Auto Show Hunters

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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by Caretaker » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:04 am

yah, the Autoline crew were discussing this one. I hate the teardrop headlights (also found on the new Sonata) and the rectangular grill is now in contention with Lexus' grilles over the past 10 years as the ugliest in town. Maybe designers are beginning to give up, knowing their days of selling ICEs are coming to an end real soon. Soon they won't have to worry about grille designs as there won't be any need for air intakes with all electric vehicles (EVs).
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by ColonelPanic » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:28 pm

That new Tucson is gonna look fantastic in a few years with all those acres of piano black plastic. ;) A well-done interior otherwise.

Lots of pics here. And is that a flat load floor I spy? Or nearly flat, hard to tell from that angle.
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2022 Tucson

Post by Caretaker » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:44 am

Excellent pictures CP. Thanks for posting. I hope my video screen doesn't come in Korean. :?: It is a flat load floor, although when I watch a bazillion hours of Motorweek and hear them say the words "flat load cargo area," I always notice a small rise due to the headrests propping up the one end by an inch or so. A pickup truck is still the standard bearer for bringing home a sheet of drywall, as even a small rise in these SUV cargo areas can result in the drywall snapping in the middle on the way home. I too think the interior is outstanding, but as always, I never need a test drive, nor care what's under the hood. My make or break moment is whether I have enough "flopping around room" while in the driver's seat. If the center console pins my leg to the gas pedal, my "test drive" is over. I still have my crib sheet from testing out the Crosstrek and Seltos, a list of must have's I want to see on the (near) base version of the new Tucson. Things such as no sunroof (period), no AWD, no 18 inch tires, LED headlights, no CVT nor DCT, turn signals in side mirrors, independent rear suspension, rear seat center armrest. It is appalling how you have to go to the highest trim levels on the current Crosstrek and Seltos to get some of these, which is why I am thrilled about this next Tucson. I'm hoping Hyundai (once again) will push Subaru to up its game with the next Crosstrek iteration, which thanks to COVID, will not be happening for quite some time to come.
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Crosstrek Shopping

Post by Caretaker » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:53 am

We went to the local Subaru dealer yesterday to sit in and see the new Sport models with the Star Tek synthetic leather seats. We also hopped in a cloth seat Crosstrek to compare the lumbar support. Another example of Subaru being "way behind the times" is that there isn't any lumbar support lever on the Crosstrek. We found the Star Tek and cloth seats to be equal in support but we like the water resistance and ease of cleaning concept of the synthetic leather. The sales person confided that he had rented an Outback and found the seats very uncomfortable during his rental period.
Joatmon and any other new Subaru owners out there: do you have any complaints with your Subaru's seat comfort?
I'm still hoping to hold out for one more model year when hopefully, Subaru will come to its senses and dump the 2.0 liter engine altogether and add things to all their models such as turn signals, lane changing detectors and an armrest for rear passengers. We also are not fans of having "dual rear seat USB ports" stuffed inside the center console tray when they could have simply cut a hole on the backside and exposed them to the rear seat passengers. We also are concerned about having Eyesight mounted on to the windshield should we need a replacement due to a crack. I'll have to call our insurance company to see if windshield replacement is included in our policy given that Eyesight seriously complicates a normally simple replacement procedure.
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by joatmon » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:03 pm

I can't say what the current Subaru line up offers. I bought a 19 forester 18 months ago, and for peace of mind, I stopped looking at both features and prices. I didn't fit well in a crosstrek, No complaints about the 2.0 boxer. Its no racer, but has enough oompf for me.

The one I got was a "limited" trim, so it had many but not all options. I can testify that it does, in fact, have turn signals. Not sure about "lane changing detectors" but it does pay attention and beeps at me if it thinks I am too close or over a painted line on the road. Seems to sound off when I am dodging potholes a lot more than when I inadvertently drift over a line. It has a 60/40 split rear seat like the Vibe did, but the center 20 of the 60 side folds down to be a center armrest for the rear passengers. The dual USB ports for the rear are on the back exterior of the console that's between the front seats, not inside the console itself.

On mine, only the driver seat has fancy electric controls, including lumbar support. I think there was an option for a fancier front passenger seat, but I didn't get that on mine. I think the seat's pretty comfortable, but I have found things like that to be very particular to an individual, so just because I find it comfortable doesn't mean anyone else would. or would not.

Not particularly worried about cost to replace the windshield, its still my new car so I carry full coverage. Don't know how it's insurance cost compares to other comparable models

So far my biggest gripe is car related, but not about the car itself. My first vibe I ran the 36K mile warranty out in about 14 months. Had this car for 18 months, just hit 10K on the odo. Rational pandemic precautions have me not taking the long road trips I had hoped to. I tired of hanging around the homestead.

