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ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:05 am

this looks pretty interesting...http://www.autosportcatalog.co...=4747what do you guys think

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:26 am

What? There's non-awd Vibes out there???I wouldn't trust them. Snow tires are your best bet.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:51 am

They make an interesting alternative to tire chains if they work. They're not for extended use and have a max speed of 30mph.I've seen the ads on TV.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:41 am

I don't want to sound harsh, but BUY SOME DARM SNOW TIRES FOR CRAP SAKE..... lol.... please take that with a grain of salt... lolfor under 400$ snow tires can be bought, what is 400$ compaired to the cost of your nerves, your insurance, your car (repairs) or even your LIFE.... 400$ is NOTHING compaired to any of that... I thank you for posting alternitives, BUT, it's just a bandaid for the real problem, crappy tires in the snow...

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:56 am

HAHA... i would just laugh at you as i drove by watching you struggle putting socks on your tires in temps that are 20degrees or colder.Watch out for frost bite.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:18 am

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»HAHA... i would just laugh at you as i drove by watching you struggle putting socks on your tires in temps that are 20degrees or colder.Watch out for frost bite.hahahahahhaahahalike that? at least with socks on, the tires would be warm and cozy

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:20 am

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind Â»I don't want to sound harsh, but BUY SOME DARM SNOW TIRES FOR CRAP SAKE..... lol.... please take that with a grain of salt... lolfor under 400$ snow tires can be bought, what is 400$ compaired to the cost of your nerves, your insurance, your car (repairs) or even your LIFE.... 400$ is NOTHING compaired to any of that... I thank you for posting alternitives, BUT, it's just a bandaid for the real problem, crappy tires in the snow... this public service anouncement has been brought to you by sublimewind.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:12 am

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»HAHA... i would just laugh at you as i drove by watching you struggle putting socks on your tires in temps that are 20degrees or colder.Watch out for frost bite.Meh, 20 isn't THAT bad.... now when 10-15 comes around, then you gotta watch out..!!!

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:13 am

Quote, originally posted by ramenboy... Â»this public service anouncement has been brought to you by sublimewind.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:26 am

hahahahahahah

MRCN RCE · Post by **MRCN RCE** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:33 pm

Quote, originally posted by ramenboy... Â»what do you guys think$80?? i think those are some pretty expensive oversized shower caps...

lovemyraffe · Post by **lovemyraffe** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:39 pm

I wouldn't trust those at all. I don't have snow tires, I just have a good all-season tire.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:04 am

For $80 a piece you could get a decent snow tire.

ajflan · Post by **ajflan** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:31 am

I will be the first, and probably last to say this, but I don't give a crap about snow tires, and I will never buy a set. I have never had a problem with driving in the snow on stock tires, so the only danger is other people on the road. And snow tires do nothing to help with that.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:13 am

Quote, originally posted by ajflan Â»I will be the first, and probably last to say this, but I don't give a crap about snow tires, and I will never buy a set. I have never had a problem with driving in the snow on stock tires, so the only danger is other people on the road. And snow tires do nothing to help with that. I'd like to hear your opinion on that after a winter in a climate like alaska

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:46 am

Quote, originally posted by ajflan Â»I will be the first, and probably last to say this, but I don't give a crap about snow tires, and I will never buy a set. I have never had a problem with driving in the snow on stock tires, so the only danger is other people on the road. And snow tires do nothing to help with that. and if you drove in our winter conditions without snow tires, you would be one of those stupid idiot drivers. and while you were stuck spinning your tires round and round in the snow and ice, we would all point and laugh at the guy who refuses to buy snow tires. and sorry, MI winters aren't boo compared to ours.

sk8r78 · Post by **sk8r78** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:01 am

I was watching Man vs Wild and Bear Grylls was on a glacier and he could barely stand and he took his boots off and put his socks on over his boots and was able to walk anywhere on the glacier. Not everone needs snow tires. And we all know 4wd and Awd vehicles never go in the ditch, and snow tires never break traction, regardless of the type of vehicle, most go in the ditch from over driving the road conditions and thier vehicles ability. Could be a small price to pay to get out of a terrible situation.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:01 am

