School mock elections... "Best car"

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:30 am

So our senior class has a mock election. One of the cetegories is "best car" and "worst car". You can nominate whom ever you want if they are a senior. Basically from what I've heard so far most people are going for hte cars that have tint and dubs..which pisses me off lol. I am voting for my friend Bill who has a '76 Nova, my friend John with a '69 Satellite, or my friend Paul with a '84 Hurst Olds. Alot fo people are voting for a bunch of a$$holes. One has a bone stock stang gt with tint and chrome wheels, one has a camaro z28 with ss hood and tint with a stupid Italian emblem on the back, and another has a v6 camaro that sounds like a civic witha rusty muffler has tint and blue neons...obviously you can tell the amount of car knowledge is held amoung the average person in this great school of mine (removed)...I was just wondering which one of the cars listed you all would choose...#1 Red Camaro Z28 with tint and SS hood/emblems dual exhaust with Italian badge on back (only peformance mod is dual exhaust)#2 Black Mustang GT with tint and chrome wheels(no performance mods)#3 White Camaro v6 with tint and dual exhaust that suonds like rusty civic and blue underbody kit (no performance mods other than exhaust)#4 Dark forest green 1969 Satellite with 440 (Hoosier tires, Kregar wheel, 440, Edelbrock heads and carburator, performance cams, open header conversion)#5 Dark green '76 Nova with a 302 and gunmetal rally wheels with flowmaster exhaust#6 1984 Hurst Olds with 350 custom side pipes, and holly 4-barrel

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:41 am

hey man, those cameros come with dual exhaust! did he add it? if not, he has no performance mods.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:58 am

He didn't add it, his dad did...he's the type of kid that has his parents get hima "cool" car. Theres another kid with a '95 eclipse...doesnt looks too bad actualy, but he bought hte car as is with the springs, wheels, CAI, and exhaust. He didn't do any of the mods himself so it doesn't really count since he can't take credit for doing the installs.

nismo · Post by **nismo** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:43 am

Those kinds of people won't know what's wrong with it when something happens to the car. I will vote for the Nova!Inder

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:38 am

I'd pick the Camaro with the "stupid Italian emblem" I don't think you would like it if someone said " yeah with the stupid AMERICAN emblem" eh bro?

nismo · Post by **nismo** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:11 am

I think he means that, why would you have an italian sticker on the car if the car isn't italian. But I nothin against doing that. I would sport around the Indian flag, maybe not in my Vibe though. I try to make it looks somewhat clean.Inder

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:35 am

ArcsVibe · Post by **ArcsVibe** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:45 am

I was just joking bro

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:57 am

I vote for #4 also. I'm no Mopar guy, but I can still appreciate a 440 big block! Now a 440 with the Six Pack would really rock! I'd like to see them race! Would show all the kids in your school what some old American iron can do to those little wannabe rice carts!

redlava · Post by **redlava** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:20 am

Satellite hands down.

nismo · Post by **nismo** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:22 pm

my bad. kinda blind ya know, wearin glasses and such Inder

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:08 pm

Yeah, I shouldn't have put the "stupid italian emblem" comment without further explaining my meaning (removed), sorry baout that! Yeah Inder's right, I like Italians and I have alot of REAL Italian friends that actually came from Italy...in my school the Italians that were born in the US seem to be really really cocky and I cant stand that, nor do I understand why...you don't see me rollin with a giant Scottish flag draped over my Pontiac You can take prid ein your heritage but you can also do it without coming off as an a-hole. Again, that is directed to the kids at my school lol!Also there is another runner up, this friend of mine doesnt go to the school anymore but I think I'm gunna vote for his since he comes to autoshop every now and then.#7 sky blue '73 Nova swapped the 350 for 454 with custom open header pipes, yellow traction bars, american weld racing wheels and cheater slicks, monster cowl hood, Holly four-barrel, flowmaster headers, exhaust, Hurst short shifter, corbeau buckets, autometer gauges, whole bunch of otehr goodies (he has never lost a race. He raced a '95 supra twin turbo on Gratiot in August while I was in the car with him and man he ate that bowl of rice for dinner)We ar esuposed to vote for a guy and girl with best car. This one chick has a primed '71 Nova with a 350...i dunno who she is, she's new to the school but man I wanna meet her just because she has excelent choice in cars...car chicks are a rare find these days unfortunately So since I can't vote for her since i dont know her name theres a couple girls with Vibes in my school that I can chose from! One has a '05 fusion mono-tone, one has a '05neptune mono-tone (Never washes it), one has a 04 white two-tone, and another has a 04 lava two-tone.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:12 pm

