hayame exhaust

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:25 am

anybody ever get one?i was just wondering how they sound..i'd like to get a catback for my vibe, but i really dont want my vibe to sound like a weed whacker.here is a link to said producthttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...21793there are ten available, i wonder if we could set up a group buy?330.00 seems like a pretty good deal on a catback to me!i just msgd him and asked if we could do a discounted group buy, if there is any interest.pics:

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:49 am

i guarantee that will sound like (removed). the muffler is an infamous fart can.also, it doesn't clarify which models it fits and claims 15-20hp to the wheels. you could get your entire exhaust redone and get nowhere near that.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:26 am

It's not a cat-back. It's only a muffler and pipe like a Borla. Only Magnaflow makes a true cat-back.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:38 am

"It's not a cat-back. It's only a muffler and pipe like a Borla. Only Magnaflow makes a true cat-back."wrong. it is a catback. there is a midpipe which is only partially pictured in the one photo. i dont know why he doesnt have a full size photo showing all three parts, and if you look closer, you can see the other gasket pictured which would connect the axel back to the midpipe.and wrong again,nvidia n1 is a catbackgreddy evo2 is a catbackbassani makes a catbackvibrant makes an axel backand so does borla

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:39 am

the pipe shown to the right of the muffler, you can see the resonator.

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:40 am

Quote, originally posted by mistertwo Â»anybody ever get one?i was just wondering how they sound..i'd like to get a catback for my vibe, but i really dont want my vibe to sound like a weed whacker.here is a link to said producthttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...21793there are ten available, i wonder if we could set up a group buy?330.00 seems like a pretty good deal on a catback to me!i just msgd him and asked if we could do a discounted group buy, if there is any interest." Adds an extra 15-20 horsepower and torque to wheel"Yeah, ask him for a dyno sheet to prove that statement. This auction is HIGHLY dubious. it's not even a cat-back.Your best bet would be to go custom OR magnaflow cat-back, with the former giving the best gains, although no where near 15-20hp lol.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:43 am

please read all posts next time i didnt ask about hp/trq gains..those figures he gave are a magazine racers numbers. i know if anythingit may feel a little less tourqey due to a lack of backpressure because it is an n/a 4 cylinder, it doesnt need a mamoth 2 1/2-3inch exhaust. if i wanted to see whp gains, i'd be posting about s/c or building a sick n/a car or doing the 2zz swap and going turbo or again sick n/awrong. it is a catback. there is a midpipe which is only partially pictured in the one photo. i dont know why he doesnt have a full size photo showing all three parts, and if you look closer, you can see the other gasket pictured which would connect the axel back to the midpipe and midpipe to cat.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:49 am

If it's a cat-back, where is the resonator, I only see a muffler and short pipes. Where's the rest of the pipe to reach the cat. The pipe with the holes to the right of the muffler fits in the end of the muffler.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:51 am

well, catback or not, it will sound like (removed).

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:56 am

Quote, originally posted by Sunny Â»If it's a cat-back, where is the resonator, I only see a muffler and short pipes. Where's the rest of the pipe to reach the cat. The pipe with the holes to the right of the muffler fits in the end of the muffler.better?if that doesnt help you, then i dont know what else to say.:edit: i will play nice.

millster · Post by **millster** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:58 am

Quote, originally posted by mistertwo Â»better?if that doesnt help you, then maybe you shouldnt be modding a car...ever.OK boys. Let's play nice here, eh?

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:59 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»well, catback or not, it will sound like (removed).have you any experience with hayame ehausts? yes it looks like a rice pipe, but looks don't matter. its how the pipes are tuned, the greddy evo2 is made in such a way its only 92db, but looks like it should be louder than the hayame. pluuus there is a silencer if it is really thaaaat loud.does anyone on here have experience with anything but magnaflow? why all the magnaflow leg humping?