(removed)^^and i can tell you from experience in both the Vibe GT and Vibe we owned, it was spin spin spin city! no more spinning tires and going nowhere in the winter. even last 2 seasons I ran with only winter radials, not studded tires, still spin spin. so AWD doesn't have anything to do with the spinning.... if tires weren't so important, than there would be no need for race car drivers to need race rubber.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:23 pm

Quote, originally posted by AKLGT Â»(removed)^^.... if tires weren't so important, than there would be no need for race car drivers to need race rubber. Not a good example. It may be true that some need snow tire, but race car drivers use race tires because they are trying to win a race.....keep up with the rest of the racers. It's like saying helmets are important because football players wear them. When it comes to snow, I have no desire to keep up with anyone. Truth is, most of the folks on this board don't need snow tires and 100% of the folks on this board would be better served by driving slower under all conditions. I'm lucky. It only snows about 2 times a year where anything other than standard tires are needed. When this happens, it's usually because the snow is so high, no tires would help me. If the ice is that bad, I'm staying home. Yay for snow days for adults! 28 at fault accident free years and counting.

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:51 pm

where you live makes sense. you don't need snow tires. all seasons might be helpful, however where I live, they do make sense. if you live in Arizona, you most likely won't ever need snow tires of any kinds. to have snow tires for no reason would be pointless. What I was saying is that if TIRES weren't so important, then people would have no use for the many types and varieties out there. Tires can make a world of difference. It doesn't mean you can still drive the same way in the snow and ice as you do when it's dry outside. of course not! but when it comes to starting and stopping in ice or snow, they will make a difference and can give you that little bit of an edge to help keep you out of the ditch or in an accident. *edit* and where I live, there is no such thing as a snow day. 2" or 2' I still have to run my business.

lovemyraffe · Post by **lovemyraffe** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:28 pm

Quote, originally posted by ajflan Â»I will be the first, and probably last to say this, but I don't give a crap about snow tires, and I will never buy a set. I have never had a problem with driving in the snow on stock tires, so the only danger is other people on the road. And snow tires do nothing to help with that. Wow that's what I have been saying for a long time. I really don't think there is a reason for snow tires (ok maybe 2 days a year I would actually need them).

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 am

Quote, originally posted by AKLGT Â»*edit* and where I live, there is no such thing as a snow day. 2" or 2' I still have to run my business.What do you guys do if there is 2 feet of snow on the road? Do the plows always clear the roads or do you have to have a back up vehicle with enough ground clearance to make it through no matter what?

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:06 am

Quote, originally posted by Tubaryan12 Â»What do you guys do if there is 2 feet of snow on the road? Do the plows always clear the roads or do you have to have a back up vehicle with enough ground clearance to make it through no matter what? in the winter time, when we go ice climbing up in munising WI, the city would plow the main roads in, out and around, but the smaller streets stayed snowed up. people would either snow shoe, cross country or snow mobile around (or take their chances with their cars, like us foreigners). you could go to bars and there'd be 10-15 snowmobiles parked side by side, like motorcyle gangs. made me think of names like hell freezes over's angels or somethinganyways, back on topic, i'm sure that's how it would be in alaska too, main arteries plowed, but smaller streets don't get much attention...something like that Hope? Mav?anyways, just got my snow socks in the mail today. in a nice yuppie argyle. just kidding

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:17 am

there is no way on earth, i could drive with my stock's or my new all seaons in those two storms duluth got so far this year. My snow tires have saved my but from gettnig stuck, that and handling on snow is soooooo much better. when down town has 12 inches and no plow and i need to make it up the hill..yeah...i think it was a good purchase.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:06 pm

Where I live, snow tires are optional, we just don't get that much snow, and it doesn't stay around that long. The road crews are able to get things passable pretty quickly. However, if I lived somewhere where it did snow often, I would get snow tires. I have lived in places where I was glad to have snow tires.The key thing is to know your car's limitations, and don't over drive for the conditions.And just to yank drunken's chain, AWD doesn't help you stop.

