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How important do you think it is to demonstrate proper grammer while communicating with someone - particularly over the internet?When communicating over email or the internet, what you type is the only way you are communicating with others. They cannot hear your tone, they cannot see your gestures, so your typed grammar is all they have.People criticize our President because he speaks with an acsent that makes him appear moronic. (I don't agree with this, but I hear and read about it alot and it seems to be a favorite target for his non-supporters)Dan Quayle misspelled "Potato" and he may never live that one down.Bill Cosby recently went on record and HARSHLY criticized the black community when he said, "I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby said then. "And then I heard the father talk ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth." Link: http://kevxml2adsl.verizon.net...top=1Do you pay attention to your grammar when typing on genvibe? Should you? Do you care?Discuss...

i do not run spell check. i don't capitalize words unless i feel they are important. i may abbreviate words like thot or bot rather than type them out, thought or bought. i believe communication is of utmost importance, but being (removed) retentive to the point of getting out a red pen and marker for any and all grammatical errors is usless, pointless, and only causes more tension between members. people cannot hear the tone or the fluctations in one's voice when they are typing. obviously, this is where being concise, clear, and direct are very helpful when getting one's point across. unless tags such as [sarcasm][/sarcasm] or (removed), LOL, etc are being used, i'm often left with guessing by the context of the post or thread.however, i do not feel that lack of grammar or spelling proves someone is some how inferior or less intelligent than another. perhaps less educated, but not stupid. you can teach someone spelling and grammar. you cannot teach someone to be intelligent. they either are or they aren't. but that's my take on the situation. anyone is welcome to disagree.

Another aspect of using proper grammar is readability.If... I typed a long pairagraph and did not use separators...... and instead just kept typing these little dots.... some peeple ... may find it harder to read.... i dont want to give reeders of.. this fourum headahces.... so i tri too be productive... bye using... paragraffs too separate my coments..... i think its a curtisy for peeple who may be reeding my post.

may i add that punctuation is also important. run on sentences are the most difficult to read, i've found.and yes, i use .... a lot to show a pause or break in thought. and quite funny your spelling there, KBJ. LOL! i see you are trying to add humor.

I do not give a ratz a** about spelling unless you are important people like people from work. Its not a big deal at all. If you are on this forum you are obviously smart enought to use the keyboard no need to prove to little John you can spell correctly in a thread about carz... Using cause instead of because and other words being replaced with slang words, faces does not say you are not intelligent.

i find gramer and speling irelevunt in many cases, but nesesayry in others.when trying to be informative, grammar can play a key role, because it gives a hint toward your credibility.if people who knew me away from work saw me at work, they would crap! i usually wear sleavless shirts and shorts w/no socks in my shoes! at work, however, i have button up shirts, dress pants and dress shoes, along with black, blue, or brown socks. i also talk like a nerd when the bosses are around.

I FIND THAT IF I TYPE EVERYTHING IN CAPITAL LETTERS, PEOPLE GET REALLY UPSET. ESPECIALLY WHEN I CRITICIZE THEM. ADDING EXCLAMATION POINTS TO THE END OF A SENTENCE SEEMS TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!apparantly genvibe.com has a filter that does not allow more than half of the letters in a post to be in capital letters. so now i have to type some lower case letters so that i can post.

Quote, originally posted by kaybeejay »Discuss...I object to your presumption of authority to command me to discuss the importance of grammar by using the above quoted imperative statement.

Grammar is VERY important, especially if that's someone's main method of business communication. If I receive an email from someone with a bunch of typos and/or grammatical errors, the first thing I am going to think is that he/she isn't very well educated. This is not the case if I actually KNOW them i.e. work with them, friend, associate, etc.Good grammar = good communication = confident client/customerProperly written grammar is as important as proper speech, diverse vocabulary, etc.YMMV EDIT: Typos fixed har har

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »Grammar is VERY important, especially if that's someone's main method of business communication. If I receive an email from someone with a bunch of typos and/or grammatical errors, the first thing I am going to think is that he/she isn't very well educated. This is not the case if I actually KNOW them i.e. work with them, friend, associate, etc.Good grammar = good communication = confident client/customerProper written grammar is as important as proper speach, diverse vocabulary, etc.YMMV i agree whole heartedly with you, christian. i think this discussion is more pertaining to genvibe? i'm not really positive on that, so someone can correct me if i'm wrong.in the business world, grammar and spelling is EXTREMELY important. however, when posting online for entertainment, i don't believe it's a dire necessity to run spell or grammar check before you hit "POST"

