OEM NAV system

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:12 pm

I am new here, I am looking over ebay, only can find GM units for trucks.Does anyone know which one(part#) I need for a 2003 vibe? I don't have an amp, just the 6 speakers.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:14 pm

You can't have 6 speakers without the amp.The nav system is more than the parts you see too...need the antenna and all...

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:24 pm

I mean 4 speakers and 2 front tweeters

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:25 pm

That's 6 speakers.Hence you have the amp. Check under the passenger seat.Can't have one without the other.

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:31 pm

for real, dam thats news to me.But is there a way to add a oem nav system?If yes, what parts do I need?

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:40 pm

Quote, originally posted by bluevibes Â»for real, dam thats news to me.LOL!! Yup, you have to have the amp to drive the 6 speaker system.Quote Â»But is there a way to add a oem nav system?If yes, what parts do I need?I'm not sure eveyr part needed, but I know the main unit and antenna are a minimum...probably need other stuff though, I know the speedo gets tied in somehow...at least I think it does...Jahntassa? Paging Dr. Jahntassa, electronics expert?

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:29 pm

Do you have a moonroof? If you do, you have the M&T system. I don't think that's a big deal. The NAV monitor should work with that.At the minimum, you need the NAV unit itself, and there's an antenna (with about a 2 ft long cord) that gets installed in the dash, under the windshield. Now, the problem with adding the OEM Vibe nav system to a car that doesn't have it, is that you don't have all the wiring it really requires. The NAV has a 6 disc changer that goes where your factory amplifier is under the passenger seat, and pulling out the wiring for that would be a hack job, at best. Without the changer, you can't listen to CDs while using the NAV system, as the NAV needs the navigation DVD in the internal drive in order to work. You can use the internal drive as the CD player, but, no navigation at the same time.Also, the NAV system should have a wire that contains the speedo, and a wire that has the reverse light signal. The M&T wiring harnesses don't have that, so your system will be a bit crippled. It uses those wires to let the system figure out where it is using "dead reckoning", so it can track where you are when it's not getting a good satellite signal.There have been reports with people getting the NAV running without all this (with only the unit and antenna), so it is possible. I'd suggest seeing if you can't find a cheap Pioneer AVIC-N1 somewhere, or some other installed GPS system until you can find the 2003/04 Vibe NAV on ebay. I'd sell mine, but I've nowhere near the money to afford what I'd need to replace it..

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:13 am

First of all thanks to everyone. I do have a moonroof. So I guess its a M&T package.I don't really need a cd changer, I can always use a FM modulator for cd and xm. The main question I have, Is all GM unit the same or I have to get a Vibe NAV unit?can you provide the part#?Thanks.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:41 am

No, you can't get just any GM unit. The Vibe uses a different communications system...Databus II or something...or maybe it doesn't use that...anywya, a Vibe/Matrix unit is the only kind that will work in the OEM department...you can make any aftermarket system work with the Vibe with some work...Part Numbers:88972143 - Display/Radio, Navigation ($2650)88972459 - Disc, Data ($250)88971503 - Bracket, Display/Radio, R ($10)88971504 - Bracket, Display/Radio, L ($10)88971502 - Antenna, Navigation ($528)Still sure you wanna do that conversion? $3000 for OEM is nuts. Go aftermarket for less!

esjones · Post by **esjones** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:51 am

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish Â»That's 6 speakers.Hence you have the amp. Check under the passenger seat.Can't have one without the other.Mike - I have the OEM Nav system. I have 6 speakers (four door speakers and two tweeters in the front doors in the pillar). I do not have an external amp. The 6-disc CD changer is under the passenger seat.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:54 am

Quote, originally posted by esjones Â»Mike - I have the OEM Nav system. I have 6 speakers (four door speakers and two tweeters in the front doors in the pillar). I do not have an external amp. The 6-disc CD changer is under the passenger seat.Yeah, that makes sense...I recall hearing the nav has some sorta amp built in or something...But he didn't have the nav system, and I know w/o nav, you can only get 6 speakers with the amp...

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:32 am

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish Â»Part Numbers:88972143 - Display/Radio, Navigation ($2650)88972459 - Disc, Data ($250)88971503 - Bracket, Display/Radio, R ($10)88971504 - Bracket, Display/Radio, L ($10)88971502 - Antenna, Navigation ($528)Mike,I search many websites, I can't find that part# for the unit, or they don't sell. I found all other parts except for the unit. Is that number right off your unit?Thanks again

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:33 am

These are the part numbers from an 03 part listing...It's likely GM has changed the numbers since 03...That's the best I can do for you unfortunately...

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:24 am

I just went out to look at the car, there is no amp under the driver seat, only the 110v conventor. I am 100% sure there is no amp.I also took off the radio, saw the mounting points for the gps antenna, doesn't look like a hard install. The only thing now is to find someone who is willing to sell me the nav unit.

