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If your interested and always wanted to know certain things about hip hop culture and music, feel free to ask me something. My credentials are over 500 CD's in my collection from 1977 to 2003. I've also been through different style phases from breakdancing and fat laces to high top fade haircuts (i.e. Kid N' Play) and Loud Color Outfits and Gym Shoes. Being that it's going on 30 years and it's pretty much at a level you really cant escape. I figure I shed some light on it. So what ever, slang definition, a certain artist's history, a favorite or intriguing album discussion, what ever is on the plateGO HEAD SHOOT!

Do you remember the song.."Are you down with O P P... Yes you know me"what is OPP??

do you really not know?? Others Peoples P**** (anther name for a cat)

quote:Do you remember the song.."Are you down with O P P... Yes you know me"what is OPP??Naughty By Nature (1991)that was too easy C'MON!

Oooh Jeeez.. What a strange topic to sing about...I seriously don't know.. I spend most of the 90's listening strictly to Classical and Jazz.

OK next question:What is the origin (reason) for people wearing one pantleg of sweat pants up and the other down...

quote:OK next question:What is the origin (reason) for people wearing one pantleg of sweat pants up and the other down... That's a New York/Brooklyn thing. LL Cool J made it somewhat popular during that sitcom In the House. Different Urban Cities do different things when it comes to wearing clothes (with the exception of saggy pants LOL ) Out west they wear Converse Chuck Taylor's (even when they weren't in style) Detroit was known alot for Alligator Shoes and Adidas Top Ten Gym Shoes.

so they dont get caught in the bike gears/sockets when riding

I see that you are that far from Philly, there they use the term "JAWN" which stands for what ever......

I'm mostly a fan of 60s/early 70's rock, but the tune at the end of this flash animation is cool:http://www.wiruz.dk/fun/Harecut.swf

That animation is great! LOL! NOS!

All i listen to is hip-hop. I very into the culture and lifestyle myself.

60's & 70's rock------Do I ever agree!!!!!!! James

quote:what is OPP??Ontario Provincial Police

quote:Out west they wear Converse Chuck Taylor's (even when they weren't in style)BTW Did you hear NIKE just purchased Converse for 300 million and a pound of hamburger?

quote:BTW Did you hear NIKE just purchased Converse for 300 million and a pound of hamburger?your not serious about the hamburger are you?

quote:what is OPP??Ontario Provincial PoliceLMAO! Yes it does stand for that but as far as the song goes, it's Other People's Property or in other words gettin it on with someone elses girlfriend or boyfriend. But when I first saw an OPP car I laughed and thought about that song

at penn state all the maintance vans have opp painted on the side stands for office of the physical plant i always thought it was funny

I used to be e huge hip hop fan. I started to loose interest in 98 when Masta P and that whole style of rap started to become popluar. I miss MC battles, I definately miss the emphasis on an MC's lyrics, not the emphasis of his gimic. I remember when their status was their flow not their looks. I.E. Greg Nice (Nice and Smooth), Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, TCQ, L.o.N.S., all the way to Biggie and TuPac. Hip hop had substance back then. Now it seems like it just has recycled beats from other hip hop songs (because DJ's are too lazy to create their own samples!!!!!puncks!) with a horrible MC on the mic with a cheap (removed) gimic that took them about 5 minutes to think up. Now I listen to Linkin Park, NERD, a couple of other rock groups. Like Common said "I USED to lover her". For those of you that don't know the song the "She" Common is refering to is HIP HOP. -IvanP.S. If I hear the Flava in Your Ear or the Night Rider theme beats in one more song I will puke!!!!!!

man, you sound bitter thats why you should try some good ole loud and emotional, heart-driven, glass breakin metal! that will get the blood flowin again. i know i am just a white boy from south dakota, but seriously, i agree with ya. i listen to some r & b/rap from time to time. it is surely about image, rather than the music and lyrics now days. but...the music is just a direct example of our present society.

LOL, I'm not as bitter as I sounded (some of it was sarcasim). I do occasionally listen to some hard rock. Not often though.

[IMG][/IMG] quote:I used to be e huge hip hop fan. I started to loose interest in 98 when Masta P and that whole style of rap started to become popluar. I miss MC battles, I definately miss the emphasis on an MC's lyrics, not the emphasis of his gimic. I remember when their status was their flow not their looks. I.E. Greg Nice (Nice and Smooth), Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, TCQ, L.o.N.S., all the way to Biggie and TuPac. Hip hop had substance back then. Now it seems like it just has recycled beats from other hip hop songs (because DJ's are too lazy to create their own samples!!!!!puncks!) with a horrible MC on the mic with a cheap (removed) gimic that took them about 5 minutes to think up. Now I listen to Linkin Park, NERD, a couple of other rock groups. Like Common said "I USED to lover her". For those of you that don't know the song the "She" Common is refering to is HIP HOP. -IvanP.S. If I hear the Flava in Your Ear or the Night Rider theme beats in one more song I will puke!!!!!!JOIN OKP (Pharrell (N.E.R.D.) actually posts there sometimesyou need this bad!http://www.okayplayer.comCheck out the Lesson ForumAlso click on the web link in my sig and check out page three. You might be interested in "The Saturday Night Agenda" It's for us "older folk" click again on the name to go to the promo or offical artists's web site Really Good Stuff.

