Microsoft Vista

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:24 pm

Just curious to know who will be upgrading to the new Windows OS. I ordered my copy of Home Premium and will be doing a clean install this weekend.If you are getting it which version? Or are you sticking to your current OS?Please do not turn this into a bashing session between OS's. I also use a Mac at work and like both.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:26 pm

I will be keeping my current OS on this computer for now. I might think about upgrading at the end of this year or beginning of next until most of the bugs are worked out.EDTI: If I get a new computer it will have Vista on it, though.

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:21 am

just got a new computer and i'm waiting for delivery of vista.

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:25 am

Ok, I'll try to play nice. I got to take a few minutes to play around on a laptop with Vista on it at work here recently. From what little I saw of it, it was similar XP with a bunch of added fluff. I'm not convinced all the extra cheeseball special effects are worth rendering zillions of people's PC's useless. The PC companies/hardware vendors/etc will surely benefit from this, while putting the customer in a pretty lousy position. Plenty of money will have to be spent just to stay compatible with the rest of the world. I'll have to stick with Linux, but fortunately it can still be a pretty appealing OS while running on a quarter of the hardware Vista needs. I haven't ran Windows at home for years, and now if I actually wanted to try out this new version, I simply couldn't. The PC I have is one built in 2003 - AMD Duron 1600/512 MB/crappy onboard video. It's a speed demon! But with Linux on the sucker, to this day it continues to be more than adequate for my needs. While an upgrade to something modern would be nice, I have no plans to do so.We'll be switching to it at work here soon, they're going through some tests at the moment... They upgraded all of the PC's in my department to 2 GB of RAM last week in preparation. It was a pain in the (removed) and quite costly to get everybody off of 98 and switch XP, lord knows what they'll have to go through with Vista. Hopefully since the PC's are relatively new, they can get away with just minor upgrades. But the price of a stick of RAM multiplied by 400+ adds up quick.Anyway, for those who are fortunate enough to have stuff that can run it, let us know how it works out!I will be upgrading my Mac to Leopard once it is available though. P.S. I wasn't trying to bash, just trying to say "man, this OS is gonna take some massive hardware and hardware = money!"

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:29 am

FWIW, it has been found that vista runs better on a mac pro than a PC.

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:38 am

Too bad I can't even try it out on my mac as it dates back to the pre-Intel era. I wonder what makes it run better?

4X4CHICHI · Post by **4X4CHICHI** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:42 am

93 octane

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:46 am

also, it has a very striking resemblence to osx

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:48 am

Quote, originally posted by 4X4CHICHI Â»93 octaneYou mean you gotta run 93 octane in your Vista Cruiser?

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ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:08 am

Ahem back on topic please lol!!

mspalmer · Post by **mspalmer** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:39 am

My 4 year old computer would never be able to handle Vista without slowing to a crawl. It's already slow enough with all the various programs and setting changes, etc that have accumulated over the years. When I get a new computer in another couple years I'll probably have to get Vista on it (preloaded).Mike

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:48 am

(removed) Quote Â»93 octaneAnyways, seeming that I just got my Dell Laptop like 3 months ago, I will be sticking with Windows XP Media Center Edition, love it!I also upgraded as I had a POS Compaq desktop with 20G hard drive and Windows 98. So this is a big impovement for me.Dell Inspiron E1505 I think?15.4 Widescreen with Truelife1.66Ghz80G HD2MB Ram8x DVD-R CDR driveExtended Batteryupgraded graphicssome other cool stuff. I am not big with details on computers, if it's more expensive, then it means it's better than the stuff previously offered. But I am happy with my setup. Just put Norton Antivirus on there as well. After my last two desktops crashed I was not up for another.

tnpartsguy · Post by **tnpartsguy** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:30 am

I too plan to upgrade my Mac ASAP, but my MS boxes will stay with XP-Pro.... Last time I jumped on the MS upgrade bandwagon, it cost me huge amounts of money and productivity.

