greenfire supercharged 4wd/ motor blown!!

[drayday55]

us guys and few gals at matrixowners are gonna pitch in 10 or 20 $ to help jason out with this unforseen catastrophy! maybe some of you that know of him could lend a hand?here are some links:http://matrixowners.com/module...968abh ... le...d52cb

[ragingfish]

I sent him some cashola...Jay's an awesome guy, this is quite the tragedy...anything I can do to help him get his car back on the road...Come on guys, let's rally together, help a brotha out!

[Mavrik]

guess we know what happens with a SC on a AWD...

[ragingfish]

But it wasn't the drivetrain that blew...it was the engine.and the AWD uses the same base engine no?

[Mavrik]

different set up all the same, different loads on the engine. and we know GM said the supercharger would not work on the AWD Vibe and the AWD Matrix is the same right? I don't know but yeah... I can see that as raising issues when it comes to warranty.

[millster]

The logic behind saying it wouldn't work was a weak drivetrain. It has pretty much been determined that something caused the engine to run lean and at extreme temperatures.To me, I don't see how the drivetrain would contribute to a severe enough lean condition to destroy the engine. I can certainly see where it would cause an issue with the warranty though. They don't recommend installation on the car, so why would they cover it. Sad, but probably true.

[drunkenmaxx]

i have imed back and forth with him a few times, and he also had a full custom, straight back exhast w/high flow cat. perhaps he didnt have enough backpressure?

[ultraviolet]

Another thing to take into mind is that Greenfire was using a Split-Second AIC-1 fuel controller to run his 5th injector, and the A/F ratio was re-tuned with it.The engine can definitely handle the power from the SC. Greenfires problems were the result of running to lean while under full boost.Hopefully everything works out ok for him.

[cohocarl]

Quote, originally posted by ultraviolet »the result of running to lean while under full boost.Yup., and from the sounds of the damage, it was running lean for a long time. I don't think the injector cleaner had much to do with it.

[joatmon]

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »Come on guys, let's rally together, help a brotha out! I'm in

[FusionVGT]

If you aren't prepared to deal with the risk or price of modifying a car, keep the hood closed. I really like Greenfire, and he seems like a stand up guy. Because of that, I honestly hope he refuses the money and fixes his own car. Flame away...

[rasermon]

Quote, originally posted by FusionVGT »If you aren't prepared to deal with the risk or price of modifying a car, keep the hood closed. I really like Greenfire, and he seems like a stand up guy. Because of that, I honestly hope he refuses the money and fixes his own car. Flame away...I understand your post and won't argue about it, but we do have some good Samaritans on this site that would like to help out.

[maddigital]

Fusion, I appreciate ur opinion. U obviously dont know the situation. First off, Jason did not ask for anything but suggestions on what to do. He is not a gearhead, or engineer, he has simply done things that most of the community talk about doing and challenged the notion of "compatability" . He has made numerous friends in the past couple of years and have helped many with answers, experience, and projects. What happened to his car was due to a fluke situation, he wasnt trying to increase boost or push the limits of the car, he was trying to make give his 4wd more usable. Yes he experimented, yes he took risks, no he didnt ask us to help him pay for the repair. I like many others have donated to help keep him in the community and help him as he has helped me in the last two years. This topic was not made for people to post... "I told u so" Sorry for my rant.

[Faultline]

The first thing that happens when you decide to tell everyon that you are going to F/I your car ,....well, you get scolded. People tell you that you are going to mess up your warranty, and furthermore, the reason it is not covered is because there is good chance kyou will blow your motor!!!...."You're an idiot if you do that!!!"...And right when you are so excited about booosting your motor, , some people seemingly want it ruined for you. Then after you run ok for a year, they dont want to give you any accolades, because they dont want to be wrong about their stearn warning...If the big day comes, like greenfires did, they gloat with the "I told you so's!"....The great part is, is that no one is doing this to Jay! Instead , they are creating a "defray the rebuild cost fund"...Which I think is pretty cool!

[FusionVGT]

Quote, originally posted by maddigital »Fusion, I appreciate ur opinion. U obviously dont know the situation. First off, Jason did not ask for anything but suggestions on what to do. He is not a gearhead, or engineer, he has simply done things that most of the community talk about doing and challenged the notion of "compatability" . He has made numerous friends in the past couple of years and have helped many with answers, experience, and projects. What happened to his car was due to a fluke situation, he wasnt trying to increase boost or push the limits of the car, he was trying to make give his 4wd more usable. Yes he experimented, yes he took risks, no he didnt ask us to help him pay for the repair. I like many others have donated to help keep him in the community and help him as he has helped me in the last two years. This topic was not made for people to post... "I told u so" Sorry for my rant.What dont' I know about it? He modified the car, removed the safety net by leaning out the mixture, and fried the top end. This couldn't be less of a "fluke situation".

[AKLGT]

Quote, originally posted by FusionVGT »What dont' I know about it? He modified the car, removed the safety net by leaning out the mixture, and fried the top end. This couldn't be less of a "fluke situation".sure it's a risk anyone takes, especially if you f/i your engine. but i've seen engines blow up w/o any help of a f/i system or anything aftermarket done. so it's not fair or accurate to say that just because you f/i your vehicle it's going to blow. and i think people here know that greenfire's not asking for a hand out. this is something that other people are wanting to help him because he's been so helpful on this site and other sites with his experience and knowledge. if you don't think it "ethical" to help, then don't. it's not really necessary to say "i told you so" or pass judgement on people trying to help him get his car back on the road. i think he knew the risks associated with doing what he did. it still doesn't make it any less devastating or his situation any lighter than it truly is. i admit, this is a prime example as to why i wouldn't f/i my gt. but i still encourage and support him for having the balls to do what no one else did! greenfire, i hope you get your car back on the road soon. best wishes to you!

