TURBO UPGRADE

DA1ANDONLY · Post by **DA1ANDONLY** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:18 am

well guys i just bought a turbo for my vibe...just waitin for my new pistons to arrive..but the other thing is i dont know if i want the turbo now cause i was thinking about going wit a supercharger..ima give it sometime ..anyone up for buying the turbo its a t4 with 3" piping turbo manifold included

WaveAction · Post by **WaveAction** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:24 am

i actually wanna go turbo too for my vibe, but not just yet, i'd like to pay it off first(4 yrs more) then i'll go turbo, how much did you pay for the kit?

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:29 am

id stay turbo, the sc will make little hp, the turbo has much more potential. you already got it...keep it.

DA1ANDONLY · Post by **DA1ANDONLY** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:44 am

i only paid 950 for the whole kit... its from turbonetics...my brother is manager down here at there warehouse so i got it cheap..i will sell it for 800 maybe 750

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:05 am

keep the turbo, it has way more potential than the SC

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:59 am

The turbo does have more potential,but the supercharger is a heck of a lot of fun.Funny how all the replies are from guys with no boost.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:29 am

i have boost. keep the turbo. you can get a lot more for the money, especially at the price you paid.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:33 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»The turbo does have more potential,but the supercharger is a heck of a lot of fun.Funny how all the replies are from guys with no boost. I rode in Adams sc vibe...its faster but with the price he paid for a turbo, there is no way in heck id go SC with prices around 1500 and up for those. the turbo vibe would be much faster and have more ability to tune for more power.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:43 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»Funny how all the replies are from guys with no boost. i don't need it, i had 220lbs tq stock. i'm sure the SC is fun, but i think a turbo would be more fun, not to mention, the fastest vibe ever on this board was a turbo base!

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:47 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»i don't need it, i had 220lbs tq stock. on an 18,000 pound car is useless.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:51 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»I rode in Adams sc vibe...its faster but with the price he paid for a turbo, there is no way in heck id go SC with prices around 1500 and up for those. the turbo vibe would be much faster and have more ability to tune for more power.It's 800 bucks for the Turbo,but you have to factor in the costs of fabrication and tuning,and all the extras involved.I agree with you 100%,but don't write off the s/c though.Also don't compare all the s/c's with Adam's.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:01 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»on an 18,000 pound car is useless. not too bad: http://videos.streetfire.net/v...4.htmcan you beat that stock maxx 3.5? (only 3400 lbs)

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:03 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»It's 800 bucks for the Turbo,but you have to factor in the costs of fabrication and tuning,and all the extras involved.I agree with you 100%,but don't write off the s/c though.Also don't compare all the s/c's with Adam's.the turbo is a kit, with manifold and piping. all thats needed is the tunable ecu or addon. why cant i compare a SC with adams? he has a stock sc ecu and SC. with a sc 1zz your still in what 14 maybe 15 second 1/4 mile times. with turbo it could be lower. Im all for SC but i didnt feel like the power increase for the vibe was worth 2 grand, theres more potential for power with a turbo and getting a kit for 800 is a fantastic start. if it was the sc for 800 id say stay SC.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:10 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»not too bad: http://videos.streetfire.net/v...4.htmcan you beat that stock maxx 3.5? (only 3400 lbs)ahahahaha,shamefully it's probably the same.But you have to remember you have 2 more cylinders and more displacement.Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»the turbo is a kit, with manifold and piping. all thats needed is the tunable ecu or addon. why cant i compare a SC with adams? he has a stock sc ecu and SC. with a sc 1zz your still in what 14 maybe 15 second 1/4 mile times. with turbo it could be lower. Im all for SC but i didnt feel like the power increase for the vibe was worth 2 grand, theres more potential for power with a turbo and getting a kit for 800 is a fantastic start. if it was the sc for 800 id say stay SC.I was just joking about Adams Vibe.But you need to talk to some guys that have done Turbo upgrades,you are way misinformed on all the costs.It's not just $800 and 250 horses.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:11 am

actually, the SC only nets 1/4 miles similar to the gt, if not a bit higher. sadly, with the turbo, you have to beef some stuff up if you want to turn up the boost to get impressive numbers.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:23 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»ahahahaha,shamefully it's probably the same.But you have to remember you have 2 more cylinders and more displacement.I was just joking about Adams Vibe.But you need to talk to some guys that have done Turbo upgrades,you are way misinformed on all the costs.It's not just $800 and 250 horses.what the....i never said that. He has the kit, so he needs some more things yes, but at the kit costing 800 thats pretty cheap considering lots of times its 2k for the kit alone. I am just saying since he got the kit cheap...why not, considering he is getting new harden pistons turbo would make better use for power.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:27 am

regardless if you go s/c or turbo, i'd recommend upgrading the tranny and block. for the price he's paid thus far, again, stick w/ the turbo. better gains and more you can do with the car. s/c is limiting. it's a lot easier to upgrade turbos once you have one installed unlike upgrading the s/c.