Anyways, there are two types of kids in te school, those that know cars and those that dont. obviously you can tell who does and who doesnt from the list of nominees. I'll inform you all of the results the school comes up with when they are in next week...in the mean time keep voting and we will seewho you all think should win!

nismo · Post by **nismo** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:18 am

I changeed mine to #7. hehe : ) .Inder

futseal04 · Post by **futseal04** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:17 am

I would have to go with the Satellite as #1. Drop a Hemi in there and you have a car strikingly similiar to the famed Silver Bullet. The Hurst is cool, but I thought they only came with the 307. The lightning rod transmission rocks, but is expensive to rebuild. And the Nova is always a great car.Tell your buddies with the classic muscle to keep the faith. Classic cars should always be an enthusiasts choice.

DarkCancerian · Post by **DarkCancerian** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:26 am

I would vote the Nova, #4.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:33 pm

Yeah, as far as the Hurst with 350, he dropped a 350 into it himself.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:04 am

Ballots are in...Female Nominees:- Danielle - White Hummer H2 with offroad lights- Jessica - Grey Chrysler Crossfire- Andrea - Black Blazer Xtreme with air bags, system, and tintMale Nominees:- Tommy - Greyish stock v6 stang with horse vinyl on side- Dan - Black Mustang GT with tint, stock Mustang chrome wheels, and exhaust (put on by bodyshop, paid for by daddy)- Evan - 1995 Eclipse with tint, wheels, CAI, and exhaust. (All of the mods were included and installed on the car when his dad drove down) to Louisiana to buy it for Even after he totaled his first Eclipse.I voted for Danielle in the H2 because she is gorgeous and a good friend. As for the guys, I didn't vote for anyone because they all disgust me. There are so many other cars in this school worthy of winning. So many other kids in this school have built their cars up with their own personal money, sweat, blood, and tears so i just think they deserve it instead. Although I think if i had to vote I'd vote for tommy just because he's a nice person. The other two are cocky d*ckheads.

damronjr · Post by **damronjr** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:10 am

That is riduculous that kids in your high school are driving H2's, Crossfires, or anything of the sort. I had my parents 92 Ford Aerostar minivan (this was in 96!) and sold it to buy a 62 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. Old cars are the best. Those kids whose parents obviously have too much money who give their kids a car(especially those with the ridiculously expensive cars) they could probably never afford in their lifetimes is BS and shouldn't even qualify. You can tell who puts in the love and work and who gets everything handed to them. Also, most of those kids probably don't even pay the insurance on those cars, as those payments would most likely be more than we pay for our car payments!

nismo · Post by **nismo** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:18 am

Yeah. I pay for maintainence on mine. Pop won't let me get a job. I want one, but o well. School first.Inder

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:45 am

Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â»That is riduculous that kids in your high school are driving H2's, Crossfires, or anything of the sort. I had my parents 92 Ford Aerostar minivan (this was in 96!) and sold it to buy a 62 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. Old cars are the best. Those kids whose parents obviously have too much money who give their kids a car(especially those with the ridiculously expensive cars) they could probably never afford in their lifetimes is BS and shouldn't even qualify. You can tell who puts in the love and work and who gets everything handed to them. Also, most of those kids probably don't even pay the insurance on those cars, as those payments would most likely be more than we pay for our car payments!I was going to type a scathing opinion about rich spoiled kids, but you summed it up for me! I can't believe it though...an H2??? Crossfire??? (removed) are parents doing these days to teach their kids about humility, hard work, and earning your keep?????My parents could have bought me a car in high school, but I bussed it instead...that made me appreciate my FIRST car, bought with my own money (and credit haha!) much more than I ever would have thought. >

