Nein! Prince Harry Nein!

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redlava
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144219,00.htmlI don't know maybe because I am not from Europe, or Jewish or not even close to being old enough to remember WW2, but I don't see the why people are so up-in-arms over this. I guess it is becasue he is royality and they don't expect this type of thing from a prince, but you have to remember he is 20 years old. It is a costume party for christ sake, it isn't though he wore it to a formal dinner party.
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You know - even though I'm a Veteran - I think I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and agree with you on this one. I don't quite get why people are so freaked either.We're talking about a war/regime/political party that ended a good 60 years ago, and though they did some awful things I think people are still over-reacting.But - given the world stance - I'd say it's not going away, and he's pretty much boned after getting caught.....
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Well the Nazi symbol has always been since WW2, a sign of racist groups against Jews, Africans... People see it and have nothing but bad memories. England of all places is the last country that would want anything remotely Nazi, expecially in the palace. So for patriotic englishmen and women to see their prince wearing nazi stuff? Talk about a low blow... I'm gonna say he should not wear nazi stuff.
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I couldn't have said it better, Mav. England suffered terribly at the hands of the Nazis for years and fought them bravely. It was really poor taste and an even poorer excercise of judgement for the Prince of England to do that. Perhaps since it was so long ago, Prince Harry didn't see the historical significance of it? And I thought that education on history was only really poor in America. It's not such a big deal to us, but I can clearly see why so many Brits see this as a big slap in the face. And I can't say that I blame them.
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Harry's Grandmother (da queen of england) lived though the blitz on london and the massive bombing that threatened his own ppl.do you know how many ppl in this country have no grandparents due to auschwitz, treblinka, birkenau and other camps?after the deal (and mess) this country just made of saddam and irak, which pales pathetically compared to what nazi germany inflicted on the world, your questioning the relevance of 'the big deal' smacks of blissful ignorance. harry may become a head of state, albeit figuratively. he *should* know better. collective memory is important. you may want to ask your local social security office how many ppl in your own town have lost a relative to nazi germany (and i don't mean gi's who died at the hands of the most systematic perversion of a society ever perpretated... even though their lost lives count just as much as the civilian victims).we should remember. never again still applies todaysylvain
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Yes,but 20years old boy,at costume party,give me a break.Becauss,is a royalty son he have right to pass fun time.And,what the camera whas doin there,not to suppose to be like a private costume party.
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i agree with the "big deal" crowd. would a roman soldier be offensive to anyone? perhaps a gladiator? lots of lives lost! probably more than from the holocaust. (sp?)is dressing up as jesus offensive? how about OJ simpson? no, i think oj would be hilarious to almost everyone!anyone getting my point?
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I'm going with the who cares group. Too many people try to dwell on the past. To me, it is more of a laugh at Hitler than a slap to anyone else. It is like saying, "hey, we wear what you stood for as a costume now, a joke", you know. People these days try to use the past so much to their advantage and get all defensive and offended by everything. IT IS THE PAST! LET IT GO! IT'S OVER NOW! Most of the "people" who are offended by these things are people whom didn't even get directly affected by it. People all collecting and/or trying to collect from things that happened to their ancestors many many years back, some even hundreds of years ago. Why should someone today profit from something that happened to thier ancestors? Doesn't make any sense.
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I suppose that we should all just forget that slavery happened in this nation as well??? Sweep that under the rug with everything else? That would rightfully be highly insulting to many people. There are some events that happen that are so big that they become part of a cultural heritage. What right do we have to take that away from them???Some of my ancestors suffered terribly under the communist regiemes that plagued Central Europe. Some of my family from former Czechoslovakia was split up and never saw each other again. A lucky few were able to save up enough money for a boat ticket and sneak out of the country to come here for freedom. Years back, my grandfather's sister wanted to go back to Czechoslovakia to see her relatives again. She was warned that she couldn't go back because if they were to check her records upon arrival, she'd be classified as a defector, captured, punished, and probably wouldn't be able to come back to the US ever again. Under the communists, your citizenship never expired over there and couldn't be revoked without government permission. You were treated like a captive slave. Are you telling me that me and my family should just turn a blind eye to that? You can't possibly be that ignorant.So it has no relevance to today some say? I strongly beg to differ. I still have relatives over there. They live in the countryside of Slovakia and are now very poor. The communists ruined the infrastructure and the people over there are still greatly suffering even to this day. But you won't see people like them on TV or be exposed to their plight. They are just plain 'ol white folks who don't live in an oil rich nation so you'll never know about them. But I will.Then there's the other side of my family. I'm 1/4 German also, and years ago my Grandmother tried to get info on any family that she might still have had back in Germany and was working on a family tree for all of us who are here today (she had 7 children and at her death in 1998, she had 29 grandchildren and great-grandchildren so there are a lot of us). She was able to eventually contact an archive in Berlin and get some help. They were only able to provide very limited information because the section where my family's records were got destroyed by bombing in WWII. So that is part of my heritage as well. Should I just forget about that too? There are literally thousands of people, if not millions, with stories like this. Should they all just forget who they are and where they came from too?There is an old adage that says "those who do not know history will be doomed to repeat it". I don't know about you, but I sure don't want to repeat things like slavery, communism, the holocaust, 9/11/2001, and World Wars. That is why we must NEVER forget. Only a short-sighted narcissist could say otherwise.But to be fair, I agree that this has been taken out of proportion today. People suing for reparations and so forth is absolutely absurd. There is a very big difference between selfish gold-digging and knowing your heritage and history.
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ha reperations is the most stupid concept i have ever heard! "pay me for my ancestors suffering"anyone ever seen barber shop? i love what cedric says about what would happen!
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Quote, originally posted by Stang2Vibe »I suppose. . .Studying and remembering is one thing, but trying to lay claim for something because of things that happened to your ancestors is another. I am a mut of many different ethnicities (to include many different tribes of American Indian and many European nations), but I do not think I am owed anything because of what might have happened to my ancestors. I have been treated as an American since the day I was born and have not been oppressed in any way due to my heritage, nor have MANY of the people today trying to get something out of where they came from, even though they were born and raised in the USA and have been treated just the same as any other person. A majority of the people living in the US today were in no way oppressed. Will there always be prejudism and discrimination, yes. The government will not be at fault for it, but locally it will still be something that has to be dealt with on an individual basis as people will always be entitled to an opinion, be it considered right or wrong.
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You are absolutely right. I don't feel that society owes me anything in any way for what has happened to my ancestors, either. That was half of the point that I was trying to make. The other half was that there is great importance in remembering world atrocities so that we might be reminded of what mankind is capable of so that we might be smarter and not repeat the mistakes and horrors of the past. I was getting disgusted with the seemingly cavalier attitude that some were conveying in this post and my previous reply was not aimed squarely at you. I know that it was just a costume party and all that sort of thing, but what Harry did, even though I'm sure it was unintentional, was to effectively thumb his nose at the suffering of millions and even the tradgic history of his own nation. Remember that in WWII, Germany attacked Britain without being provoked. And all the V2 rocket attacks and bombing runs Germany made on London near the end of the war were just senseless. The Germans were just relentlessly bombarding civilian targets, as the attacks had little effect on England's military. It was a despirate, last ditch effort to break the will of the British and get them to beg their government to surrender. Thankfully, it had the opposite effect. It made them stronger in their resolve to defeat this enemy and to cooperate to do it.
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