GMJAP · Post by **GMJAP** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:42 am

Well, if you don't have a stock head unit, could be the amp left with the original head unit. I'm guessing you bought used?I've got the '05 service manual, I'll try to check the wiring diagrams for the nav system tonight. The single and 6CD head units don't connect to the car databus on any year, so it's a good possibility the Nav system doesn't either.PS - The Totyota part # for the nav unit is 86120-01200. You could look under that as well. I'm sure you could at least get it from a dealer if not a parts shop (though for $$$$)

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:52 am

I think 03 models doesn't have the 7 speakers amp system, maybe 04+ has this option.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:58 am

Quote, originally posted by bluevibes Â»I just went out to look at the car, there is no amp under the driver seat, only the 110v conventor. Yes, you're right.The amp is under the PASSENGER seat.Also, the antenna does not go directly behind the unit. It goes on the firewall, well behind the dash. It's not visible without removing the dash.

GMJAP · Post by **GMJAP** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:13 pm

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish Â»The amp is under the PASSENGER seat.Glad at least you're paying attention, raging. I checked in the service manual- the nav system does have the cd changer control signal (databus) on the 24-pin, whereas the other radios do not. So raging may be right about the databus issue. ? Also, it has another connector with inputs for backup signal and speed signal. Seems like it may be more trouble than it's worth to try using a non vibe-matrix unit as he noted.

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:28 pm

I checked the service manual too, but I didn't see any amp connection on the 04 model. Under the passenger seat is the cd-changer, and it does have some databus connection.http://manual.shulsmann.com/

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:30 pm

Did you buy this used?Cause the changer only comes with the nav system...sounds like someone removed the nav system...

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:57 pm

Holy crap..does nobody listen to me?If you have a changer under the passenger seat that says "Pioneer" on the back, and you have two harnesses behind the radio, a gray, and a black with a blue push release, and the black connector has more than 1 wire coming out of it, you had at one point, the NAV system.Also, if you see a gray wire that's about 3 mm thick with a rectangular connector on it, that's the GPS antenna.Base radio: 4 speakersM&T radio: 6 speakers individually amplifiedNAV system: 6 speakers, tweeters run off the door speakers inside the door.The Vibe (at least 03 and 04) does not use the Databus II system, which means most GM navigation systems are useless. You can't pull the NAV from any other similar year GM vehicle and expect it to work..I think. There have been reports of DataBus radios working in Non-databus cars...just..not the other way around.Also, please tell me the GPS antenna (a $50 part) is $528. It's a fairly standard GPS antenna that can be used with almost any other GPS system...And in the 03, the changer ran exclusively through the 12 pin black plug.Kinda in random order, I shuttled through the rest of the posts..

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:50 pm

Pioneer made the Nav changer?I didn't realize that...how cool.

jdub · Post by **jdub** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:11 pm

which i guess means there is no amp associated with the nav system?

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:42 pm

I am kind of comfused, I have a moonroof, but nothing under the passenger seat, have 4 speakers and 2 tweeters, 6 discs indash head unit. I am so sure there is no amp in the car. Basically, I can just pop out the HU, and replace with a Vibe navi, and connect 2 wires on the 12 pin connector(in back of the navi) for speedo, and reverse.

ragingfish · Post by **ragingfish** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:56 am

You still haven't answered our question. Is this a new or used car?

esjones · Post by **esjones** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:27 am

Quote, originally posted by jdub Â»which i guess means there is no amp associated with the nav system?No EXTERNAL amp..... that is true.

jdub · Post by **jdub** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:47 am

Quote, originally posted by esjones Â» No EXTERNAL amp..... that is true.So does this HU push more power to the speakers than the standard HU?

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:21 am

The NAV puts out less, actually. The tweeters for the NAV system are just like the tweeters you can get at Wal-mart. They just piggyback on the front door speakers, and the radio doesn't even "see" them there. Whereas the tweeters on the M&T system are actual 4 Ohm speakers, and are seperately powered.And yes, is your car new, or used? And also, is it the factory moonroof? It could've been added aftermarket. Connecting the speed and reverse wires are a bit tricky. You'll have to buy a new 12 pin plug direct from GM with some wires on it, and then find out where to get the appropriate signals.

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:14 pm

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish Â»You still haven't answered our question. Is this a new or used car?new car, got it 4/2003factory moonroof2zz-ge motor

Jahntassa · Post by **Jahntassa** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:22 pm

So a 2003 GT, Moonroof.. You're sure there's no little black box under the passenger seat, anywhere..?

bluevibes · Post by **bluevibes** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:19 am

Quote, originally posted by Jahntassa Â»So a 2003 GT, Moonroof.. You're sure there's no little black box under the passenger seat, anywhere..?Nothing under the passenger seat, only things under are the seatbelt sensor cable and the air duct.

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