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:38 am

Kev, hang in there Dude, sounds they're gangin' up on ya...........like you, I'm kinda partial to a s/c. Wished I had one but when I need a 10+ second rush........................................http://img509.imageshack.us/my...l.jpgaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, that was fun.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:52 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»not too bad: http://videos.streetfire.net/v...4.htmcan you beat that stock maxx 3.5? (only 3400 lbs)Yes I can. Without even trying. If I had a turbo kit for $800 I would for sure keep it and not think twice about the s/c!

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:46 pm

Quote, originally posted by djb383 Â»Kev, hang in there Dude, sounds they're gangin' up on ya...........like you, I'm kinda partial to a s/c. Wished I had one but when I need a 10+ second rush........................................http://img509.imageshack.us/my...l.jpgaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, that was fun. i like airbags and reinforced steel, a-pillars, b-pillars, c-pillars, etc. i'll take my 12 sec turbo family sedan.... to be swapped with an 11 sec capable hatch. followed by our 10 sec RS build in the next few years.

wyatt89 · Post by **wyatt89** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:05 pm

stick with what you have, you might even end up under the price of the s/c package... even if you got an s/c a vibe gt would still burn you...

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:25 pm

^^not necessarily. stock s/c vibe vs a stock vibe GT would be pretty close. remember, the s/c really helps with the low end torque, something none of the Vibe models have. Torque gets you moving and power keeps you there. Off the line, a s/c Vibe should be able to take a stock Vibe GT, however depending on driver, the GT should catch up towards the end. If you have a built s/c Vibe like Lancer and a few of the others, they have proven you can get pretty close to 200whp w/ the S/C. Personally, though I loved my Vibe GT, it was a good move trading up to a car with stock 200awhp/200awtq. true the car was a little more money to start, however in it's stock form, I had more power and more luxury, AWD vs FWD, etc... in a more classier type vehicle. I paid $22K for the Vibe GT in 03 and I paid $26K for the LGT in 05. I put a good $6K in mods into the VGT before selling it only to get MAYBE 200 bhp. But I did get better fuel economy! LOL

wyatt89 · Post by **wyatt89** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:59 pm

oh for sure it would stomp it off the line but im pretty sure someone that knows their shift points would destroy a base s/c with a gt especially once the speeds start to increase...jesus, how did you do 6k in mods to the vibe gt?

Kamikaze · Post by **Kamikaze** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:28 pm

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»The turbo does have more potential,but the supercharger is a heck of a lot of fun.Funny how all the replies are from guys with no boost. I like your point that the replies are mostly coming from us w/ no boost... I think the reason why we're so quick to say keep the turbo, is cause:1. he already has it (regardless of cost for upgrades)2. you don't see many turbo'd vibes.Personally, If I had the turbo, I'd probably try to sell it for a profit and pick up a s/c that was made for the car... I might not have the fastest vibe, but I think it would be more reliable.(I'm agreeing with you Kev)

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:46 pm

There is some major differences between FI with a SC and FI with a turbo... The main GALRING difference is CONTROL.... with a SC it's belt driven, the engine slows and the SC slowsNot so much with a Turbo... This is why you have a wastegate and a BOV... If something goes wrong with the controls, Expect a POP or a meltdown.... A little boost drift, a faulty wastegate, manual boost controler malfunction...ect... will pop a non-turbo motor before you can say ahhhhhh ... Just make sure you get a grip on all your perfrial support systems, and make SURE you know what the car is doinf before you go floggin it, or your post-turbo posts will sound something like "OH NOS, I just farked my motor with a 35psi over boost...!!!".

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:47 pm

Quote, originally posted by Lancer Â»Yes I can. Without even trying. you sir, have no ordinary SC setup! you ever get 1/4 mile times for yours lancer?