[NSimkins]

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »and i think people here know that greenfire's not asking for a hand out. this is something that other people are wanting to help him because he's been so helpful on this site and other sites with his experience and knowledge. if you don't think it "ethical" to help, then don't. Yes, I was blown away by the outpouring of (un-asked for) support that has been shown towards greenfire, but it does seem that the Vibe/Matrix community is not short of extremely giving and friendly people. I've met greenfire myself and will also say he's a great and helpful guy. I hope he gets back on the road with his Matrix soon!

[joatmon]

I think it says something about greenfire that people would do this for him.

[AKLGT]

Quote, originally posted by joatmon »I think it says something about greenfire that people would do this for him.yes, i think it says a lot! unfortunately, i have not had the pleasure to meet him in person, but i've talked to him at length here on the forums. he's a bang up guy!

[FusionVGT]

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »sure it's a risk anyone takes, especially if you f/i your engine. but i've seen engines blow up w/o any help of a f/i system or anything aftermarket done.What does that have to do with this discussion?Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »so it's not fair or accurate to say that just because you f/i your vehicle it's going to blow.Please point out where I've said this.Quote, originally posted by vibe »if you don't think it "ethical" to help, then don't.Likewise, if you don't like my opinion on this, then ignore it and move on. Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »it's not really necessary to say "i told you so" or pass judgement on people trying to help him get his car back on the road. i think he knew the risks associated with doing what he did.Again, please point out where I said this, especially the "pass judgemetn on people" part.

[AKLGT]

Quote, originally posted by FusionVGT »Again, please point out where I said this, especially the "pass judgemetn on people" part.Quote, originally posted by FusionVGT »If you aren't prepared to deal with the risk or price of modifying a car, keep the hood closed. I really like Greenfire, and he seems like a stand up guy. Because of that, I honestly hope he refuses the money and fixes his own car. Flame away...ok... so the part where you say "i honestly hope he refused the money and fixes his own car" isn't passing judgment on those offering to help? but rather than get into it with you and really i don't have much time to fight over very lame things on the internet, i'll just stop here. so carry on with your flames...

[joatmon]

I agree to a point with FusionVGT, in that when you start doing unknown performance mods to your engine you are taking a risk. I don't think the S/C itself was the problem, the S/C on the 1ZZ was tested extensively by Toyota, and a whole lot more by pontiac (must have been, because it took them forever to approve it). When greenfire put the S/C on his AWD, the question was whether the tranny and AWD parts could handle the extra power, and it looks like they can. Maybe it was the add on controller, the gas, or something else. Hopefully they will figure out what really caused the problem. There have been other posts about engine deaths in the forums, a number from having the oil pump go out because of vibration from the unorthodox pulley set, one from a guy who misinstalled the oil filter and never noticed when all the oil leaked out, a CAI'd matrixer who hydrolocked by driving through deep water. What else has caused the catastrophic failure of the engines in these cars?

[FusionVGT]

Quote, originally posted by joatmon »I agree to a point with FusionVGT, in that when you start doing unknown performance mods to your engine you are taking a risk. I don't think the S/C itself was the problem, the S/C on the 1ZZ was tested extensively by Toyota, and a whole lot more by pontiac (must have been, because it took them forever to approve it). When greenfire put the S/C on his AWD, the question was whether the tranny and AWD parts could handle the extra power, and it looks like they can. Maybe it was the add on controller, the gas, or something else. Hopefully they will figure out what really caused the problem. There have been other posts about engine deaths in the forums, a number from having the oil pump go out because of vibration from the unorthodox pulley set, one from a guy who misinstalled the oil filter and never noticed when all the oil leaked out, a CAI'd matrixer who hydrolocked by driving through deep water. What else has caused the catastrophic failure of the engines in these cars?Don't agree with me joatmon, it could get you banned The problem was the changes to the fuel curve. All these add-on fuel controlers on the market have you change the fuel curve in steps. This results in dead spots where you can run overly rich or lean. In Greenfire's case, it was lean. You simply can't remove the safety margin, run Citgo pump gas hoping you got 93 octane and expect it to run forever. Especially on an engine with 10:1 cast pistons.

[drunkenmaxx]

hey, at least it didn't blow because he didnt change the oil!!

[teammonkeys]

Jason is a very cool guy.. I contributed.

[drayday55]

remember, he never asked 4 money we just wanted to do something nice

[Merzbow]

I don't spend a whole lot of time on Matrixowners, but Greenfire is one of the members I noticed to be helpful and kind to myself and others...if I didn't owe so many people money I would with out a doubt send him some money! Unfortunately I have my own debts to take care of....I gues all I can say is "veil gluck!"

[ragingfish]

He's back in service...naturally aspirated...He and his trix were at the harriman meet in NY earlier in october...

[Merzbow]

Oh, well that's good news...I wasn't even paying attention to the date! I'm glad he's up and running again.

[drayday55]

the s/c lives on in socal!! on matrixr