Ouch, I heard that punch from here...

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:18 am

I don't know how many GenVibers are following the HiDef format war between Toshiba (HDDVD) and Sony (BluRay), but Toshiba finally got a major deal: Paramount Drops Bluray Support.Throughout most of 2007, the tide has been in BluRay's favor. Although PS3's console sales are not too good for gaming, they are great for getting BluRay players in homes. As a result, BluRay movie sales have outpaced HDDVD movie sales 2:1 for 2007 even though standalone HDDVD players are far outselling stand alone BluRay players. Then Blockbuster announced they would only rent BluRay movies in their stores (both formats will remain for their online renting). Then Target announced they would only sell BluRay players in their stores (not counting the HD DVD add-on to the XBOX). Not to mention that before today, HD DVD only had Universal supporting them exclusively (BluRay has Sony Pictures, Disney, FOX and MGM exclusive). When I heard today's announcement, I thought finally Toshiba does something in response with some meat. Which is why I say: Ouch, I heard that punch from here...Transformers (HD DVD exclusive) vs. Spiderman 3 (BluRay exclusive) this holiday season.Announcement: http://www.highdefdigest.com/n...D/874

Atomb · Post by **Atomb** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:21 am

i say 'meh' to both and just plan on getting one of these:http://www.engadget.com/2005/0...layer/when the price comes down....

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:26 am

Quote, originally posted by Atomb Â»i say 'meh' to both and just plan on getting one of these:http://www.engadget.com/2005/0...layer/when the price comes down....That's my plan too. That's why I don't want BluRay to "win" before dual format players can get below $300. I prefer the formats coexist - if players can play both seamlessly, it becomes irrelevant to consumers and there is still competition available to hopefully keep cost down.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:29 am

bluray ftw! just looking at who backs what, bluray will probably be the dominate and HD will just be like dvd+r...sitting there in the corner but still alive.

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:37 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»...just looking at who backs what, bluray will probably be the dominate...I totally agreed with that statement before today's announcement. HDDVD now has some major exclusivity that can't be overlooked: Transformers, Shrek 3, Matrix Trilogy, Heros season 1 will be HDDVD exclusive. They also have the porn industry, which many think is what made VHS beat Beta - although that is not so crucial this time because of the internet.I don't think HDDVD can win at this point, but who knows: can you imagine the tide shift if the HDDVD camp can get one more major blow in (such as getting Disney to release in both formats)?

Celtic_Curse · Post by **Celtic_Curse** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:30 am

Transformers is not coming on Bluray?????(removed)!!! Money talks, why the heck are they doing this exclusive bs? release in dual format like they did before when VHS and DVD would be released at the same time and let the consumer decide who wins. I was looking forward to seeing Transformers on Bluray nowI'm pissed....good thing I have a highend DVD player.

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:18 pm

Quote, originally posted by Celtic_Curse Â»Transformers is not coming on Bluray?????(removed)!!! Money talks, why the heck are they doing this exclusive bs? release in dual format like they did before when VHS and DVD would be released at the same time and let the consumer decide who wins. I was looking forward to seeing Transformers on Bluray nowI'm pissed....good thing I have a highend DVD player.Personally, I think HDDVD would have long since won if it wasn't for the exclusives BluRay has. HDDVD costs so much less for comparable specs. All things being equal, wouldn't the masses choose the lower cost route? What does the extra space of BluRay really give the consumer anyway? As long as the disk can hold 2 hours of 1080p I'd be happier paying 40% less (compression does wonders).The fact that the PS3 allows gamers to watch HD movies combined with the BluRay exclusives is why they are winning in the movie sales (imho). Aren't you watching BluRay on a PS3 as opposed to a stand alone player?

tribalman · Post by **tribalman** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:49 pm