quote:man, you sound bitter thats why you should try some good ole loud and emotional, heart-driven, glass breakin metal! that will get the blood flowin again. i know i am just a white boy from south dakota, but seriously, i agree with ya. i listen to some r & b/rap from time to time. it is surely about image, rather than the music and lyrics now days. but...the music is just a direct example of our present society. Which is correct. But the main problem with Hip Hop today is RECORD COMPANIES. We didn't know back then that DEF JAM RECORDINGS (Rap Label that featured LL COOL J, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy) would begin the era of capitalism in rap music. Not to say that it's a bad thing but the way is it being dangled in the music is what taints the artists's really potential. Also record companies dont allow artists to fully expressive themselves or even give them a say so what how to market their own LP's or EP's That is why I posted this because the music is misunderstood due to mass listerners and record companies that force feed them what ever is on their plate. Am sure it's similar with metal/rock/alternative. Im sure that their are metal artists out there that is on the underground front keep the music alive and well. The same goes for hip hop music.

What the heck does "hip hop" mean, anyway? I think this term just sprang into the lexicon as if it has always existed, when clearly it has not. You said, "Ask me something," so I'm asking! - Earl (old dude... 51!)

Finally the question I have been waiting for?Hip Hop is a culture that mainly consist of Breakdancing, Fashion, Dee Jaying (scracthing records), graffiti art, and MC'ing (rapping). Hip Hop also strecthes to self expression what ever it may be rather if you are a skater, tuner or whatever else that's separate from the so-called American Norm Standards set by others. The true purpose of this culture is to express yourself anyway you see fit. Not sure what you meant by it not always exisited. When in fact it actually has. Hip Hop expression goes as far back as the Civil Rights Movement. Granted there weren't any rappers back then but That generation sent the tone for self expression, In which grew decade by decade Just remember this quote stated by one of greatest MC's in my lifetime."Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live"-KRS ONE

KRS-One. He is a smart man. I'm not pimpin him b/c he's from my home stompin ground either (BRonx, NY).A few years ago I watched an interview of him. His philosphy is deep and he is very much a role model for the youth of today. In that interview he mentioned that he was working on a curriculum for a history of hip hop class to teach the younger generation of how this lifestyle started. I thought it was genius. Most of these kids (20 and under) never grew up knowing what a b-boy was, never seen kids breakdancing at a street corner. Some of them might have witnessed lyrical or DJ battles, but that was the extenet of their intorduction. This is another reason why the essence of hip hop is starting to crumble. The commercial aspect of the culture is starting to overtake the purity of the culture. People think of hip hop they immediatley think of a 1. thug 2.ghetto or worse 3. wannabe. Nobody thinks of creativity anymore when they think of hip hop. That's what hip hop was all about, being creative and finding your nitch, or your own way to express yourself. I will get off my soap box now. Yank thanks for the links I will check them out later.

Anyone remember (The Human Beat Box) The Fat Boys?

quote:KRS-One. He is a smart man. I'm not pimpin him b/c he's from my home stompin ground either (BRonx, NY).A few years ago I watched an interview of him. His philosphy is deep and he is very much a role model for the youth of today. In that interview he mentioned that he was working on a curriculum for a history of hip hop class to teach the younger generation of how this lifestyle started. I thought it was genius. Most of these kids (20 and under) never grew up knowing what a b-boy was, never seen kids breakdancing at a street corner. Some of them might have witnessed lyrical or DJ battles, but that was the extenet of their intorduction. This is another reason why the essence of hip hop is starting to crumble. The commercial aspect of the culture is starting to overtake the purity of the culture. People think of hip hop they immediatley think of a 1. thug 2.ghetto or worse 3. wannabe. Nobody thinks of creativity anymore when they think of hip hop. That's what hip hop was all about, being creative and finding your nitch, or your own way to express yourself. I will get off my soap box now. Yank thanks for the links I will check them out later. AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!! check out KRS ONE's special site for folks that understand what this is all about. I only pass this on to "worthy" people.http://www.templeofhiphop.org

quote:Anyone remember (The Human Beat Box) The Fat Boys?Unfortunately He died of a heart attack in 1995RIP Human Beat Box

The Fat Boys were major stars! They took this art form to another level.