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:08 am

I won't give you a hard time.A few people have used them,they are louder than the Magnaflow.They are popular with the honda guys,so maybe check a honda forum for more reviews.And yes it is a cat back exhaust.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:09 am

for someone who knows nothing about this exhaust, you seem to know a lot about it. also, in the very beginning, you already bring up a group buy. are you selling this system?i have never heard of hayame, they don't say which models it fits, etc..in a nutshell, i would avoid that like the plague.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:11 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»I won't give you a hard time.A few people have used them,they are louder than the Magnaflow.They are popular with the honda guys,so maybe check a honda forum for more reviews.And yes it is a cat back exhaust.thanks for the info! do you know were they loud with the silencer in too? i would most likely leave it in all the time to increase back pressure and to limit the amount of tickets i would get.i posted this on another board and was told that they are pretty loud, but i think it was on a teg or civic no silencer.thanks for the help

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:15 am

It was a full hook up,with the silencer.It does sound good though.I've heard one on a matrix.It could get you in some trouble,depending on the local police.For the price try it out.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:18 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»for someone who knows nothing about this exhaust, you seem to know a lot about it. also, in the very beginning, you already bring up a group buy. are you selling this system?i have never heard of hayame, they don't say which models it fits, etc..in a nutshell, i would avoid that like the plague.i never said i didnt know anything about exhausts.. i am not new to the whole "car scene"i had an mr2 and i still have a supra which has a custom exhaust because not many people exhausts for mkII supras, actually one company to be exact. i have done my homework, although i am fairly young, i have been modding cars for 5 years now. the reason i love my vibe is that its pretty much a rebaged toyota...i am not saying i know everything there is to know, or that i am some information god of car knowledge.but i wanted to know about the sound on this exhaust. i am not selling this... if i was i'd have it on my car and i could tell you how it sounds... haha i have never heard of this company and wanted to know if anyone here had experience with them and how they sound, perform whatever. they make parts for most common import tuner cars, i.e. dsms, civics, mazdas etc... so i thought they might be reputable, just unheard of.i saw it said ten available, and since people seem to think there is only one catback avail for the vibe i thought maybe more people would want in. its an ebay listing and there is no option for group buy. i sent him a msg about it thinking i'd be helping people out here.. guess not.also about which model it fits? not positive, i can send him another ebay email and see what he says.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:22 am

Quote, originally posted by kevera Â»It was a full hook up,with the silencer.It does sound good though.I've heard one on a matrix.It could get you in some trouble,depending on the local police.For the price try it out.i know its hard to describe an exhaust sound, especially on the internet, but did it sound throaty at all, or did it sound real high and like a weed whacker. i will most likely pick one up, the local police are ok about it, but some of the surrounding cities are starting to be d*cks about modded cars. we have a huge double standard around here. a harley could rip by and shake your house... perfectly legalan import zips by with anything that looks/ sounds other than stock, pulled over and most times a ticket. and if i get this, i can always clutch in if there is a cop parked on the side of the road, til i go by, and then toss it in a higher gear til he is out of earshot. and thanks again for the on topic responses oooh and also what model matrix, base?just to clear up another question that was asked earlier...thanks again

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:46 am

good explanation.still, i would not buy it, he has them laying in the grass man. there are better products out there. the reason the magnaflow is so popular is for it's gains, it produces the most proved increases. as far as sound, the borla or the flowmaster seem to be the preference there.remember, you get what you pay for. as far as what's available for the vibe, there is no other place that can give you more info than here.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:47 am

If you do get it please post up some sound clips at different rpms, etc...!

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:31 am

it sucks that a cat back for a civic is like 200bucks but one for a vibe or matrix runs on avg like 400-600. of course thats exagerated a little. i just saw the price and thought it was a good deal, although i never personally heard the system on a vibe/matrix and have no experience with hayame personally.Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»good explanation.still, i would not buy it, he has them laying in the grass man. there are better products out there. the reason the magnaflow is so popular is for it's gains, it produces the most proved increases. as far as sound, the borla or the flowmaster seem to be the preference there.remember, you get what you pay for. as far as what's available for the vibe, there is no other place that can give you more info than here.i will def post up clips if i end up gettin it. i am seriously contemplating buying one, but i hate to buy it and have it sound like ****. then i am stuck.. i dunno what to do.Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â»If you do get it please post up some sound clips at different rpms, etc...!

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:21 am

this is only an opinion, and a statement of fact.the statement of fact is the "muffler"is going to hang down low. why? cause the vibe muffler goes across the back not straight out like the pic. the opinion? is if a company can't make an exhaust system to fit OEM I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. like buying a 1 size fits all part. you see a million of them on ebay.and I have to agree with drunken on this one it will look and sound like (removed).....buy a magnaflow or if you want to save a few bucks go with a borla. remember you get what you pay for.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:54 am