Moon_wagon · Post by **Moon_wagon** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:29 am

In some part of the world, snow tires are a necessary thing. Of course they're not full proof, but they're way better than all season tires.Starting next winter, snow tires will be mandatory in Quebec in winter. How they will enforce that is another story though... but good luck having an accident with all season tires after that. Insurance probably wont pay.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:52 pm

Quote, originally posted by ajflan Â»I will be the first, and probably last to say this, but I don't give a crap about snow tires, and I will never buy a set. I have never had a problem with driving in the snow on stock tires, so the only danger is other people on the road. And snow tires do nothing to help with that. As cool as I think you are, this shows me how little you know..... The only danger is the "other" people on the road..... So, you carry no danger with you when you drive.... fool..... you are driving a 2500lb car...!!! you are as dangerous as ANYONE else on the road.... SNOW TIRES DO NOT MAKE SUPERMAN DRIVERS..... They ONLY "help" where help is needed, stopping is the BIG benifit... Don't get me wrong, they help a LOT in getting moving, but it's more so the stopping department that they really shine... I hate to say this, but i'm waiting for the posts titled "Oh nos, I wrecked my car"

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:18 am

Having snow tires or AWD is a HUGE benefit over using stock or all seasons. AWD with snow tires is even better. But all this falls upon the driver and the weather. If it's icy, nothing will help, unless you have studs. I had an 02 Civic EX 5spd. coupe for 2.5 years. I ran one season on Toyo Proxe 4's. Bad idea, the car was a sled no matter what speed. It would not even get up the slightest inclines without problems. My fiances VW Cabrio was better in the snow, but she also had a heavier car. I put on a set of Kelly snow tires next season and made a trip to New Hampshire during a new year's eve snowstorm. I picked up the Trix AWD August of 06. Went through one winter with the Goodyear stocks and the car was a vast improvement. Able to climb hills, make corners and get me around at a SAFE speed. I put on the Kumho perf. all seasons and the car is even better this year in the slop.But when it's time to stop, you better know your car and the road conditions and leave tons of room. I always sit back from the line in case someone comes behind me sliding or if a person coming round the corner spins around. It amazes me to see people in their FWD cars flying around doing 40-50 on snowy roads. But I will give it to my AWD, it has definitely gotten me out of places and to places that even a FWD with snow tires probably would have struggled. It's a nice factor to know you rear wheels kick in to push you out of some sticky situations.

ajflan · Post by **ajflan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:40 am

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind Â»As cool as I think you are, this shows me how little you know..... The only danger is the "other" people on the road..... So, you carry no danger with you when you drive.... fool..... you are driving a 2500lb car...!!! you are as dangerous as ANYONE else on the road.... SNOW TIRES DO NOT MAKE SUPERMAN DRIVERS..... They ONLY "help" where help is needed, stopping is the BIG benifit... Don't get me wrong, they help a LOT in getting moving, but it's more so the stopping department that they really shine... I hate to say this, but i'm waiting for the posts titled "Oh nos, I wrecked my car" Ok, I don't know how much snow you and your subie get wherever you are in Michigan, but here in Shelby Twp, it does not snow enough to warrent the purchase of snow specific tires. A good set of all seasons will do just fine. I am not rally racing my car around town anyway, so I have no problem going slow. Maybe its not how little I know, but how little I choose to spend on unneeded items.I said my opinion on the matter, you could have stated yours without the extra comments such as "fool", or "how little I know". I don't think that is necessary in a discussion about tires.

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:11 am

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:15 am

Quote, originally posted by ajflan Â»Ok, I don't know how much snow you and your subie get wherever you are in Michigan, but here in Shelby Twp, it does not snow enough to warrent the purchase of snow specific tires. A good set of all seasons will do just fine. I am not rally racing my car around town anyway, so I have no problem going slow. Maybe its not how little I know, but how little I choose to spend on unneeded items.I said my opinion on the matter, you could have stated yours without the extra comments such as "fool", or "how little I know". I don't think that is necessary in a discussion about tires.Sorry I ruffled your feathers homie....

ajflan · Post by **ajflan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:20 am

Oh no hard feelings here. I have been grumpy these last couple days and I seem to have a shorter fuse than usual. Sorry to snap at you like that.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:36 am

Quote, originally posted by Sublimewind Â»Sorry I ruffled your feathers homie....Quote, originally posted by ajflan Â»Oh no hard feelings here. I have been grumpy these last couple days and I seem to have a shorter fuse than usual. Sorry to snap at you like that. "...Hey you cats out theh! stohp fighting!!!" Mick Jagger, Gimme Shelter

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:26 am

Quote, originally posted by ramenboy... Â»"...Hey you cats out theh! stohp fighting!!!" Mick Jagger, Gimme Shelter LoLerskates.....

