gm's 'live green, go yellow' campaign

[jwalcik]

i was looking through the website for this ad campaign, and i noticed that they only have nine models (all '06s, all chevy of GMC branded) listed. does anyone know if there's a more definitive list of GM (or other manufacturers) vehicles that can run on E85 elsewhere? also, is it just me or do those yellow gas caps seem like a prime target for theft?

[binary]

I wish every car rolling off the line was E85 compatible.I'm tired of seeing subsidies go to farmers around here NOT to grow corn. Damn it - fire up the ethenol plants and lets start making us 85% LESS dependent on OPEC!Last I checked Ford was givng customers the option of E85 on Taurus (when they were building them) and Rangers... it was a $600 option. They'll have the badge that looks like a road with a green leaf on it.The "Flex-Fuel" package includes different fuel lines and gaskets, a sensor in the tank to detect the current ethenol mix, and an ECU programed to adjust engine parameters to use ethenol.One thing I did learn - E85 is 105 octane... w00t!E85fuel.com's list: http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php

[Kari]

I remember looking at that site a while back and discovering that my old GMC Sonoma truck was one of the vehicles that can run on this fuel. I sure wish I had known that then; I would have tried it. But the owners manual didn't even say a word about it...strange.

[ragingfish]

Here's a current list of all FFV's on the market.

Attached files E85-Vehicles.pdf (202.9 KB) 

[ToolGuy]

Interesting on how many foreign vehicles are NOT on the list...I also have to say how un publicized FFV really is... In working with DCX, I cannot say I have ever heard it mentioned. Toyota is not "moving forward" here...

[ragingfish]

I'm trying to be optomistic in believing that the recent rash of new coverage over this, compounded with the sudden push by GM in publicizing their E85-ready fleet, is a good sign that the alternative fuel race is finally on in full force, and we will find a true eco-friendly, 100% renewable, alternative fuel in the next 10 years or less!

[ColonelPanic]

Quote, originally posted by MiVibe-ToolGuy »Toyota is not "moving forward" here... Toyota is too focusing moving forward... I mean, the Prius was dying out on the highway left and right for no apparent reason, they were trying to come up with a fix for that so it can keep moving forward! (removed)! hehehe Kudos to the domestics for giving a rat's (removed) about this sort of technology. Hybrids are ok, but... A hybrid that only runs on gas won't run too long if you have no gas!

[ragingfish]

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 »Gotta love Toyota... Moving Foward..... Pontiac Vibe is still more fuel effeicent that any GM product if I remember Joatmons post correctly a few days ago.... The issue at hand is not efficient use of fuel.It's the use of fossil fuels.Eliminate or significantly reduce our dependence on non-renewable fossil fuels, and the issue is put to rest.What good is a 40mpg Corolla if there's eventually going to be no fuel to run it? Or better yet...if the fuel is available...but cost $10 a gallon???

[ColonelPanic]

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »What good is a 40mpg Corolla if there's eventually going to be no fuel to run it? Or better yet...if the fuel is available...but cost $10 a gallon???Yep. While increased fuel economy helps it technically only prolongs the misery. And while working on umpteen different hybrids is certainly all fine and dandy, but if they focus entirely on those and not on making their cars capable of using flexible fuel, they're also putting themselves in the same boat. Those Priuses and Camrys and Highlanders and Lexuses and whatever other things won't be moving forward for long solely on battery power when there is no petrol.

[scherry2]

I notice there seems to be a majority of trucks and suvs that are E85 and not alot of cars. hmmm

[Kari]

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 »By the time that happens, there will be no fossil fuels for anything.... Just remember... if we run out of oil, a lot in this world will change.... Things like plastic or rubber are pretty much products of oils.... Mac's, TiVo's, I'Pods, Dog Toys, and so much more. Might as well start watching and taking notes on the Flinstones because that is what will happen... I'd say if we can find other things to fuel cars, we can find other things to produce plastic from as well.Besides, the biggest consumer of petroleum is not making iPods, Macs, TiVos, and dog toys...I'd say it's making gasoline. Reducing dependence on fossil fuels to run our vehicles will help preserve the earth's oil supply so it can be used for a much, much longer time to produce other things that come from petroleum. The issue is that, if we continue the pace we're at and continue to speed up on our oil consumption, we are in danger of running out. Alternative fuel vehicles will slow down the pace of consumption considerably.

[tnpartsguy]

I have an E85 2002 S10; would love to put E85 fuel in it. 2 problems, there isn't any in TN or MS, the 2 places the truck is driven. They list a station in Nashville that sells E85, I called them, and they laughed at me, their E85 is only for the State of TN/Dept of AG, they can't sell it to the general public. E85 is a farce, IMHO.

[Kari]

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 »You can tell that to the engineers, construction workers, air planes, semi's, cruise ships, tractors, NASA, and I can go on... Tell them what? That reducing dependence on gasoline even just for passenger vehicles will greatly reduce our nation's fossil fuel consumption?

[Kari]

Quote, originally posted by silverawd26 »It will not happen for passenger vehicles as not everyone drives the same passenger vehicles.... How any of your parents neighbors or people in your town drive trucks or SUV's that need them or pulling trailers for contracting jobs, hauling a boat, or something else? Those vehicles are bigger than passenger vehicles... There is a lot that go into this topic and is border line political forum at this point. With India and China just now deveoping, I believe that if technologies are developments it will have to be by the United States then be implemented around the rest of the world and then once again, these countries will be behind again. E85 will just not happen for out nation... This is a global economy, if it happens here, it will have to happen everywhere.... Too many problems, everyone needs to be on board at once. Like I stated before, I wish someone else who would chime in and give a little more insight or detail on Chemistry/Engineering with this and a Geologists point of view as it would shed more light on the conversation. I totally agree that E85 would be a great thing for passenger vehicles to produce it, but that Ethanol is derived from Corn if I remember right.... And who grows the corn, farmers do... Farmer's drive tractors and will have to run purchase, maintain, and use for fuel for Combines to keep up with the demand... Then there will be a shift to agriculture.... This is a small and temporary solution, not even worth using on a larger scale unless people will take a dramatic life change (and that would be everyone). I don't think I've made any political statements here...it seems pretty straightforward that upping production of vehicles that can run on things like E85 will help reduce dependency on fossil fuels, which are a nonrenewable resource. Stuff like that doesn't depend on your political standing...it's science and common sense.And, if E85 isn't a viable alternative fuel, what is? This seems to be the only thing right now that is really available for "Average Joe" to use, even if it is in limited distribution. And, I'm curious, what is the "dramatic life change" you speak of? Even if running equipment to process and grow corn uses some kind of fuel, I'm pretty sure the equipment used to drill for and process oil also uses petroleum based fuels...the difference is that corn is a renewable resource, while oil is not. Would it not be better to consume some oil in order to grow some corn to produce fuel that can help get passenger vehicles out of the market for fossil fuels, or close to it? What we're doing right now is consuming oil to drill for oil so more oil can be consumed. Once again, that's not a political statement...just stating my reasoning behind why corn might be a logically better fuel source in the long run.SUVs and trucks that neighbors drive and that are used to haul boats and pull trailers are actually dominating the E85 flexfuel vehicles at the moment...the list linked above is pretty interesting. And I'm sure those SUV and large vehicle drivers are pretty tired of paying $50+ for a tank of gas and might like some other options.