Quote, originally posted by scherry2 Â»this is only an opinion, and a statement of fact.the statement of fact is the "muffler"is going to hang down low. why? cause the vibe muffler goes across the back not straight out like the pic. the opinion? is if a company can't make an exhaust system to fit OEM I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. like buying a 1 size fits all part. you see a million of them on ebay.and I have to agree with drunken on this one it will look and sound like (removed).....buy a magnaflow or if you want to save a few bucks go with a borla. remember you get what you pay for. As long as the hangars are right I don't se why it would hang lower than stock. Whether it is a side muffler like ours or a striaght back like this, I think you could make piping to accomodate either, thus preventing any problems such as it hanging too low. I could be wrong, I am by no means a professional, just guesstimating! lol I also don't see how you could judge it's sound by it's appearance. Once again, when it comes to this I could be wrong, but I am assuming that it would be due to the chambering inside as to how it would sound. Listen to a Flowmaster exhaust, then cut off the resonator and see how it sounds! You know I'm not attacking you bud, but I think I would rather someone take a shot and see how it works out. I did, shot myself in the foot, but hey, I can get a new set-up when the funds are available (as I plan to do!). Every exhaust kit that has been bought was bought with no clue as to how it would sound on that particular car unless it was heard on another of the same car prior. You never know what you;re gonna get until you try it out!

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:51 am

Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â» I also don't see how you could judge it's sound by it's appearance. Once again, when it comes to this I could be wrong, well it was an opinion, but I guess your right when it comes to sound visually. as for the look I see a bunch of cars with the "fart cannon" look straight out the rear, and they never look right, as for the vibe? hey mistertwo try it out.

Mavrik · Post by **Mavrik** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:55 am

Well the ones in that photo do not look like they would fit the Vibe. And personally with the look of that large fart can... probably does sound horrible. IMO of course...

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:11 pm

Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â» Listen to a Flowmaster exhaust, then cut off the resonator and see how it sounds! like this?

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:12 pm

lots of speculation on sound and fitment, but kevera has seen it in action and said its not too too bad... i may end up being the genvibe guinnea pig on this one.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 1:59 am

upon further investigation it appears that the muffler section of the exhaust would not hang too low, but it would however stick off the rear very far. atleast thats how it looks to me.. so i guess i look for other options, i'd like to find a bolt on one and not have to deal with a muffler shop, i have no problem installing things myself. if i had a pipe bender and welder, i'd consider making my own.is magnaflow the choice for the vibers here?

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:16 am

really, it's either magnaflow, borla, or flowmaster. the gains aren't big anyway, so sound should be your big factor.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:32 am

then againlook at the skunk2 exhaustlooks like the same thing, so it should look fine then if other companys have a similar design?uugh! decisions decisions

millster · Post by **millster** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:33 am

As I recall, Greddy and Thermal were similar to that design as well but just a slightly larger muffler on both of those.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:35 am

invidia n1 system is also the same design

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:36 am

Quote Â»As I recall, Greddy and Thermal were similar to that design as well but just a slightly larger muffler on both of those.link to thermal and or greddy?i cant seem to find websites that really have good vibe parts other than neverenough, and ebay, but ebay can be sketchyalso after inspection,does the magnaflow bolt right on? neverenough said something about cutting the stock system off.. thats no good. i want to stay bolt on so i can swap out for warranty work if need be. any input?

millster · Post by **millster** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:54 am

Greddy is here:http://www.ptuning.com/html/It...=VibeThermal, I can't seem to find anymore.The Magnaflow doesn't bolt on at the axle like some of the others do. You have to cut the old resonator out and either weld or clamp the Magnaflow pipe in place.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 3:23 am

so with the greddy it bolts right up from the cat back, but you need to cut and weld the magnaflow? you may have just helped me reach a verdict with this. for an extra 50-60 $ i would take the direct bolt up over a cut and weld, mostly because i have only had the car for 4 months and i want to be able to take it back to stock fairly easy in case anything happens.OT: i have been looking at the ssbc brake kits at neverenough, i am contemplating the big brake kit and the rear drum conversion along with some 17" rims.i'd like to drop the car a little, but with the snow we get here in buffalo having a lowered car as a daily is pretty risky. also cant go too huge with the rimzzz cus the lower the profile tire the more likely to bubble it by hitting one of the ten million potholes in wny.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 3:24 am

oh noes! that evoII is for GT only.. boooo

kevera · Post by **kevera** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:35 am

Go with the Magnaflow.It's not to loud at idle,not enough to draw attention.Then sounds throaty when you rev her up.Any cat back you buy,you will have to cut some of your old system out.Regardless of which system you get,I would recommend welding instead of bolt on.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:10 am

i really dont want to hack up my stock system though... the car is 4 months old. i'd like to hang onto all the stock parts so if i go back to stock the car is easier to sell.. in buffalo a modded car nets you less the blue boook because people assume you beat the **** out the car all day long.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:21 am

Quote, originally posted by mistertwo Â» in buffalo a modded car nets you less the blue boook because people assume you beat the **** out the car all day long.LOL.... don't we all beat the snot out of our cars now and again... I know I have hit red line already in my Vibe.... lol

Ninja_Logan · Post by **Ninja_Logan** » Thu May 17, 2007 1:29 pm

Go Greddy FTW!!!