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »Grammar is VERY important, especially if that's someone's main method of business communication. If I receive an email from someone with a bunch of typos and/or grammatical errors, the first thing I am going to think is that he/she isn't very well educated. This is not the case if I actually KNOW them i.e. work with them, friend, associate, etc.Good grammar = good communication = confident client/customerProper written grammar is as important as proper speach, diverse vocabulary, etc.YMMV Bravo!! Well said my friend

Thanks Sam, well except for my own typo on "speech" LOL

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »in the business world, grammar and spelling is EXTREMELY important. however, when posting online for entertainment, i don't believe it's a dire necessity to run spell or grammar check before you hit "POST" I agree 110%

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »Properly written grammar is as important as proper speach, diverse vocabulary, etc.speech Sorry - The irony was too much to resist.

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »Thanks Sam, well except for my own typo on "speech" LOL that's ok, christian. i found it quite funny. but you know we love you anyways! whoo hoo! mexico in february!

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »i agree whole heartedly with you, christian. i think this discussion is more pertaining to genvibe? i'm not really positive on that, so someone can correct me if i'm wrong.in the business world, grammar and spelling is EXTREMELY important. however, when posting online for entertainment, i don't believe it's a dire necessity to run spell or grammar check before you hit "POST" Oh, in that case, not really important haha. Although, a poorly written post will cause me to ignore the poster's question more often than not."I R A NOOB, PLZ HALP MEH!"Yeah, i'd pass that one up quickly

Bro we all make mistakes! This is a public forum not a business presentation! The web has its own grammar, you don't write LOL BRB in an email do you? Some people try to type fast in these forums and errors will happen.Business documents are in a different league and with proofreaders and spell checkers how do you know the person on the other end has no education??Have a great weekend people! Enjoy your family, friends and Vibes

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 »I agree 110% You may be in the minority.Do a "Google" search for "netiquette" and see what comes up.

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »in the business world, grammar and spelling is EXTREMELY important. however, when posting online for entertainment, i don't believe it's a dire necessity to run spell or grammar check before you hit "POST" Sure things are more relaxed here - but you gotta remember that this is a publicly viewed forum. You never know who will be reading your posts and what conclusions they will draw based on what you type. It's probably a good idea to quickly proofread your own stuff just to make sure you are communicating what you want to communicate.Someone from NUMMI once contacted me because of something I typed on genvibe. You just never know...

Quote, originally posted by kaybeejay »Someone from NUMMI once contacted me because of something I typed on genvibe. You just never know...Someone should contact them and tell them they didn't paint our cars properly

Quote, originally posted by ArcsVibe »Business documents are in a different league and with proofreaders and spell checkers how do you know the person on the other end has no education?? It's the people that forget they have access to a spellchecker that scare me

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »Oh, in that case, not really important haha. Although, a poorly written post will cause me to ignore the poster's question more often than not."I R A NOOB, PLZ HALP MEH!"Yeah, i'd pass that one up quickly ha ha ha! well, christian, i believe you know what i mean. i'm not saying we need to talk ghetto or ebonics here. i'm saying that it's not necessary to run a grammar or spell check because it's not a business presentation. if you type "cause" or "bot" instead of "because" or "bought" i don't feel makes your post less important or dynamic. perhaps that's just me. i look at the context and content overall then just the small sections or piece of the pie.using good grammar and spelling helps to get anyone's point across. obviously, if you can't understand what they are saying, or their post is unclear, how the hell are you to respond to it? other than a ????

Quote, originally posted by kaybeejay »Sure things are more relaxed here - but you gotta remember that this is a publicly viewed forum. You never know who will be reading your posts and what conclusions they will draw based on what you type. It's probably a good idea to quickly proofread your own stuff just to make sure you are communicating what you want to communicate.Someone from NUMMI once contacted me because of something I typed on genvibe. You just never know...actually, at the meet, i had one of the reps approach me to discuss some issues and posts i had made. so yes, i am quite aware they do read this forum. do i think they believe me to be a moron because i don't capitalize my sentences or use .... in my paragraphs? very doubtful. in fact, i am in the process of talking to "pontiac performance magazine" regarding my great interest in not only the vibe, but also how it's changed different aspects of my life here in Alaska. and yes, i made sure i used both spell check and grammar check. LOL

Quote, originally posted by kaybeejay »Sure things are more relaxed here - but you gotta remember that this is a publicly viewed forum. You never know who will be reading your posts and what conclusions they will draw based on what you type. if i ever care about what people i don't even know on the internet think about me, someone please shoot me!! you will never see me try to mask the fact that i am a perverted, immature idiot!!