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:19 am

like i said before, at my high school (grad. 2000) i had a 95 blue-green cavy and it was one of the nicest cars on the lot! i would probably hate the kids at your school, merz. not because of jealousy, but because i hate snobby brats.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:36 pm

Man you gus would wet yourselves if you came to my stuckup school. It's rediculous all these selfish kids we have here. Now, my mom did buy my car but I give her 3/4 of my check each week and she wouldn't let me buy a used car so I didn't have a choice...I am differnet though I did my own mods I bought my own car parts, I pay for gas and maintenance. You all know I love cars more than anything in teh world...If you like cars you would love my friend's cars. '87 Hurst Olds, '71 454 Nova, '73 Nova, '87 455 Grand Prix, this one girl has a primered '71 Nova, '69 Satellite with 454, '91 MR2 with custom built dual exhaust...all these gorgeous cars modified entierly by the owners and paid for by the owners...I just hate it...This one whigger had a 2002 Monte Carlo SS with 22's bought by his dad...he sold that and his dad got him a 2004 Escalade EXT. He then bought him a 27" flip down moniter and 24" White/chrome spinners that cost $18,000!!!!!!!!! YES EIGHTEEN THOUSAND!!!! He lives down the street from my ex. My friends and i were thinking about stealing them and sellin em. He got his (removed) beat alot for trying to be a cocky rich (female dog) so he moved to another school and now he's got his own little posse of d*ckheads. One day he rode down the street of a classic car show downtown waving stacks of money out the windows...Thing that gets me is taht his dad's got a gorgeous 350z, why would he want a cadilac piece of trash? If i had that kinda money I'd buy a '65 Barcuda and had a blower and build a monsterous engine for like 1/10 of the cost and atleast then I wouldn't be a p*ssy that drives a rappers ghetto dream...

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:52 am

ROFL! Merz, you're cracking me up!

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:03 am

Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â»That is riduculous that kids in your high school are driving H2's, Crossfires, or anything of the sort.Hell yeah it is! Those 3 girls alone are driving about $200,000 worth of car!Quote, originally posted by damronjr Â»I had my parents 92 Ford Aerostar minivan (this was in 96!) and sold it to buy a 62 Cadillac Sedan DeVille.I can't feel too sorry for you. I had to drive my mom's 1985 Pontiac 6000 (in 1996) to school that stalled out every time you stopped at a red light or stop sign because it had a cracked intake manifold. Wouldn't go over 25 MPH up hills, either. She commendeered my 1989 Pontiac 6000 STE (much better fuel injected 3.1 motor) that I had to pay for with my own money and pay all of my own insurance. She took it because she had some distance to travel because she lost her job and had to go back and finish college. I wasn't happy about it, but I understood.Now my sister, on the other hand, who has always had just about everything handed to her, gets to drive a nice loaded 2003 Corolla S that I spent my time (like an idiot) helping her swing a great deal on. She's already wrecked it 3 times. Two of them were really really stupid things and the third (if she's telling the truth about it) wasn't her fault because she got hit in a hit-and-run. The worst part is that she is going to graduate Pharmacy school this summer and will be marrying her long time boyfriend (also already a Pharmacist) and will probably go out and buy a brand new Hummer or something like that and smash the hell out of that too (or anything that she comes in contact with).Then here's me who will probably be stuck with driving my Vibe for the next 10 years. I guess it's true that no good deed goes unpunished.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:41 pm

LOL, Pontiac 6000s are pieces of trash. My sister had a puke green one...man this thing was a piece lol. Although it fits er because she's teh type of girl that doesn't care about cares so im glad she ddn't get a nice car.

ToolGuy · Post by **ToolGuy** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:36 am

Who does not have a Camaro or Firebird in this area? Right! So tired of seeing them and the nationality stickers on them too, like it is bad (removed) with those on! Joke!!Some of you friends have old school cars and that is cool!! Others like when I was in High School are driving mommy and daddy paid for or leased vehicles! When I was in HS I parked with Porsches, Audis, 1965 Mustangs, IROCs, Mercedes and others... Most of those A-holes flunked out of college since they could not even wipe their asses without mommy and daddies help.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:02 am

(removed). Oh well...only a few more months to deal with these a-holes and I'll be outa this school. The best way to shut these kids up would be a good old fashioned drag race. Of course I would probably lose at this point, although I did race the kid in the Eclipse and stayed even with him at a 30mph start before i had the exhaust.The chick in the Xtreme with the bags I gues was talking trash about my Vibe before. Don't ask me why, her and I have known eachother since 2nd grade so I don't get it.