OFF TOPIC i dont' want hd-dvd or blu-ray. they are obsolete, i want the hhd-dvvbb-bvd. vid here http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/ar...d=242ON TOPIC. i'm still very happy with dvd. i hope they don't kill off dvd's just because of these damn new over copy right protected things. btw, i don't condone pirating movies because i still wish on going into them. i've had numerous offers for a copy of this movie or that one and i never buy OR borrow it, if the movie is good i support it. i let my money try and give hollywood an idea of what a good movie is. i personally belive a person shouldn't have to spend $2k to be able to watch a movie with "special" features. oh, i can still have the movie playing while i'm browsing the movie? (removed)? if i have the desire to see another scene it probably means the current one sucks and i don't wanna see it, or i want to see a certain one, and in the second case i'll just choose "scene selections" from the main menu without the movie playing. and PIP with the movie playing and behind the scenes features? no. just no. i have a memory, when they are talking about that 50 foot jump over the bridge onto a moving barge while on fire, i think i can remember how it was in the movie.... "fire, boat, bridge, got it". the only reason i can think of having this feature if you are sooo soo soo busy in your life you can't spend the time to watch the movie an maybe another day the extra stuff on the disk. usually i watch movies with some depth to them so a distraction like extra features as i'm watching it takes away a lot of the movie. end up missing some subtle nuance that adds so much more to it. would you like to go into a movie theater and have some person with a big hat sitting infront of you while a person next to you is talking about the movie and etc.? i don't.

98ex · Post by **98ex** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:33 am

Neither format is going to win. Microsoft backing HDDVD and Sony Bluray. I see a format in the near future that encompasses both formats.The best thing HD-dvd has going for them right now is that there is a stand alone player now for under $200. HD DVD is the first to reach this bench mark. Closest stand alone for Bluray is I believe in the mid $400 dollar range.

MRCN RCE · Post by **MRCN RCE** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:51 am

Quote, originally posted by silver_vibe Â»When I heard today's announcement, I thought finally Toshiba does something in response with some meat. Which is why I say: Ouch, I heard that punch from here...Transformers (HD DVD exclusive) vs. Spiderman 3 (BluRay exclusive) this holiday season.[/url]according to the preview on the blades of glory dvd, transformers will be available on bluray AND hd dvd

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:32 am

Quote Â»i'm still very happy with dvd.Yup. What the hell extra will these fancy schmancy technologies give me, who doesn't have some 200" plasma widescreen thing mounted to the wall or even a home theater system? DVD is more than adequate for those such as myself. We don't even have a TV that has RCA inputs, we have to plug the DVD player into the VCR which connects to the TV via coax. Yeah, going out and buying some several hundred dollar DVD player is really going to make a dramatic difference in our viewing, that's going to be money well spent! If it ain't broke, don't fix it, that's what I say. But I heard last Christmas, the good ol' DVD was considered dead by the industry. Bummer.

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:22 pm

Quote, originally posted by MRCN RCE Â»according to the preview on the blades of glory dvd, transformers will be available on bluray AND hd dvd Blades of Glory was previously announced for both also http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/658 Paramount used to support both formats.

MRCN RCE · Post by **MRCN RCE** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:16 pm

so it's not gonna be available on both?? they lied to me!!! i'm startin a class-action lawsuit for false advertising, and crushing my dream of bluray and hd dvd unity and friendship

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:46 am

This is funny...there's now a 3rd format entering the HD movie war: HD-VMD http://news.filefront.com/go-a...rmats/

tribalman · Post by **tribalman** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:31 pm

actually, there is going to be a fourth HD, but it's going to be in china only and going to be the only one offered in china, called CH-DVD. Link here http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2...ina/1

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:34 am

Quote, originally posted by tribalman Â»actually, there is going to be a fourth HD, but it's going to be in china only and going to be the only one offered in china, called CH-DVD. Link here http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2...ina/1 I heard about that one too, but it's basically a renamed HD DVD. CH DVD will play HD DVD and vice versa.

chevelle_lover · Post by **chevelle_lover** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:40 am

Didn't sony also have all of the rights to the lazer disc and look where that is now.

tribalman · Post by **tribalman** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:50 am

haha, what doesn't sony own?