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe »perverted, immature idiot!!Nothing wrong with that I can honestly say that I am all three on occasion

Quote, originally posted by Psychobroker »Nothing wrong with that I can honestly say that I am all three on occasion (removed)! wait! is this ok??? can i post "(removed)" or does that reflect that i too am an immature idiot??

Quote, originally posted by kaybeejay »You may be in the minority.Do a "Google" search for "netiquette" and see what comes up.Sooooooooooo Whaaaaaaaaaat. Big deal this is not a classroom I type what I want how I want and obviously you are not dumb because you understand it. Im not here to make your life better or easier.

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »... being (removed) retentive to the point of getting out a red pen and marker for any and all grammatical errors is usless, pointless, and only causes more tension between members. How does proper grammar, spelling and punctuation create tension between members? As many have observed, your words are all you have to represent you here. I want my words to carry the best image of me and my ideas, so how they are presented and perceived is VERY important!If you get on an airline dressed as a slob, they are likely to treat you as a slob. How you use language here is how you are dressed. You may score in the genius category on an I.Q. test, but if you are too lazy to use proper spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar, you don't make any better impression here in a written forum than a person who is too stupid to learn the simple rules of written language.I READ a post I make here when it is posted, and will often go back in with the editor to clean it up, correct a typo or even adjust line spacing.

No matter how much you can type people are not going to change the way they have been wrtting just because someone was bored and started this thread.

Quote, originally posted by esjones »How does proper grammar, spelling and punctuation create tension between members? I took it to mean that being AR in correcting other people's typos and bad grammar was what created tension. Not the bad grandmas themselves, but pointing them out constantly creates tension.The forum software rating (we are all 100%) can take off points if you edit your posts a lot, but it's not turned on, which is good becasue otherwise I'd have a low rating for all the posts I edit to correct typos and such.

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 »Sooooooooooo Whaaaaaaaaaat. Big deal this is not a classroom ...I disagree.People come here with questions looking for advice. They probably expect to get answers in a clear and easy to understand manner.

Quote, originally posted by kaybeejay »I disagree.People come here with questions looking for advice. They probably expect to get answers in a clear and easy to understand manner.Havent heard any 1 complain about an answer.

Quote, originally posted by esjones »I READ a post I make here when it is posted, and will often go back in with the editor to clean it up, correct a typo or even adjust line spacing.I do the same on all my posts. I have a 13 year old to help with the spelling and punctuation. She is more meticulous about it than I am and is a big fan of Genvibe.

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 »Havent heard any 1 complain about an answer.Probably cause it's easier to just reread the reply a few more times and try and figure out what is trying to be said versus complaining about. (Takes more effort to complain than it does to just reread)There have been times when I have been surfing forums (not just genvibe- but everywhere) and come across posts so full of bad grammar that I have to reread it several times just to try and figure out what the poster is trying to say. Sometimes I give up and move on, other times I give it a genuine effort.I usually am able to figure out the message that they are trying to get across - but 'cause it was so poorly constructed - it took alot longer than it should have.

(Hold this soap-box for me, while I climb up on it for a minute...)My old boss's e-mails were almost indecipherable, between his terrible spelling and weird grammar (admittedly, English was his second language) unless it was addressed to a superior, with a cc to us peons. Then it would be carefully constructed and perfectly spell-checked. I was always torn between understanding that he was really busy and could accomplish much better things with his time than perfecting his e-mail notes, and being irritated and insulted they we didn't matter enough to merit more than a half-a**ed effort.Sorry folks, but in the case of Genvibe, my older generation's upbringing impels me to the "irritation" position. I don't expect perfection, nor do I waste a lot of time trying to achieve it in my own posts, but let's face it, no one has to be here, so we're all using leisure time (even if from work) on our posts. Would a modest effort at grammatical sentences and a semblance of spelling accuracy ruin our whole evening? After all, someday any one of us might be judged on such attributes, and a little practice from time to time couldn't hurt!(Now help me down off here, before I hurt myself) PS, a confession: To minimize my radar profile for snipers on above, I did indeed use spellcheck this time. 5 errors! (blush)

I know some people who actually go as far as compose their posts on Microsoft Word - let the auto spell/grammar checker work and then cut and paste it into the forum.