SGT · Post by **SGT** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:59 am

I'm sorry, but do I sense a little class envy here? I mean come on, condemning EVERYONE who came from a wealthy upbringing and may have gotten a car from their folks. Not everyone who grew up in a family with some money is a rich b*tch or an arrogant snob. I will say that some are, but to slam everyone is just wrong IMHO. I had cars when I was in High School that my Father purchased, but I never thought I was hot stuff or better than anyone else. In fact my first three cars I had including my new '82 Z28 were purchased by my dad. I, however, appreciated what I had and knew my Dad worked hard to make the kind of money he did that allowed us to live a more comfortable lifestyle. I, personally, never looked down on anyone who had to work for what they had or conversely anyone who got a car from their folks. Now, maybe these people you are all referring to are flat out arrogant snobs who flash everything they have and rub it in. These kind of people are creeps. But don't think that everyone who came from families with money is like that. Some of us are actually nice people who did finish school and get a job and rely on their own incomes.

nismo · Post by **nismo** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:05 am

Okay, he was only talking about his school anyways. I know how it is when people around you have better things and they rub it in your face.Inder

futseal04 · Post by **futseal04** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:19 am

Quote, originally posted by SGT Â»I'm sorry, but do I sense a little class envy here? I mean come on, condemning EVERYONE who came from a wealthy upbringing and may have gotten a car from their folks. Not class envy. I just don't care, but think it is appalling that 16 year old kids get 30K cars.When my boy gets to driving age, I will buy him a car. The catch is that I will match him in what he puts up. However, no fart cannons are allowed (I have ultimate veto power). If he gets something really cool (like an old Camaro, etc), then I might even pitch in something more, just do we can work on it ourselves.It all boils down to making kids appreciate what they get. I know there are a rare few out there that do, but the majority do not. And, it stands to reason that if someone won't go out with you because of what you drive, then they aren't worth having around anyway.......Plus, an old car teaches you mechanics. How many of these kids know how to change their oil, let alone brakes, heads and points (for those of you who know how to set points)? Lastly......is it just me, or is three-on-a-tree just the coolest thing around? I am keeping my eye out for a 69 or so C10 with a 396 and a 3OAT.

SGT · Post by **SGT** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:03 am

Quote, originally posted by TRD4reel Â»Okay, he was only talking about his school anyways. I know how it is when people around you have better things and they rub it in your face.InderI can agree with that in principle. My point was really just that not everyone who was lucky enough to have rather wealthy parents is like that. That was all I meant.

ToolGuy · Post by **ToolGuy** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:09 am

Quote, originally posted by futseal04 Â»When my boy gets to driving age, I will buy him a car. The catch is that I will match him in what he puts up. However, no fart cannons are allowed (I have ultimate veto power). If he gets something really cool (like an old Camaro, etc), then I might even pitch in something more, just do we can work on it ourselves.It all boils down to making kids appreciate what they get. I know there are a rare few out there that do, but the majority do not. And, it stands to reason that if someone won't go out with you because of what you drive, then they aren't worth having around anyway.......My thoughts exactly!! I had "a car" I got from my parents, drove it for 11 years, got me through college and kept it mint because trashing or crashing it would be an insult to my parents (this is what I believed). In the end my parents gave me the title to do what ever I wanted with it. Let me explain my view too... It is easy for me to agree and see what Merz is talking about since I live in the same state and close to him.

