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1.8-liter VVTL-i (2ZZ-GE) and VVT-i (1ZZ-FE) engine, transmission, exhaust, intake, and performance tuning discussions
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vibe Freak
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Why is the car seem slower with the new muffler. I have a full 2.5 header back exhaust with all magnaflow. When I have the stock rear muffler on the car she is nice and quite and hauls (removed). I put the Dynomax super turbo Hemi muffler and the car falls on its face off the line. I have reset the ecu and the car has instantly more torque with the stock rear muffler. Maybe there is something to back pressure. Also it has happened I am getting old because the car is to LOUD with the new muffler. An input on this would be great.
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Could some one please close one of these threads
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Post by Petrucci914 »

You'll have more back pressure with the stock exhaust, that's for sure. I'd put your new exhaust on and give it a few days to adjust, then make a judgment.
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Post by vibe Freak »

The car flies with the stock rear muffler. I will be waiting for a few days.
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Post by AKLGT »

can you retune?i know with my set up, if i don't retune for it, it's pulling timing and everything else based on the old set up. with F/I you should be getting much better gains. when i went to a full TBE in August, it probably gave me another 20 whp. it was a substantial difference. not sure how the S/C would be, but i'd imagine it should still give you more power.
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I am running the TRD piggy back ecu. I am going to try a smaller 2.25 turbo muffler and see what happens today.
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Re: IWhat the @#$$#@! (vibe Freak)

Post by drunkenmaxx »

first of all, sounds to me like you got a muffler designed for a V8, i bet that sounds like (removed)!
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I think it is to it sounds like a freakin civic
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Re: IWhat the @#$$#@! (vibe Freak)

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Still working on the exhaust. I will keep you guys up to date on the new exhaust....
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Re: IWhat the @#$$#@! (vibe Freak)

Post by BobofTheVibe »

My guess is there was a drop in back pressure and a loss of torque kinda like when a header is installed for a lot of cars. I know I am agreeing with someone here on this on this thread so far...just cant remember who.
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he didn't do a new header, he did 2.5" exhaust that started at the header.
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Post by mathteacher'04vibe »

I lost all back pressure too, when I went with a new exhaust. I have 2.5" stainless from the resonator back into a 1 in, 2 out muffler that is "ricey" loud. I will post pics when I get a chance. Anyway, with the loss of backpressure, my car has NO bottom end whatsoever, but it tries to spin the tires when it comes "on the cam" at about 4 grand:)
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Post by engineertwin2 »

My understanding is that loss of low end torque is typical when you reduce back pressure. I haven't studied up on it (but I will now) but I have heard fairly often that back pressure does affect torque throughout.
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