MRCN RCE · Post by **MRCN RCE** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:01 pm

35psi?? psh, the vibe can take that without even breakin a sweat about the sc base vibe vs a GT, i really wanna see how the two would do. i think it's time for me to hit qualcomm for racelegal, break out the white glove, slap jason with it and challenge him to a duel. keep the turbo

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:32 pm

Quote, originally posted by MRCN RCE Â» i think it's time for me to hit qualcomm for racelegal, break out the white glove, slap jason with it and challenge him to a duel. with the extra 2000 lbs he has added to his car, it should be no contest.

MRCN RCE · Post by **MRCN RCE** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:39 pm

ohmygod he's dating my ex's mom?? (removed)

djb383 · Post by **djb383** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:26 am

Quote, originally posted by AKLGT Â»i like airbags and reinforced steel, a-pillars, b-pillars, c-pillars, etc. i'll take my 12 sec turbo family sedan.... to be swapped with an 11 sec capable hatch. followed by our 10 sec RS build in the next few years.Oh.............and did I mention 50 mpg. How far down the road are you from warp drive? Keep us posted. LOL, LOL

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:07 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»with the extra 2000 lbs he has added to his car, it should be no contest. (removed)! sorry, Jason, but even Mav's times in his stock 04 Vibe w/ cai, exhaust and unichip were faster than his w/ a supercharger. take a s/c base 5MT vs a stock VGT. that would be a good race. and no, Lancer, your's does not really count... I'm talking stock car w/ only S/C vs a stock VGT. preferably, the same driver..... taking it down the track. bench racing is always fun. just because it looks like you "should" win, doesn't mean you will.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:15 pm

what hope? you scared of lancer beating you? hahha jk

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:38 pm

uh... no. a s/c vibe does not scare my LGT. however, a s/c grand national would.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:47 pm

I wouldn't think there would be any contest with the LGT.At the rate I'm going now,I'll have the fastest s/c Vibe here.I'm coming for your Title Lancer. Actually,judging by the progress of 2 other Vibes,it will be 3 of us.

Celtic_Curse · Post by **Celtic_Curse** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:55 am

Wait till I'm done modding this Spring...hehehe. S/Cfor me is the way to go because to be honest its all about pulling up to a light and spankin the guy beside you to the next light. The chances of going full tilt with out killing myself is not something I want to do.

wyatt89 · Post by **wyatt89** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:56 am

grand national like a buick? those would be turbocharged...and up where you live it would have no traction so you would whoop it anyways

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:10 pm

Quote, originally posted by wyatt89 Â»grand national like a buick? those would be turbocharged...and up where you live it would have no traction so you would whoop it anyways no way. i've seen them up here run 10's. they make my car wet itself.

wyatt89 · Post by **wyatt89** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:16 pm

well yah, its a fast car(ive seen them run better than 10's) , i thought you were talking about on the street...haha i just had the image of one of those things trying to do autox that would be hilarious, especially with a spool in the back, it would DESTROY inner tires

xrs06 · Post by **xrs06** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:02 am

It all depends what your goals are. How many whp are you looking for? The best S/C set-up will net you around 180whp. Turbo will beat that without sweating.Another way to look at it:1- The S/C will stay within the "reliability" limit of the 1ZZ.2- The turbo will need some engine upgrade (especially rods) in order to see some potential of your kit.The reason why people think that a S/C set-up is more reliable is that most of them only produce 150whp. To be quite honest, while it is better than stock form, it won't brake any speed record.As for the turbo, you really need a crappy tune/kit in order to produce under 190whp. Yes a crappy tune will pop your engine. But using a good ECU with a good tune will give you 210whp, enough to go deep into the 14's.How many people are saying that the 2ZZ is a crappy engine to boost? Yet mine has been boosted at 9psi for the last 2 years. The secret??? A GOOD TUNE!BTW, are you 5 speed or auto???5 speed you're ok. Auto, the transmission isn't strong enough.

wyatt89 · Post by **wyatt89** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:34 am

thats a nice set up you have there, i would hate to have to experience the wheel hop in that thing though, its scary enough stock...