SGT · Post by **SGT** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:10 am

Quote, originally posted by futseal04 Â»Not class envy. I just don't care, but think it is appalling that 16 year old kids get 30K cars. .When my boy gets to driving age, I will buy him a car. The catch is that I will match him in what he puts up. However, no fart cannons are allowed (I have ultimate veto power). If he gets something really cool (like an old Camaro, etc), then I might even pitch in something more, just do we can work on it ourselves.It all boils down to making kids appreciate what they get. I know there are a rare few out there that do, but the majority do not. And, it stands to reason that if someone won't go out with you because of what you drive, then they aren't worth having around anyway.......Plus, an old car teaches you mechanics. How many of these kids know how to change their oil, let alone brakes, heads and points (for those of you who know how to set points)? Lastly......is it just me, or is three-on-a-tree just the coolest thing around? I am keeping my eye out for a 69 or so C10 with a 396 and a 3OAT.I personally agree that a kids first car shouldn't be a 30,000+ luxury car but that's me. I don't condemn people who have more money than they can probably spend wanting to give their kids nice things, as long as the things are appreciated. That was the point I was trying to make though, not every 'rich kid' with a 30K car a spoiled brat who has no respect or appreciation for anything. I guess that is what made me comment.

russ257 · Post by **russ257** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:11 am

when i graduated in 2000 the winners in my class were a 96 purple mustang for the girls and a 2000 white mustang for the guys ( i think it was a 2000 maybe a 2001 whichever was the first year for the newer body style) whats a shame is we voted in like dec. A guy I was friends with built a 69 camaro with a 5" cowel and painted it yellow with black stripes he would have won if we had revoted. he also had a truck that was like a 50's ford body on an 80's frame so he could have 4wd it was the same color yellow and had a cherry bed.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:23 am

Most people had older cars when I was in school...I myself had an 89 Bonneville. It was coincidental I got it, the car happened to have been stolen off the dealer's lot when it was sitting outside overnight having been serviced. They searched high and low for it, never found it. My parents finally broke down and bought themselves a 98 GA...a week later, the police called. They'd found the car. It had been abandoned at the receiving dock of the supermarket across the street. Odometer readings showed it had gone less than a mile. Got it fixed back up, courtesy of the dealer, of course, and it became mine. I took better care of it than they ever did...did I mod it? Well, I put a new tape deck in because the old one didn't work right. And a garbage can. And um, oh yeah, that was it. NEVER went under the hood except to check my oil and add washer fluid. Was afraid of all that stuff. But I took care of her. Tranny finally went out around 185000 miles, and it was not cost effective to replace it (though sometimes I wish I did). My parents bought themselves an 01 GP and gave me their old 98 GA. Again, I took better care of it than they did...Anyway, back on topic, here were the classiest car winners for my graduating year: Can't remember what the girl was driving...integra maybe? I'm sure some of the import buffs here can I indentify it...keeping in mind this was in 1999...

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russ257 · Post by **russ257** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:38 am

that is a pimp wagon

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:05 am

Hmmm...if and when I have a kid I will buy them a piece of trash car and give them a few bucks to buy parts for it. If they spend the money on important things like restoration or performance than I will sell it and buy them something nice and powerful like some kind of musle car or import tuner type thing. If they waste the money on spinnaz or 13 different tv moniters than they're not gettin anything else outa me.The problem with our school is that the gear heads are fading away and the "rap/thug" lifestyle is pulling people towards the oversized wheels and rediculous audiosystems instead of engines and power. They'd rather spend $3000 on wheels and air bags than on a supercharger and exhaust. I don't like it. With that in mind, when it comes down to voting for the best car, they choose the Escalades over the Novas.

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:07 pm

Quote, originally posted by russ257 Â»when i graduated in 2000 the winners in my class were a 96 purple mustang for the girls and a 2000 white mustang for the guys ( i think it was a 2000 maybe a 2001 whichever was the first year for the newer body style)1999 was the first year of that bodystyle (ran from 1999-2004)

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:08 pm

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish Â»Can't remember what the girl was driving...integra maybe?Yep. That's an Acura Integra.