NUBlackshirts · Post by **NUBlackshirts** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:40 am

Compared to previous Windows releases, I am not inclined to upgrade to Vista. I just don't see the point right now. In the future, if some program (AKA game) requires me to run Vista, then I might think about it. But XP runs all my current games and I am happy with it.

silvrhawk7 · Post by **silvrhawk7** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:26 am

As of right now, we are testing it, and it seems to be a mixed crowd between workstations at this moment. For instance myself and a co-worker have the same exact Dell GX 620 tower and tried to upgrade to vista off of the same disk... (enterprise copy)Mine works fine, and his will not upgrade, and the funny thing is, i have more stuff on my Tower versus his....I will keep everyone informed on the progress....

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:33 am

I personally will be ordering it from the school in April (student price of like $3) but I will not install it right away. We have been testing it at work...and im on the fence about it. We installed it to a p4 gateway 600ygr laptop with 512mb ram and vista gave it a rating of 1.0 out of 10 compatibility with vista. sooo my pc might be like a 5...and well its slow as heck on that laptop and my xp is running fine for now.

coldmm803 · Post by **coldmm803** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:04 am

if you plan to upgrade to vista, do not get an oem disk they are half price for a reason. if you need to format some time down the road you will not be able to so more than once. due to abnormal errors i've had to format XP twice since the beginning of the summeri'm on the fence about upgrading, i was running one of the beta versions in the beginning of october for a while and upon installing it, it managed to install 3 files to my spare hard drive. i tried to do a windows repair and it said it didnt know how. i dont like how it constantly asks if your sure you want to install or delete something but i think theres a way to turn that off. i do like the new appearence tho.i have since formated those 2 drives and installed suse linux onto one of them and have the other for storage in XP. i would honestly switch to linux but the programs i need for engineering dont work in linux. i have heard of a program for linux called wine? and that may help but dont know enough about linux yet. i'm having issues staying online with it on my college campus

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:15 am

the OEM disks should not be any different from the retail disks. The only difference is they do NOT come with the little manual and box. it is JUST the disk and key that is it. I have 2 oem XP pro's and run them with no issues.

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:41 am

I have a funny feeling that Microsoft will stop supporting XP real soon....need to look into this...

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:18 am

MS said they will stop supporting XP in 2011

coldmm803 · Post by **coldmm803** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:27 am

north: from what i've heard the oem license deal was being changed for vista and that license restrictions is the reason oem cost so much less than boxed

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:57 am

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»At work, we may eventually move to Vista, but it will be a couple of years I expect.At work one of my PCs is running on Win2K and my main workstation was just upgraded to WinXP. Most of the office is still on Win2K with the plan to rollout XP this winter. We won't be doing Vista for... years.

silvrhawk7 · Post by **silvrhawk7** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:48 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»I personally will be ordering it from the school in April (student price of like $3) but I will not install it right away. We have been testing it at work...and im on the fence about it. We installed it to a p4 gateway 600ygr laptop with 512mb ram and vista gave it a rating of 1.0 out of 10 compatibility with vista. sooo my pc might be like a 5...and well its slow as heck on that laptop and my xp is running fine for now.My Dell opti 620 with 80GB HDD and 2GB of RAM and 2.7Ghz P4 HTGives me only a rating of 3.6 out of 10... but it runs descently

jimincalif · Post by **jimincalif** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:20 pm

Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic Â»P.S. I wasn't trying to bash, just trying to say "man, this OS is gonna take some massive hardware and hardware = money!" Intel giveth, and Microsoft taketh away!

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:26 pm

Quote, originally posted by ArcsVibe Â»I have a funny feeling that Microsoft will stop supporting XP real soon....need to look into this...new apple software has already dumped the powermac g5's. you have to have a the new ones to run quark 7. (graphics jargon) all my programs run on an emulator now.

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:26 pm

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»new apple software has already dumped the powermac g5's. you have to have a the new ones to run quark 7. (graphics jargon) all my programs run on an emulator now.you mean it will cost more money, just like microsoft?

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:02 am

Quote, originally posted by scherry2 Â»you mean it will cost more money, just like microsoft? (removed)! Too funny...ok I was not able to install it last night (no time) I will try it tonight and post some screen shots. If I can't install it tonight viva le weekend!!

