Transmission noise (whine) above 4k rpm

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NoopyKat
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Transmission noise (whine) above 4k rpm

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I can't say if this happens in all gears (because of the exhaust noise) but in 4, 5, 6 over 4k rpm, I hear a whinning noise in the engine compartment.I had the shop foreman go for a road test with me and he heard it too. It is a constant noise in that it doesn't change pitch but it will get louder (but not overpowering). They drained the tranny fluid (noise is still there) and sent it off for analysis but have not heard back yet. Any ideas what might cause this ? The only other problem that the dealer is looking at is sometimes when making a shift, it will not go into gear the first try. There is no grinding noise but it's almost like something is blocking the movement of the shifter just before it goes into gear. But it doesn't do this always...
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Re: Transmission noise (whine) above 4k rpm (NoopyKat)

Post by Dave_ca »

This is actually weird, I am having the EXACT to the tee issues you are. The whine (I notice it in lift) and the gears not engaging randomly. The dealer could never figure out what is wrong with it, and my issue was never addressed. If you do find some awnsers let me now.
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Re: Transmission noise (Dave_ca)

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I haven't noticed whether it happens in lift but I find it is more noticeable when driving up a hill. Usually the drone from the exhuast blocks all other noises
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Post by Dave_ca »

lol I have stock exaust so its very noticible for me whie passing people on the highway in third gear (lift) Sounds similar but not exaclly like a Supercharger.
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That's exactly what the noise sounds like. I joked around with the foreman about putting a S/C in the week before. Dropped the car off today at the dealership. They said that they'll need it for a few days which is fine by me. I'll feel at home in my '03 Corolla loaner car . They don't know what's causing the noise yet but I'll let you know what they find.
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Post by Dave_ca »

Happen to hear anything back yet ?
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Nothing positive. The fluid sample came back ok so I at least know that the transmission is intact. They want to check it in antoher 3 months. Do you notice the noise only during lift ? Do you have an intake ? I use Mobil 1 in the engine and I wonder if that might be related but it does sound like the transmission. Any thing else you can think of on your side ? Maybe I can pass it on to my dealership and hopefuly they can put the info from my problem and your to figure what it is.
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Post by Dave_ca »

My car is 100% stock. I notice it only in lift, and its a very distinctive sound. The 2zzge is a loud engine, even stock, and this sound can be heard clearly over it. I notice the sound a lot more in 3rd gear lift (while im passing people) then I do in any other gear (although I dont exaclly hit lift in 4th or 5th very often, maybe a handfull of times since owning the car).My car is a 2003 Vibe GT 6 speed with around 50,000km's (around 30,000miles). I use Castrol Syntec every 10,000kms as I do 98% highway driving. O just a note, the noise is present in 1st and 2nd gear, just not as distinct.
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Post by syclnjr »

Hey me too. Funny I should find this post. But I am noticing mine, although not as severe as yours, when you are say holding the car in fourth around 4000 rpm or higher the sound. But mine only gets louder if I let off of the gas slowly, like you can hear the gears winding down, which is not right. I still think that the 2-3 syncro is screwed up in my car as when it is cold it is hard to shift into third. The dealership kept my car overnight and said that it shifted smooth as silk. This guy must not have driven my car. Oh well I have had it there about three times for this and I have records of every time. So if it craps out there are going to fix it. I am going to try changing the fluid to redline MT90 and see if that helps. Kepp us posted on what they find. LAter
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Post by syclnjr »

any updates on what you guys have found out about your whining situation. Please let me know I am curious to see what they do about it.thanks
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Post by syclnjr »

Hey all just thought that I would update you. I was out and about in town and I hit lift getting out of the way of somebody and I hear the same noise. Only happened in lift that I can tell. I am almost to the point that I think it maybe the motor. Or in our tranny's there maybe a bearing that is on its way out that you wouldn't see in the analysis. I don't know I am grasping at straws to find out as I don't really need the tranny shotgunning itself. Later and keep me posted if there are any changes to your guys situation.
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Post by marlborocowboy82 »

hmm I only hear it in mine from 4k-6k after lift it goes away I have had a couple of people ask me if it was supercharged but it's especially loud if the oil hasn't warmed up yet so I think I’m just hearing an engine noise
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Post by NoopyKat »

Just an update to everyone. The noise is still there but it's not getting any worse. It would be interetesing to know if anyone with a Celica has experienced the same problem as I understand the engine and tranny are the same. I'm going over to the other side to have a look. If I'm not back in a few hours, call for help
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Post by syclnjr »

Hey all so I have been searching for awhile and found on the celica site that they refer to the noise as being a clutch problem. They have a tsb out for them to replace the clutch due to this I think. From what I understand is that the clutch on our cars, and I maybe wrong, are made up with rubber isolators in the center instead of springs. Hence the noise. But I am going to take mine in anyway. The growling that I get when letting off of the gas to start to coast is in fifth gear now. When before all I heard it in was 2-4. Well hope this helps. If anyone has some better insight feel free to jump in.Later
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I wouldn't be surprised if that was it. My dealer replaced my defective throw out bearing and did the clutch while it was open under warranty at the 30k check. Except for the typicle worn T/O jingle noise w/clutch out, it was quiet before but got the whine after. They replaced a tranny bearing after hearing it but it did absolutely nothing. I had a hell of a time telling them that it had to be the clucth or throw out because it appeared after the initial repair. I just lived with it until the car got totalled. I still believe the noise is from one of the 2 and probably not a wear issue as I got 17k on the replacxements without it getting worse. I never had a gear change or clutch slip issue, before or after and think those are seperate issues.
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Responding to a 1 year old thread I know but- I wanted to add somethingI traded my vibe in to get an automatic car (wife hated standard ) and I have learned that the dealership actually replaced the entire clutch assembly in the car, or so I was told they had. Part of the reason was apprently because of this noise- its funny how they wouldn't do that until they had to try and sell it !
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Isn't that somethin'? Takes all kinds, doesn't it? They actually care about the problem when it becomes their problem. I'm scared to see how many of those "normal" conditions are going to become serious issues for whoever ends up with my car on their lot. I just hope they don't notice until they tell me what it is worth. LOL!
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