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:30 pm

Quote, originally posted by Merzbow Â»The problem with our school is that the gear heads are fading away and the "rap/thug" lifestyle is pulling people towards the oversized wheels and rediculous audiosystems instead of engines and power. They'd rather spend $3000 on wheels and air bags than on a supercharger and exhaust. I don't like it. With that in mind, when it comes down to voting for the best car, they choose the Escalades over the Novas.I can't say that this is so much the fault of the kids themselves, but you're probably seeing more of the byproducts of what they are being fed by the media that they are glued to. But there are also probably several other factors to figure in. Look at what happens when you get caught speeding now. When we were cleaning out my grandparent's house a few years ago, I found the documentation from a speeding violation that my dad got his senior year in high school (1957). He had to pay a fine and go take a 1 hr class at his school on safe driving. Now today if you are caught speeding, it is like you are singlehandedly dragging down all of human society. Not to mention that the police will look for you and pull you over just to harass you. And think about the mentality of most of these kids. Would you really want them behind the wheel of a 400 HP muscle machine? I'm content with letting them think that their ride is pimp just because they have LCD screens in the backs of the headrests of their Toyota Echo.And don't forget that to buy, fix up (correctly), build up, and maintain a popular classic car usually costs more than that $30,000 luxury "first car" that the spoiled little brats are driving. Not to mention all the work that must be put into it, the place to do the work (the basement or garage can get really messy and cluttered with sloppy parts all over the place and a car all torn apart), the tools that you have to buy, and so on. Most people who restore/maintain classics do so because they really LOVE it, not so much to show off. That is an absurd amount of effort to go through just for the sake of showing off. You'll notice that the folks with the classics that are obnoxious show-offs are usually the ones that have hardly laid a hand on the car exept to drive it. They bought the car into the condition that it's in, they don't have a personal passion for the car, or the love of the hobby like the true enthusiast. For the show-off, the car isn't born out of the love they have for it, but rather the car is just a shallow reflection of the love they have of themselves and nothing else.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:51 am

Yeah I gues so, but if I restored a car, I would be doing everything in it. Hell, just in the Vibe I usually have the radio down just so I can hear the exhaust and and CAI and ITS ONLY A VIBE!

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:33 am

you are right stang. the rich kids are raised by the tv and mom and dad express love with money instead of time well spent. the hip hop image is extremely dominant in most aspects of all media. going by "monkey see, monkey do", this is what creates the rich "wigger" kids that have never even stepped foot into real urban culture.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:11 am

Quote, originally posted by Merzbow Â»The problem with our school is that the gear heads are fading away and the "rap/thug" lifestyle is pulling people towards the oversized wheels and rediculous audiosystems instead of engines and power. They'd rather spend $3000 on wheels and air bags than on a supercharger and exhaust. I don't like it. With that in mind, when it comes down to voting for the best car, they choose the Escalades over the Novas.Not EVERYONE cares about performance!I myself used to be all about horsepower. But frankly, negating the fact I got pulled over way too many times, let's be realistic. There's no need for excessive horsepower on the highway. Would it be fun to have a quickie race with, say, a Focus and kick their (removed)? Absolutely. But it's not worth spending thousands on headers, exhaust, and forced induction to me. Besides, sitting in a parking lot, few, if any, can tell what performance mods are done.I personally have shifted to apperaance modifications. I want to create a car that LOOKS different than others on the road. From HID llighting to (eventually) wheels and some underbody lighting perhaps, I want a "show" car. Something that's eye candy...Just because people don't care about performance shouldn't make them any less of an enthusiast, and CERTAINLY shouldn't deem us "thugs."

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:28 am

i agree fishy. not only because there are pretty much no more performance mods for my awd, but because, in reality, how fast can i make it anyway? for much less money, there is a buttload of stuff you can do to your car to approve appearance! noone ever says "wow, your CAI looks awesome!" but, i get "nice rims" "cool blackouts" crap like that all the time, because you can see it.if i could afford some phat (removed) car with 24" spinners, i probably would have exactly that.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:01 am

I don't modify my car with the mindset to impress others...Yeah I love to impress but I love to impress my self over anyone else when it comes to cars. When I try to attract people to my car I try to attract people like myself. To me, getting a compliment about my exhaust sound from a gear head means alot more then getting a compliment about my grills or neons from some guy that doesn't even know how to spell CAI, let alone know what it's used for. It's like showing your car to your grandparents. They like it but they don't know how much work went into it or what the signifigance of it is so they don't REALLY care...you see what I'm sayin? This is my opinion. My friends got a navigator with three 12's. I don't consider him a gangsta even though he listens to rap and has a "pimped out" suv.i don't deam non-performance gurus thugs. The people I consider "thugs" or "ganstaz" are the ones that dress like rappers, roll around with $40,000 systems that rattle your eyeballs from 4 miles away, SUVs slammed within 1inch of the concrete, and SUVs that have wheels so big and tires so thin that when you take it in a mud pit they are like eggbeaters churning the mud.