Kari · Post by **Kari** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:18 am

Quote, originally posted by scherry2 Â»you mean it will cost more money, just like microsoft? It wasn't Apple's decision...it was Quark's. All of Apple's own programs are universal binaries that run natively on both PowerPC and Intel processor Macs.

tnpartsguy · Post by **tnpartsguy** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:00 am

Quote, originally posted by Kari Â»It wasn't Apple's decision...it was Quark's. All of Apple's own programs are universal binaries that run natively on both PowerPC and Intel processor Macs.Ummmm, I thought SOME of the Apple Software won't work correctly on the Intel Processor....which is why them invented the grey yin/yang symbol ("Universal") if it will work on either, or is plainly marked otherwise.... Feel free to correct me, but that's what the local Apple Store folks have told me, because I still have a power PC mini mac.....Return to topic at hand, sorry......

Kari · Post by **Kari** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:13 am

Quote, originally posted by tnpartsguy Â»Ummmm, I thought SOME of the Apple Software won't work correctly on the Intel Processor....which is why them invented the grey yin/yang symbol ("Universal") if it will work on either, or is plainly marked otherwise.... Feel free to correct me, but that's what the local Apple Store folks have told me, because I still have a power PC mini mac.....Return to topic at hand, sorry......I'm fairly sure that all of the software that is actually authored by Apple is now universal. Some of the other manufacturers haven't caught up yet though, or I guess Quark has chosen to make their new software Intel only, but Apple has no control over that.

WaveAction · Post by **WaveAction** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:47 am

my dad just bought the vista and hates it..cause alot of the programs he has..also hardware..aint compatible with the vista so they dont work

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:57 am

Super super super super smooth installation tonight! Will post pics in a few moments...I love it!

WaveAction · Post by **WaveAction** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:00 am

none of your programs didnt operate cuz of the new format?? my dad had problem with his stuff..like his video card and sound card and some programs

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:11 am

I actually ordered a new pretty top of the line Dell desktop computer about two weeks ago so I could still get one with Windows XP. It has got all the bells and whistles like Intel Core Duo, 2mb ram, 256mb Video card, dual 250gb HD's so if one fails you have all the data on the other drive safe etc. It can handle the new Vista but I was warned that some of my unique tax and business/legal software might not work properly on Vista. Also - I am an old dog that is hard to teach new tricks. I will get the Vista upgrade for Dell's unreasonable shipping and handling fee of about $50. With a 20" wide lcd monitor and 3 years service warranty is was about $1,650 plus tax.

coldmm803 · Post by **coldmm803** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:05 pm

Quote, originally posted by ArcsVibe Â»Super super super super smooth installation tonight! Will post pics in a few moments...I love it!good to hear your enjoying it, most general usage people will be fine with it (internet and documents)it is very easy to install based on how it went during beta

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:40 pm

be cautious. when you click the windows button aka the start button then that first power button that looks like a power button. its actually a hibernate button. so if your going to do any hardware changing or anything you would do while it would be actually "OFF" do NOT. hibernate mode is not actually off so when you return on the pc it will FREAK out after any changes you made and will crash or not see the changes you made. you have to click the turning off options next to that "fake power button" and then choose OFF. that will turn the pc off the normal way you are used to and you can change all of your hardware you need to etc.They do this because booting from hibernate mode is supposidly much faster (usually is) than a cold start. So be warned.

Atomic · Post by **Atomic** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:09 am

I'm not planning to upgrade any time soon.I usually wait a good long while until there is a few service packs out, then decide that it probably still has too many bugs, and it's just not worth it.At work, all the computers are running 2000, and Office 97!My home stuff had 2000 until last fall, when my kid put on XP.I don't see any huge difference in speed or functionality, and anything else is just added fluff.As long as the operating system works, and allows you to run your programs, (isn't that really all it's there for?) then why bother to upgrade at all?My 2 cents. Canadian. worth about 1.6 cents US.