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:11 pm

Quote, originally posted by Ninja_Logan Â»Go Greddy FTW!!!i cant seem to find the package for the base anymore... boo!if you could hook me up with a link that'd be rockinQuote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»LOL.... don't we all beat the snot out of our cars now and again... I know I have hit red line already in my Vibe.... loli plead the 5th.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Sun May 20, 2007 6:04 am

so the guy got back to me on ebay and said if we were interested he would do a group buy. i sent him a bunch of questions,including a sound clip if possible,what model these fitand if it bolts up of if stock system modification is necessary and alsofor some better pics so we could all glance at them. he told me for right now he would do 300 shipped to my door, and since magnaflow seems to be the choice i will most likely be the guinea pig because thats a good price. if i get it i will def post sound clips.

ajflan · Post by **ajflan** » Sun May 20, 2007 12:52 pm

I look foward to seeing what you do.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:27 pm

Hi - I do not have additional pictures of the item beside the ones I already have up. Nor can I provide information on how the product sounds after it has been installed in a running Matrix. I recently had a customer purchase this product and was VERY satisfied that he personally emailed me back and thanked me. Here is the link to his purchase: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...41734 This was his feedback: THE BEST CUSTOMER SERVICE, PRICES, AND FASTEST SHIPPING ON EBAY! THE REAL DEAL!Buyer:slimreynolds May-18-07 15:05 Toyota Matrix 03-08 Hayame Stainless Catback Exhaust 04 (#330118141734)US $249.99 So I can assure you that fitment shouldn't be an issue. Nonetheless, I highly recommend a professional on installing this product. -andy that is the message he just sent me. so i emailed him back asking again if it was a bolt up system for real of if it requires modding the stock system like the magnaflow. also i asked again which model these were for. so far i am very skeptical after talking with him... i didnt think getting a few pics would be a big deal.. unless they are all boxed from the company and he doesnt want to mess up the packaging?? i dont know.. seems kinda sketchy.

ajflan · Post by **ajflan** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:44 am

I feel ya. I personally don't care for ebay shops. You never really know if you're getting ripped off untill the package is at your door. Good luck.

mistertwo · Post by **mistertwo** » Tue May 22, 2007 7:00 am

he emailed me again and this was the response he got from the customer who had bought one for his matrix."Hi - here's what the customer said:> > "Hey Andy,> > My car is a 2004 toyota matrix xr and it bolt right on to the pipe> after the cat. No cutting whatsoever. I'm not sure if it will fit> any other models but it fit mine like a glove. I hope i could be of> some help. Let me know if you get any other parts for my car,> thanks."> > So according to him, it'll fit the XR model like a charm. Is this the> model you have?"after that email i believe this will be a christmas in july present for myself i will post more updates as they happen.he just msg'd me again and said he would do 300 shipped as his best price... that sounds like fantastic deal to me! i will most likely be ordering in the next two days.. be on the lookout for a DIY install with pics

Dezz1 · Post by **Dezz1** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:21 pm

Shucks man, just get the Borla it bolts right on. No tugging, cutting or welding.

Dezz1 · Post by **Dezz1** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:25 pm

Quick question. Speaking of Redline. I've never redlined I always stay below it, is there a rev limiter, and if there is what is it set at?

Dezz1 · Post by **Dezz1** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:32 pm

Com'om be a guinea pig for the home team. I was a guinea pig in July 2002 when I purchased the GT, along with 100's of others. No one ever heard of it, and I believe it was the true first crossover. We were the first to find out about the clutch probs, very early valve problems (caught early), and after market mods that really made the difference.

CountryVibe · Post by **CountryVibe** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:18 pm

Quote, originally posted by Dezz1 Â»Quick question. Speaking of Redline. I've never redlined I always stay below it, is there a rev limiter, and if there is what is it set at?ya, right at the redline in the GT it's 7,600 rpm not sure on the base

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