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:52 am

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish Â»Just because people don't care about performance shouldn't make them any less of an enthusiast, and CERTAINLY shouldn't deem us "thugs."Oh come on Mike, we all know that you're really a closet thug! lol.I can see both sides to the issue. Some cars just don't have much of a performance aftermarket or for whatever the reason aren't easy to modify. Also, for some cars, blistering perfomance still won't change the image of the car overall. For example, a Yugo that can pull off a 10 second quarter mile may be quite fast, but it's still a Yugo. Some cars just aren't worth the major hassle and expense of performance modifications.On the other hand, some people take cars that have a great performance potential and just ghetto them up with whatever the current fad in appearance mods happens to be. Or they take a nice car that already performs well and turn it into a gawdy ghetto cruiser. I think I'd actually cry if I saw a 1970 Chevelle SS LS-6 dropped to within 1/2 inch of the ground with 22" chrome wheels with spinners, a hacked up suspension to fit the wheels, hydraulics, the back seat area all chopped up to fit some mega sound system and a 20" LCD screen that drops down from the headliner, with the muffler falling off and a rusted out body. That's just sacrelige! There are just some things that are completely unnatural, and that is one of them. Just like the 10 second Yugo. There will always be the oddball who does something like this, so really what can you do? Nothing, really, but so what. It's their car and they can light it on fire and push it off a cliff if they want so I guess to each his own. But I think people get disgusted when gawdy trashing of vehicles becomes mainstream. Look how hard it is to get an early to mid 70's Impala to restore/customize at a reasonable price without it having been turned at one time into a gangstamobile of some sort. Forget it. Once these cars started turning up right and left in gansta rap videos, many of the good ones got trashed. Then once the fad passes, these cars aren't "cool" anymore and they get scrapped. But this isn't a broad blanket statement either because there are some rappers, sports stars, etc. who really do love the cars, care for them well, and keep them for a long time. It's usually the bandwagoning wannabe's that trash the good cars and then abandon them once the fad passes.I have a high admiration for classic muscle cars that are well restored, performance enhanced, and have added styling cues that complement the added performance as long as it is tastefully done. I can also really appreciate a well done "sleeper" car. There's just something I like about the sneak attack. A car designed to look like a rather run-of-the-mill base model car that is generally regarded as a dog, but has a highly tuned engine/drivetrain and upgraded suspension that doesn't look like anything special, but will absolutely blow the doors off the "fast and the furious" ricers any day. Yeah, I really like that kind of car too. So as usual, there are two legitimate sides to the issue.

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:52 am

You pretty much sucked the words from my brain lol. I saw a Steve Erckl(sp?) car at the downtown shows during the summer. It has a rear engine like an old Bug int eh back. They replaced it with a 4 cylinder and it was supercharger with NITROUS INJECTION! I could not beleive my eyes. I would take that piece of sh*t looking erckle car anyday over a Navigator with 76inch rims a 23 foot drop kit and air ride suspension.LOL I did a report on this topic in speech class..."My Opinion on Cars", it was called lol. I read it in front of the class and expressed my STRONG opinions about escaldes and spinners and the like. The class was laughin at how pissed I was getting when I was talking about it Just thinking about that Chris kid I was tellin you about in the Escalade makes me want to throw up.

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:18 am

lol. The Erkel-mobile was some 3-wheeled BMW, wasn't it?

futseal04 · Post by **futseal04** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:32 am

Quote, originally posted by Merzbow Â»You pretty much sucked the words from my brain lol. I saw a Steve Erckl(sp?) car at the downtown shows during the summer. It has a rear engine like an old Bug int eh back. They replaced it with a 4 cylinder and it was supercharger with NITROUS INJECTION! I could not beleive my eyes.There was a gearhead where i grew up that dropped a 454 in the back of a bug. The springs were about an inch thick to keep the (removed) from dragging.I have also seen Northstar V8s dropped into Fiero's. Never drove one, but I would like to.......