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:09 am

UPDATE: Wal-Mart is selling a Toshiba HD-DVD for $98 tomorrow (one day only) and K-Mart has dropped all BluRay players.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:52 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»bluray ftw! just looking at who backs what, bluray will probably be the dominate and HD will just be like dvd+r...sitting there in the corner but still alive.HDDVD will win for Video and Blu-Ray will win for storage. It all depends on who can deliver a superior price per performance ratio. The superior will not always win.

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:10 am

Im just happy to have my Samsung DVD player, no HD. Works for me. Once one of these things comes on top and the price drops, maybe I'll upgrade. But for now, I am waiting for my phone to come available, LG Venus baby!!!!

VIBEwithanO · Post by **VIBEwithanO** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:24 am

I suppose I chose my part of this war as soon as I claimed loyalty to my Xbox 360. I did just get the HD DVD add on this Monday, and I'm overly impressed. I personally would love to see the exclusivity be dropped (my fiance loves Disney movies, and I can't get them on HD), but I'm glad more titles are coming this way for my player. I'll be interested as this war continues.

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:26 am

Quote, originally posted by Petrucci914 Â»The superior will not always win. Yes, we must not look further than....Of course if anybody here remembers Beta. Quite frankly, I had always found it superior to VHS. But VHS crushed it in the end.

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tribalman · Post by **tribalman** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:00 pm

Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic Â»Yes, we must not look further than....Of course if anybody here remembers Beta. Quite frankly, I had always found it superior to VHS. But VHS crushed it in the end.i still own a player and the recorder. i don't get why it is considered better. the tapes are smaller, therefor less time to record. i didn't notice a better image quality, at least from memory. not real concerned at the time about the quailty of my shows, i was more interested in going outside and riding bikes and playing tag.

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:42 am

BluRay just struck back with a major blow: Warner is going BluRay exclusiveThe timing of this announcement is no coincidence - I'm sure it's meant to squelch any holiday sales numbers HD-DVD has for the 2007 Christmas season. I personally was hoping for some strong sales figures from HD-DVD.I really had hoped both formats would survive long enough for dual format players to drop to $300. I want competition. This announcement seems like a death blow to HD-DVD to me. Toshiba needs to do something drastic now to hope for a coexistence, but I cannot imagine anything that would make much of an impact now.

tribalman · Post by **tribalman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:36 am

Quote, originally posted by silver_vibe Â»BluRay just struck back with a major blow: Warner is going BluRay exclusiveThe timing of this announcement is no coincidence - I'm sure it's meant to squelch any holiday sales numbers HD-DVD has for the 2007 Christmas season. I personally was hoping for some strong sales figures from HD-DVD.I really had hoped both formats would survive long enough for dual format players to drop to $300. I want competition. This announcement seems like a death blow to HD-DVD to me. Toshiba needs to do something drastic now to hope for a coexistence, but I cannot imagine anything that would make much of an impact now. i just heard about this also. i still think having 2 formats was the dumbest idea ever. there were so many times i got annoyed seeing a movie i want to see is in one format, and another movie i want is in the other. even though i don't own either i find it stupid to do that. isn't the point of making the dvds to get more money? by not making the movie in both formats they are reducing their profits in 1/2. that way the "better" format would win.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:39 pm

Quote, originally posted by silver_vibe Â»BluRay just struck back with a major blow: Warner is going BluRay exclusiveThe timing of this announcement is no coincidence - I'm sure it's meant to squelch any holiday sales numbers HD-DVD has for the 2007 Christmas season. I personally was hoping for some strong sales figures from HD-DVD.I really had hoped both formats would survive long enough for dual format players to drop to $300. I want competition. This announcement seems like a death blow to HD-DVD to me. Toshiba needs to do something drastic now to hope for a coexistence, but I cannot imagine anything that would make much of an impact now. Now that Universal has followed warner brothers, Toshiba is doing something, having a fire sale on HD-DVDs. I don't own either, partly because I've been waiting to see which to buy. Now that PS3 is looking a lot more tempting

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:45 pm

funny, but needs a language warninghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=friS4OOcdgQ

silver_vibe · Post by **silver_vibe** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:17 am

Battle may be over sooner than later...Toshiba may be dropping HDDVD: http://www.hollywoodreporter.c...aa58d

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