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:31 pm

Quote, originally posted by xrs06 Â»It all depends what your goals are. How many whp are you looking for? The best S/C set-up will net you around 180whp. Turbo will beat that without sweating.Another way to look at it:1- The S/C will stay within the "reliability" limit of the 1ZZ.2- The turbo will need some engine upgrade (especially rods) in order to see some potential of your kit.The reason why people think that a S/C set-up is more reliable is that most of them only produce 150whp. To be quite honest, while it is better than stock form, it won't brake any speed record.As for the turbo, you really need a crappy tune/kit in order to produce under 190whp. Yes a crappy tune will pop your engine. But using a good ECU with a good tune will give you 210whp, enough to go deep into the 14's.How many people are saying that the 2ZZ is a crappy engine to boost? Yet mine has been boosted at 9psi for the last 2 years. The secret??? A GOOD TUNE!BTW, are you 5 speed or auto???5 speed you're ok. Auto, the transmission isn't strong enough.agreed 100%150 whp after spending all that money would suck. and a huge let down imo. you can have a pretty reliable set up as long as you reinforce the engine or tranny so it can handle the power.I love my LGT and having a car about 300whp is a lot of fun. however, with the auto, it's not near as strong as it's MT counterparts and I have to modify the tranny to make sure it can survive. even still, I'm sure my tranny will eventually give out. it's too bad, because it's a great car and a lot of fun to drive.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:37 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»I wouldn't think there would be any contest with the LGT.At the rate I'm going now,I'll have the fastest s/c Vibe here.I'm coming for your Title Lancer. Actually,judging by the progress of 2 other Vibes,it will be 3 of us.We'll see about that. You continue with the tuning route and I'll get the transmission rebuilt. We'll see who wins

xrs06 · Post by **xrs06** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:56 am

Unfortunately for you guys, the S/C, at one point, is putting more hot air than anything else.Would suck to spend lots of $$$ to build the tranny only to be limited to 180whp max...

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:09 pm

what sucks is that the 1zz SC is small and doesnt have way to put a intercooler on it

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:19 pm

Quote, originally posted by Petrucci914 Â»We'll see about that. You continue with the tuning route and I'll get the transmission rebuilt. We'll see who wins I'm doing my Valve body this weekend and MW torque converter.My tranny is still in mint shape,opened it up last weekend.Guess I'm a few steps ahead of you.I guess I win Quote, originally posted by xrs06 Â»Would suck to spend lots of $$$ to build the tranny only to be limited to 180whp max...Unfortunately you are correct,Jean Guy.That's the max,I heard someone say 200whp,ahahahaha they are incorrect.

Petrucci914 · Post by **Petrucci914** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:51 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»I'm doing my Valve body this weekend and MW torque converter.My tranny is still in mint shape,opened it up last weekend.Guess I'm a few steps ahead of you.I guess I win Unfortunately you are correct,Jean Guy.That's the max,I heard someone say 200whp,ahahahaha they are incorrect. Darn you! Stealing my ideas and all! haha. You getting the LevelTen Valve Body? Taking your tranny apart? How handy are you? Maybe I'll take a drive to Canada and have you do some work for me. Let me know how the Valve Body/Torque converter helps things. I was planning on doing the same thing but wasn't sure if a custom job involved replacing other parts. I didn't wanna order those parts and have it done and find out that other parts are just as important to replace.

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:28 am

I had it in the works for a few months now.I dropped the pan and had a peek inside to look for any wear last weekend.I was talking with MW and they told me to not even bother with the valve body,but I've never liked the 2-3 shift since the s/c install,so I decide to call level 10.I also ordered the MW torque converter,it should be here tomorrow or Friday,wuhoo.I've replaced all my valve bodies in my muscle cars,and it looks about the same amount of work involved.I'll keep you posted.

xrs06 · Post by **xrs06** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:38 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»Unfortunately you are correct,Jean Guy.That's the max,I heard someone say 200whp,ahahahaha they are incorrect. Actually my first name is Benoit but that's fine As for being right or wrong about the max power available from the S/C, if you go back 3 years ago, people thought any form of F/I on the 2ZZ was a no no. Now look around, there's plenty of them on the road.It's all about proving people wrong. You could change the rotor inside the S/C for the MP45 (don't quote me on the #) and see where it takes you. You might need physical mod to the S/C (90% sure on that) in order for it to accept it but it could be enough for you to reach 200whp.Pushing the limit is cool. As long as you have a budget for a blown engine in case...Good luck and keep us updated!

Renthorin · Post by **Renthorin** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:17 pm

or you could have the best of both worlds and put a turbo on a supercharged motor

Celtic_Curse · Post by **Celtic_Curse** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:39 am

Quote, originally posted by Renthorin Â»or you could have the best of both worlds and put a turbo on a supercharged motor :-)For our 1ZZ's that would equal BOOM...lol.

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