992 Â»The new Vibe is heavier, but not by that much. Not everyone is looking for a higher performance (GT) model; some of us consider mpg's more important. understood, but IMO that's why there are base models. if a pontiac is gonna go through the trouble of creating and manufacturing a GT model, at least give it more than just a "noticeable" power difference. give it some balls, ya know??let's hope the people in the vibe design department will start using their brains and give us a GXPl

michaelgt · Post by **michaelgt** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:52 pm

Quote, originally posted by injun_josh Â»no v i am making perfect sense. there are like 5 other cars who offer so much more for a little less or a little more coin. and if you think 21 city and 29 highway is good gas milage for a 160 ish 4 cyl......... well i have some beach front property in wyoming to sell you. look being a mechanic ill tell you that stabilitrac, tcs, and systems like that are good for one thing, something else to break and fix. ... I disagree regarding stabilitrack. I had this on my most recent vehicle, and it worked excellent. I compared it to similiar vehicles, and even with driving skills I believe that Stabilitrack is well worth the cost. I am not sure whether you have had the chance to drive on ice and compare, but here in Michigan we have had several days that the roads were ice, not snow, covered. As for a speed wagon, my choice would be the HHR SS. This has the 260hp turbo, stick, and is under $25k.

dtana117 · Post by **dtana117** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:56 pm

Quote, originally posted by MRCN RCE Â»... the lower comp. ratio on the 2.4 allows for more F/I mods...Exactly. My GM rep says GM is working on something to finish off the Vibe lineup, but they are skeptical about if anyone will buy it. You might have to wait until Autoshow season 2009 to find out if they do it.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:56 am

Quote, originally posted by Mavrik Â»Sorry guys but he's right. If I got another Vibe, I'd definatly buy used.03-04 years are the best +1 and looks-wise, like i've stated before, if i were to pick between the new gen vibe and matrix, i'd be leaning towards the matrix.

BLAQJAQ · Post by **BLAQJAQ** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:14 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»I have to agree with you. what he said

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