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:23 am

hahahahahah!!!!!!! ROFL just spit mountain dew all over the keyboard and monitor!!!!!! had to replace the keyboard...

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:49 am

Quote, originally posted by ramenboy... Â»hahahahahah!!!!!!! ROFL just spit mountain dew all over the keyboard and monitor!!!!!! had to replace the keyboard...My jerb is done here...................and i'm spent...

AKLGT · Post by **AKLGT** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:20 am

do we need a group hug????

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:38 am

Quote, originally posted by AKLGT Â»do we need a group hug???? woohoo!!!!!

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:20 pm

Quote, originally posted by AKLGT Â»do we need a group hug???? Nope, nothing to see here, move along folks..... lolUnless of course you call it manditory, then sure....

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:44 pm

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:47 pm

(removed) i wanted a group hug until whelan came into this MY EYES!!!!! AHHHH

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:39 am

dammit whelan!!!! way to screw up a good thing. i think i just rhew up a little in my mouth...

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:53 am

Quote, originally posted by ramenboy... Â»dammit whelan!!!! way to screw up a good thing. i think i just rhew up a little in my mouth...Oh, in the days of the interwebpornonet, things could be worse, much worse... consider yourselves lucky this is a "family" site...

millster · Post by **millster** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:03 am

If there ever was a topic, could we please get back to it and stop the silliness?

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:17 am

Now back to the tires.I think the point trying to be made from the quasi argument/silliness above is that even though you may not drive in the snow very often if ever, and if you are still a good driver. That when it comes down to it, a snow tire will outperform an all season tire hands down. Otherwise there would be no market for them and they would not exist.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:52 am

yeah well i WAS gonna get a set for the vibe to wear just for the epic vibe meet, but you guys ruined it. forget it

ToolGuy · Post by **ToolGuy** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:04 am

Quote, originally posted by ajflan Â» A good set of all seasons will do just fine. I am not rally racing my car around town anyway, so I have no problem going slow. EXACTLY!! I have never bought snow tires for any of my front wheel drive cars in the two states I have lived, Ohio and now Michigan. Never will either, the Vibe does perfectly fine in the snow and so does my Jeep! Traction Control and all seasons is all I need.I used to drive my 4,800+ lb 4x4 Blazer in 2wd most of the time since it weighed a lot and had all seasons as well. Neither does my family still in Ohio... Alaska snow fall is a lot different as far as accumulation than Ohio and Michigan. In Alaska it may warrant them... Snow tires are more for RWD vehicles IMO, a good all season is all you need for FWD. Snow tires sales dropped big time after FWD's came out. And I would never buy these snow tire condoms in this thread... I would only get a set of these for emergencies and needed extra pull if stuck. Than again I have never gotten stuck in my FWD's.

Sublimewind · Post by **Sublimewind** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:54 am

Quote, originally posted by MiVibe-ToolGuy Â»EXACTLY!! I have never bought snow tires for any of my front wheel drive cars in the two states I have lived, Ohio and now Michigan. Never will either, the Vibe does perfectly fine in the snow and so does my Jeep! Traction Control and all seasons is all I need.I used to drive my 4,800+ lb 4x4 Blazer in 2wd most of the time since it weighed a lot and had all seasons as well. Neither does my family still in Ohio... Alaska snow fall is a lot different as far as accumulation than Ohio and Michigan. In Alaska it may warrant them... Snow tires are more for RWD vehicles IMO, a good all season is all you need for FWD. Snow tires sales dropped big time after FWD's came out. And I would never buy these snow tire condoms in this thread... I would only get a set of these for emergencies and needed extra pull if stuck. Than again I have never gotten stuck in my FWD's. Man, you need to come up here and take a drive in my Vibe with the "decent" A/S tires on them..... They are worn a bit, but not bad.... All I can say is the frist day I had to travel to work in the snow i was TERRIFIED and I LOVE driving in the snow.... I since put snows on and am much happier, although I can't really engine brake like I used to, I do still downshift the auto tranny, but it's not the same... I miss my Subie all over again.... There I said it....

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