TJinPgh · Post by **TJinPgh** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:45 am

Quote, originally posted by Atomic Â»As long as the operating system works, and allows you to run your programs, (isn't that really all it's there for?) then why bother to upgrade at all?As long as Microsoft doesn't start putting pressure on 3rd party vendors (both hardware and software) to only support Vista, there's not much reason at all.Even if I were to upgrade to Vista (no current plans, my PC won't support it anyway, and I'm not upgrading hardware if I can help it), I won't use their built in security features. I'll still want something 3rd party.

silvrhawk7 · Post by **silvrhawk7** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:10 am

Personally, It will be fine in the home environment, but as far as the business end. XP and 2000 are sufficient for windows OS's. I see nothing impressive in the business world for vista...

coldmm803 · Post by **coldmm803** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:31 am

vista is a major loss in the business end for engineering (3D design programs) since microsoft got rid of open gl. it causes an 85%+ decrease in performancetop 2 chartshttp://www.tomshardware.com/20....html

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:49 am

go ahead, upgrade window users! take a weekend and pick one!

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scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:27 am

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx Â»go ahead, upgrade window users! take a weekend and pick one!Funny, but not as funny as the mac commercials.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:37 pm

HAHAHHA drunken that is an awesome pic. I have a flow chart of upgrading...dang it was on digg i should try to find it. They did forget Vista Starter though. which is the stripped down one for 3rd world countries or something crazy and only runs 3 apps at a time. ohhhh the crazyness, im not looking forward to people asking me which one they should get god they are going to be confused. I installed a HP 2200 laserjet on a vista machine today. vista found it all by itself, no cd or extra software needed but it took 10 min to install it This isnt the flow chart but its funny as heck

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:08 pm

Right on, somebody at work sent me that and I was getting ready to come here and post it. They say variety is the spice of life... But good grief, leave the 31 flavors crap to Baskin Robins! I didn't know they had that many variations of the thing, why do they really need all that? It's only going to complicate things from the retailers on down to the computer illiterate crowd. I can't wait until people start asking me which one they should get... I guess I can give them the options "Super Vista Cruiser Turbo Iridium Special, or Vista pr0rn Cruiser 3000 Premium!" I hate because I know stuff about computers how people always come to me with windows questions, I don't know, away from work, I haven't used that stuff in forever! I know enough about XP to get by at work, other than that, I haven't a clue as I reserve my limited brain power for use on other operating systems. There's too many of us that need those "I will not fix your computer" shirts.

silvrhawk7 · Post by **silvrhawk7** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:22 pm

Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic Â» There's too many of us that need those "I will not fix your computer" shirts. Rock on CP, Personally I have been telling people that if they have XP of any kind, keep it, dont even bother to upgrade, and you took the words right out of my mouth, "leave the 31 flavors to Baskin Robbins"

WaveAction · Post by **WaveAction** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:38 pm

well so far my dad hates vista..he cant install some programs..or his sound card

Atomic · Post by **Atomic** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:39 pm

They got rid of Open GL? That's pretty stupid.I guess this means that most of these mid-priced CAD package users are going to have to stay with XP for a while, at least until CP decides to rewrite the code and release his bootleg version of Open (GL) Windows Vista Cruiser Super Turbo Extreme Deluxe for Business.

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:26 am

Quote, originally posted by RedFire2K Â»well so far my dad hates vista..he cant install some programs..or his sound card2 things he might have to do. Reinstall the drivers for his sound card and also which programs is he having problems with?

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:46 am

Yeah, the lack of OpenGL is kinda strange... I don't know why they would overlook that! That's really going to have a negative impact on companies who rely on the software that relies on the technology. Don't worry. I'll get that update right out after I finish Open (GL) Windows Vista Cruiser Super Turbo Extreme Deluxe for small to medium sized government institutions. Which I guess I shouldn't knock them for wanting to have variety, look at all the different flavors of Linux that are out there. But all of the varieties of Linux are significantly different from each other in many ways... possibly moreso than what one version of Vista would compare to another, but I don't know for sure.

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:14 am

just a little off topic (not much though) I just read where APPLE issued a security update to fix 22 OS X holes.