would it be possible to get a GM radio out of a grand prix...

[jeffgtx]

that has steering wheel audio controls and put it in a vibe?same connectors in the back to the speakers etc?would it fit in the spot?then couldnt home fasion some sort of steering wheel control set-up on the vibe wheel?was thinking that on the way home.happy easter everyone.

[Mr. Poopypants]

I'm thinking that it would be more trouble than it is worth.

[ragingfish]

Not likely. GP uses DataBus, Vibe doesn't.

[Jahntassa]

And the older GPs have a different size radio, different connections and so forth. Never mind the amount of wiring you'd have to physically rip out of the GP.If you want steering wheel controls, there're plenty of aftermarket units that you can get a steeringwheel mounted remote for. Blaupunkts for example.

[jeffgtx]

what about newer GPs? wouldn;t there be a delco equivalent to ours in the same size?not more trouble that its worth though, as long as the connectors were the same. stock look, ipod hookup thru ipod to car from PAC, and adding custom steering wheel controls.don't want to go after market.where is a good place for delco radio specs?

[GMJAP]

Quote, originally posted by jeffgtx »what about newer GPs? wouldn;t there be a delco equivalent to ours in the same size?not more trouble that its worth though, as long as the connectors were the same. stock look, ipod hookup thru ipod to car from PAC, and adding custom steering wheel controls.don't want to go after market.where is a good place for delco radio specs?You'll likely need to change out the mounting brackets from your factory radio with one from a GP, but otherwise I would think it'd be fine.What color are the GP backlights? Do you know?Don't know about specs, but here's a place that sells a bunch of Delco (Delphi) radios:http://www.mnrelectronics.com/delcdcol.html

[Jahntassa]

Nothing on that list will do what you want it to do, unfortunately..You're really looking for a lot more trouble than it's worth. You can't use newer GM radios because the Vibe doesn't have the Databus system, and I don't know if you can program the databus radios to work with a non-databus car. Rather, I don't know if the dealerships (which're the only ones that can do it) can. The connectors in the Vibe are the same as the newer Databus radios (Which have the two round knobs on the left side and RDS on it), but they don't have the same wiring. Now, as far as I know, the hole that the Vibe stereo sits in is a larger size than most Delco radios for other GM vehicles. So you'd probably have to fill in the gap around the radio.As far as the steeringwheel controls go, you'd probably have to change out the steeringwheel, or figure out how to mount other controls to it. Then you have to deal with the Airbag system, unless you want to ditch the airbags.Then you need to make sure you can get the harness from the steering controls you want to use, and run it from the controls to the radio, provided the steeringwheel controls only connect to the radio, and nowhere else in the car. Either way, the car you pull it from is going to have to get a slight hackjob to pull it out.Seriously, though. It is possible, but you're going to sacrifice time, money, and possibly the look of your vehicle to try to get it done.

[jeffgtx]

replying before i look at the list.steering wheel i do not think is the problem you make it out to be.running wires under the wheel column to a custom button is no sweat for me. i am not going to go through. but they will be well hidden.i guess i need to udnerstand databus.don;t i just need a delco radio the supports wheel controls and has the same connectors in the back? or are you suggessting that they may be the same conenctors in the back, but the pins do different things? then yea, problem.

[ragingfish]

Quote, originally posted by jeffgtx »don;t i just need a delco radio the supports wheel controls and has the same connectors in the back? or are you suggessting that they may be the same conenctors in the back, but the pins do different things? then yea, problem.It's not that simple.Pinouts change among cars.Functions of radios change among cars.And DataBus is basically an electronic communications system. If the radio needs databus to work, it won't work in the Vibe. And seriously, you ARE looking at more trouble than it's worth. I'm willing to bet you'll sink THOUSANDS into making that radio fit...And that being said, I honestly belive it will just NOT WORK.Also, I don't think the GP wheel and Vibe wheel are interchangeable...

[GMJAP]

You could always get the GP unit from somewhere with a return policy to try it out.I seriously doubt the pinouts change on the 24 and 12-pin. They are standard connectors for the Delco/Delphi units. If they do, I doubt the major signals change.Jahntassa and raging are right about the complexity of the steering controls, though. You may be able to wire it okay, but figuring out how to interface to the head unit is where the trouble is. If you think you can do it, more power to you!