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Shopping '21 Subaru Sport

Post by Caretaker » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:36 pm

Thanks for that joatmon. I'm in contact with Farrish which is the UBS (United Buying Service) dealership in the DC/Balt metro area. I've informed them that I'm in no hurry as my cars are running fine and my Vibe is about to get three more Denso plugs and ignition coils this week to complete the new set. At about $150 over dealer cost, plus the 2% holdback Mr. Subaru sends them after the car sells, it simply is the best way to buy a car and is worth the flight up and the drive home. Not paying any dealer/ad/prep fees and getting any dealer installed options at cost is how we bought three of our most recent cars. In fact my Vibe was bought using UBS at Farrish.
I have found my exact model/trim/color(s) at two FL dealers and one in Atlanta and Savannah. Since the dealers logically ordered all high end Limited trims with the new model year, I'm guessing that as long as chip manufacturers get their act together and production gets back to normal, more of the Sport trim models will come available by year's end.
Any other recent Subaru owners with seat stories?
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* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by ColonelPanic » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:43 pm

If you're still interested in the Tucson and have time to kill, here's a video of them being built in Alabama. Always neat to see how things come together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_JPlyG9V6s
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by Caretaker » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:43 am

GREAT video. Having toured the Wentzville GM plant, it was nice watching this video and not seeing even one drunk robot assembling my next car. Actually, I'm waiting for the Sportage to arrive before trying them both out. Today, I'm heading to another Subaru dealer to compare the Star Tex and leather seats. I'll also sit in a Forester "one last time" to ensure that the center console is indeed too wide and leg restricting, which is what I'm afraid will be the case with Hyundai/Kia's new offerings.
Live it up: There will be plenty of time to be old when you die.
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* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by ColonelPanic » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:50 am

Drunk robots. :lol: I've watched that video a few times now and it always makes me cringe around the 9:35 mark where the robot brings the passenger seat in from above. If it has the slightest hangover, I think they'd have to send that one back for paint repairs on the roof. :D
03 Vibe base. Born 10/14/2002 06:07 AM
Auto, Moon & Tunes, power package. 137k mi.
Neptune/dying clearcoat/primer grey. :lol:

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'15 Escape SE - 1.6L EcoBoost, FWD. 67k mi. (hers)
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by Caretaker » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:51 pm

Yep: never buy a car that was assembled on a Monday. Those robots are likely hung over from spending all their paycheck on lube.
Our visit to Subaru was enlightening. We did reaffirm that we like the Sport model and the synthetic Star Tex seating material over the real leather. We also sat in a 2017 with "leather." I almost broke out laughing as I squeezed the driver's seat. The leather was like squeezing a cheap vinyl childs ball in a bin at Walmart. The material was insulting and explains why so many people had complained over the past years about poor back support with their seats. A Subaru purchase does make me nervous and I'm glad that I still don't have to make a choice any time soon. I also sat in a loaded Forester and it was a bit more comfortable, although the side to side knee "flopping around room" was about 1/2-1 inch better in the Crosstrek. The Forester just seems roomy due to the 5-6 inches of extra height and commensurate head and shoulder room. I'm still holding out hope for the 2022 Sportage which is reported to be the shorter version of the two cousins(Tucson being longer in size) and a better driver's car as well. As long as my leg isn't pinned into the console........only time will tell.
Live it up: There will be plenty of time to be old when you die.
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* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
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2022 Tucson

Post by Caretaker » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:16 am

Went to Hyundai yesterday and sat in their base model 2022 Tucson SE. It is over 6 inches longer than the outgoing model and it felt more like 2 feet longer. The cabin was quite spacious, much like sitting in a Forester. The base model comes with a traditional handle gear selector and a traditional hooded instrument display. The cloth seats are typical Hyundai perfect. Very good material and very firm and supportive, just like my 11 year old HET. There are lots of hard plastics in the base model and it does not have turn signals in the side mirrors, a huge no-no for me. Bump up to the next level SEL and it comes with softer materials, turn signals, leather seat option, digital displays, and power seats (another no-no for me). At least Hyundai put a volume and radio selector wheel on their radios. The upper Limited trim is all touch screen which makes it tough to select the right button when you are driving. While the long wheel base Tucson was never on my shopping list, here's hoping that Kia does a little bit better with their upcoming Sportage. Walking by the outgoing Tucson, it was clear to this long time Vibe driver that it was a much more manageable size. The dealership was packed with people, probably gobbling up the outgoing model at $19,000 a pop; over $6,000 off the normal asking price. While I'm not against the new digital screens, I do agree with John McElroy who points out that these screens will quickly make your car look outdated as new and improved digital technology comes out year over year.
Live it up: There will be plenty of time to be old when you die.
* '09 Vibe: 1.8 liter *
* '10 Hyundai Elantra Touring *
* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
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Kia Time