Damn! Busted again! If after I finish composing a reply, I feel a little apprehensive about some of the spelling, I do a cut 'n paste onto an e-mail, spellcheck it and then paste it back.(There. Just did it in 30 seconds flat. I feel much better now... )

Honestly, I think it's a pretty crappy attitude to not care HOW you relay your message. Personally, I want to communicate as effectively as possible. A person should keep this mentality in EVERYTHING they do, including the internet.

Quote, originally posted by esjones »How does proper grammar, spelling and punctuation create tension between members? As many have observed, your words are all you have to represent you here. I want my words to carry the best image of me and my ideas, so how they are presented and perceived is VERY important!what i mean by tension, is just what this thread is doing. it's creating tension over the fact that some members do not write grammatically correct nor spell correctly. taking out a RED pen is refering to picking apart someone's post because they might mispell teh instead of the while quickly typing. Quote »If you get on an airline dressed as a slob, they are likely to treat you as a slob. How you use language here is how you are dressed. You may score in the genius category on an I.Q. test, but if you are too lazy to use proper spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar, you don't make any better impression here in a written forum than a person who is too stupid to learn the simple rules of written language.I READ a post I make here when it is posted, and will often go back in with the editor to clean it up, correct a typo or even adjust line spacing.that's good that you do that. i however do not like to spend the time to go so far. i do check and read my posts before i do so, but i don't worry too much about capitalizing my "i" or using completely proper spelling. i'm sorry that it may upset or irritate some members. if that is the case, since i will not change how i type, then i will also do my best to refrain from posting. then, everyone will be happy. those who get irritated by all lower case opposed to upper case, not punctuating correctly, using ..... in paragraphs, not using spell check religiously, etc will no longer need to worry about it. if it's THAT important. hell, why would ANYONE want to post? unless of course you have your doctorates degree in NETIQUETTE. having said that, i will now get off of MY soapbox. shut my computer off, and refrain from commenting further on this subject. i believe i have posted enough in this thread. and perhaps, maybe i too will take a sabitical and leave of absence. afterall, this is only a stupid car forum, right???

Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.Creepy aint it?

Free spell checker for you kaybeejay. http://www.iespell.com/download.php ieSpell is a free Internet Explorer browser extension that spell checks text input boxes on a webpage. It should come in particularly handy for users who do a lot of web-based text entry (e.g. web mails, forums, blogs, diaries). ieSpell is not spyware or adware. It's free for personal use only.

I spend most of the day on a computer, write a lot of stuff, all very dry technical writing, very precise, structured, tedious, no fun. When I come here I don't want to be constrained by having to stick to proper written grammar all the time, Feel free to discredit my postage if the wording is not the queen's english, ain't my prob.

Quote, originally posted by kaybeejay »Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.Creepy aint it?No not really someone posted this be4.

Quote, originally posted by wicked1981 »No not really someone posted this be4.http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=6086

(removed) we are discussing spelling and grammer?? I'm with most of you that said this is a leisure activity and will never care what someone on the internet thinks. This is leisure I'm not providing a service that requires payment. If I choose to post something in either Canadian english or American english thats my choice. Ignoring peoples posts because of spelling and grammer on a forum, give your head a shake, your giving yourself too much credit that people care about that go back to work until you learn to lighten up. Just my 2 pennies.Do I get extra credit for this post???Didn't think so.

Quote, originally posted by Celtic_Curse »Do I get extra credit for this post???Didn't think so.How about

Quote, originally posted by Celtic_Curse » Ignoring peoples posts because of spelling and grammer on a forum, give your head a shake, your giving yourself too much credit that people care about that go back to work until you learn to lighten up. Just my 2 pennies.Do I get extra credit for this post???Didn't think so.I agree. We are not all english majors. You can be very intelligent, but not well spoken, or able to communicate well through the written word. This attitude is elitist. I'm sure people with bad spelling and grammer are not just posting to irritate others

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »this is only a stupid car forum, right??? You got that right, pretty lady. If some of us wish to present ourselves as idiots, why shouldn't we be allowed to do so? If you desire to refer to yourself as "i" (as in small) rather than "I" (as in large), go for it.You're a winner no matter how you present yourself - and there ain't nobody gonna argue with that.

Vibe =| stupid

The pheomnnail pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. amzanig huh?Hmmmmm