[Jahntassa]

- Running the wires is not the problem. Getting the steeringwheel controls mounted is. As far as I know, it's not like they just pop off. And if they do, they won't just 'Pop on' the Vibe steeringwheel. The GP is a GM design, the Vibe is a Toyota design. You'd have to fabricate some sort of way to mount the GP controls to the Vibe steeringwheel, which will NOT look stock, I'm betting.Car audio these days is not just plug and go. Not by any means. The steeringwheel controls, most likely, are not just buttons that directly wire to the back of the radio. There's interfacing involved. Different signals, instruction sets, etc. You'd have to get the controls that work with a certain radio, because they won't work with any other radio.You'd have to find a car that has a stereo with steeringwheel controls, pull the controls, *maybe* find the interface for them, if they're not in the steeringwheel, pull the cabling between the controls and the radio, and pull the radio. Then, most likely, you might have to get creative with mounting the radio, and you'll most definitely have to get creative with wiring. Again, maybe.You have a lot of maybes that you have to deal with. Maybes in car audio cost money. Lots of money, and time. And yes, Saturn radios use the same connector as the Vibe, but different wiring. Most 2000+ GM vehicles use the same connector as the Vibe, but the car's computer controls the radio, instead of just having a switched power wire to tell the radio to turn on and off. Please understand... I'm not saying these things to say that you're wrong. For all I know? You might find just the right parts that'll work! I'm just trying to be the devils advocate, and say there's a lot stacked up against you. If you have the means to get it done, then go for it, and let us know what you did! We, by no means, are not telling you that it is impossible. Anything is. We're merely trying to say that it's by no means easy.

[jeffgtx]

i am not worried about the buttons. i dont plan to use the GP buttons. i plan on making my own to mount on the backside of the stock wheel.i guess i need to look at the back side of my stereo and the backkside of a delco with steering wheel controls.thats the first step. i still am thinking positive. anybody who has pics and can help, thanks...might be time to visit my old buds on the GP forum

[Mr. Poopypants]

I tried this with my Lumina. The only problem is, the GP radio with the theftlock requires the buttons to unlock it. If you do not have the buttons, the stereo will just be a paperweight with power going to it. At least this was the story with the GP radio I tried.

[joatmon]

in http://forums.genvibe.com/zero...24576 LT4transam said Quote »The Vibe radio even has outputs for steering wheel radio controls ( Pin A6 and A7 ) even though vibes dont even offer them . Im using a vibe head unit and amp in my 95 trans am and was able to get my factory steering wheel controls to work via those 2 pins , which I got from a 2003 Grand Am radio skematic with radio controls ....pretty cool

[ragingfish]

Right. But he wants to go the other way. The Vibe radio doesn't have the theftlock or DataBus needs, whereas the GP radio will.

[joatmon]

I thought he just wanted steering wheel controls for the radio in his Vibe. I thought he was looking at using a GP radio since it supported steering wheel controls, and that would force him to deal with theftlock and databus, not that theftlock and databus were desirable things in this case, just baggage that the steering wheel controls might require if he used a GP head unit.I've never had a car with radio controls on the steering wheel, I guess it could be handy, but I don't find having to reach all the way over to the radio to be a big problem.

[Jahntassa]

Theftlock is in older GM radios. The newer radios use the DataBus system to 'talk' to the car's computer. The radios are coded at the factory to only respond when the car's computer has the VIN number programmed into the radio. Without that communication, the radio would not operate.

[jeffgtx]

this is why fourms are so great. somewhere, out there, someone is on your wavelength.Joatman gets teh early knod for early hero of the thread... unless my radio id=s different. off to talk to that guy!yes i want to add steering wheel controls. i only wanted teh GP radio becasue it was one i knew would support it. if our does, my radio stays!thanks joatman.

[joatmon]

LT4transam hasn't posted here in about ten months, but his profile has an email address, you might be able to reach him that way.Only advice I can offer is to try to make sure it will work before you put in too much time and money, or make some irreversible mod to your car

[jeffgtx]

i already emailed him and he has already gotten back to me, so thanks for connecting us!jeffgtx mod rule #1: all mods must be reversaible.I plan to try it just by connecting to teh radio first, then going from there. i will keep you all posted, but thanks everyone for the help and brainstorming.