Post by Caretaker » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:57 am

Went to my local Kia dealership yesterday to ask some questions. I got mostly slimy dealership answers back. I wanted to know if the current recall on the Seltos affected only the 2.0 turbo engines or whether the standard naturally aspirated 2.4 liter engine (found in their other models) also had the piston rings that were improperly heat treated. The "we haven't received any stop sales notifications yet" was typical dealership slime talk. I then asked the totally clueless sales manager why Kia suddenly decided to carry forward with the current Sportage and badge it as a 2022 moniker when the 2022 was supposed to be the new design model? Was it the chip shortage? Crickets chirping. I then told him that I wanted to just sit in a current Sportage. That was the final wetting of his cornflakes. I must say, after sitting in the redesigned Tucson the day before, I was impressed with the roominess of the current Sportage despite being at least 6 inches shorter. I put the driver's seat all the way back and found that I had to actually pull it back forward a couple of inches. I can only remember doing that one other time and I think it was in an older Lincoln Continental. My naturally resting arm position on the steering wheel was also more comfortable than my nearly fully extended arm position in the new Tucson. I asked the sales person why on earth was Kia putting $5000 + on the dashboard when there seems to be no new Sportage coming for another model year? Again, I must have tinkled in his cornflakes or they had a very bad sales meeting right before I got there. I just love torturing dealerships with tough questions and using them like the tools they are.
Live it up: There will be plenty of time to be old when you die.
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* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by ColonelPanic » Tue May 04, 2021 3:43 pm

Hyundai's piston ring recall just dropped (link.) Theirs is only for the 2.0 naturally aspirated in the 2019-2020 Elantra, 2019-2021 Kona and 2019-2021 Veloster.

I've been waiting for a Veloster 2.0 Premium to show up within a reasonable distance since last year, but trims aside from the N don't seem to exist anymore. Dodged a bullet with that one I suppose. :lol: I've been looking at the 2021 Elantra SEL instead since I can find plenty of those on the dealer lots. Interestingly the "new" 2.0L Smartstream version there is not affected.
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by Caretaker » Tue May 04, 2021 4:22 pm

yep, I read that too tonight. It stands to reason that not only Kia models would be affected. I also watched autoline.tv's daily podcast and found it interesting that due to the chip shortage, rental car agencies are buying used cars for their fleet. This is now causing used cars to inflate even higher than before.
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* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
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Tucson hunting

Post by Caretaker » Mon May 10, 2021 3:05 pm

Went to the Hyundai dealer and sat in both the 2022 Tucson (again) and the 2021. While I still would like less center console and more floppin' around room, I was impressed with the outgoing model. It is much more manageable than the 2022. The 6 inch increase of the 2022 makes it feel 10 feet longer. The dealer only had the base 2021 models left, but I was impressed with the leg room for the rear passengers (ample enough) and the fact that the rear seats (even in the base model) recline back about 30 degrees. The driver's position was very comfortable as was the visibility. The arm reach with the seat all the way back was better in the outgoing model. To compensate, H/K is putting hand rests at the 4 and 8 o'clock position to relax the arms and shorten the reach. I find that to be a good idea, although it really would be for long distance driving only and not particularly good for steering out of an emergency situation. It was interesting to see that this dealer only had about $4500 of cash on the hood instead of the $6000 cash back they had in April. The sales person said that the incentives do change from month to month. I was under the assumption that they stayed constant until the backlog was depleted to make room for the incoming models.
Live it up: There will be plenty of time to be old when you die.
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* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by ColonelPanic » Wed May 12, 2021 6:26 pm

I've noticed Hyundai's incentives are sometimes weird on the outgoing models. After a while it seems the incentives just go away on them, making the new generation a better deal. I suppose at that point haggling with the dealer takes over.
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Re: Auto Show Hunters

Post by Caretaker » Thu May 13, 2021 3:31 am

I was shocked to see the incentives at all given the chip shortage, ships stuck in the Suez and the pandemic delays at assembly plants. Moreover, it made no sense that Kia had money on the hood for a model that now has been extended through calendar year 2021. The new Sportage won't be here until 2022. Also, now that every Hyundai dealership I've searched is down to just a handful of 2021 Tucsons, why have any cash incentives on a rare find model given that the 2022 model is sooo much larger in appearance and perception and might not be the size people want. It is also a regional thing. Last night's search revealed that dealers in the DC area didn't even have any cash back offers, while here in FL, they continue both from the dealer and from the factory, albeit not as robust as back in April.
Live it up: There will be plenty of time to be old when you die.
* '09 Vibe: 1.8 liter *
* '10 Hyundai Elantra Touring *
* '07 Honda Fit Sport *
On Deck: '23 Sportage/'22 Subaru Crosstrek

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