There is in fact a new generation of beat boxers today.Scratch and RazhelBoth are from Philly and are members of a band called The Roots.If you have ever heard music from The Roots. the turntable scratching that you hear in the songs? Well it's not a turntable it's a human's voice. -hence the name - Scracth. Remember the guy in Police Academy? he just as good as that guy in the movie.you can sample his solo CD (which I have also) herehttp://www.okayplayer.com/scratch/

Too many old people on the forums...lol just kidding...A LOT of rap music today is all about bling bling, money, ho's, clothes, etc.....so a lot of it just doesn't get me. I think that Outkast is very different with their beats and lyrics... a very nice contrast to Luda, Murder Inc., etc.

quote:What the heck does "hip hop" mean, anyway? I think this term just sprang into the lexicon as if it has always existed, when clearly it has not. You said, "Ask me something," so I'm asking! - Earl (old dude... 51!)I don't think you fully answered Earl's question (at least the way I interpreted it), so I'll rephrase it.What are the origins of the term "hip hop"?

Where did Snoop Dogg get the "Shizzle my Fizzle"? And what does it all mean?

quote:Where did Snoop Dogg get the "Shizzle my Fizzle"? And what does it all mean? As with the different styles in clothing worn in Different Cities, the same goes for slang terms. For Shizzle my Nizzle is code for for sure my N-. in which is heavily used out west That style of slang came from an original 1970's song called the Double Dutch Bus.

Shizzle stands for Sure. Instead of saying Most Definately, some slang is MosDef, (also a rappers name, and was in the movie The Italian Job :thumbup, Fo shizzle my nizzle, No boubt, and countless others.

quote:What the heck does "hip hop" mean, anyway? I think this term just sprang into the lexicon as if it has always existed, when clearly it has not. You said, "Ask me something," so I'm asking! - Earl (old dude... 51!)I don't think you fully answered Earl's question (at least the way I interpreted it), so I'll rephrase it.What are the origins of the term "hip hop"?Here is the time line for the first decade of Hip Hop "Music" begining in 1971. The origins lie here:(The Light Age, 1971-1981) 1971 • Richard Roundtree stars in the movie Shaft. • James Brown, The Last Poets, Sly and the Family Stone, the Jimmy Castor Bunch, Gill Scott Heron, and others of similar style are popular in the inner city. • Mr. Rock, the N. Twins, Peewee Dance, Sister Boo, and others are at the Factory West perfecting the Freestyle Dance maneuvers that would later be known as Breakin Poppin, and Lockin. • The Five Percenters, founded by Clarence 13X--Father, is popular. 1972 • Kool DJ Herc, a well known Deejay in the Bronx, takes the advice of his sister, Cindy, and begins to regularly play his collection of Soul and Funk music for the youth of the 1600 and 1520 Sedgwick Avenue Community Centers, in the Bronx. • Jimmy Lee, Jimmy Dee, and JoJo form the Rock Steady Crew. • Mahalia Jackson, famous gospel singer dies at age sixty. • Angela Davis is acquitted of murder conspiracy charges. • Started locally in Chicago, Soul Train (a Black music and dance television show) airs with the support of Johnson products, Inc. 1973 • Boy Yong Yong hats are in style. • The movie, The Godfather, wins three Academy Awards, one for Best Picture. • Bernice Johnson Reagon forms the socially conscious acapella singing group Sweet Honey in the Rock. • Afrika Bambaataa establishes The Mighty Zulu Nation; formerly The Organization. 1974 • Grandmaster Flash introduces the idea for the Deejay mixer and begins cutting, mixing and scratching the musical breaks of phonograph records. • Hiphoppas are meeting at the Sparkles Night Club, Club Plaza, and The Sand Box in the Bronx. • Wanda Dee, believed to be the first female DeeJay, is popular in the Bronx along with Cool DeeJay Dee and Disco B. 1975 • DeeJay Flash and Cowboy popularized the call and response routine Say Ho--oo and Throw ya hands in the air…. • Television show The Jeffersons starring Isabel Sanford, Sherman Hemsley and Marla Gibbs is popular. • Disco King Mario is popular. 1976 • Grand Wizard Theodore, an apprentice to Grandmaster Flash, discovers Scratchin. • DeeJay Jazzy Jay, (of Zulu Nation) and D.ST. (Delancey Street) are B-Boys. • Crazy Leggs, Ken Swift, Kippy Dee, Buc 4, Cooliyaki, Mr. Freeze, Take One, and others join Rock Steady Crew. • M.C. Cassanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz) is popular. • DeeJay Eddie Cheba is popular. 1977 • New York experiences a Black Out after an explosion at one of its main power plants. Massive looting and violence occurred all night into the morning. • For eight consecutive nights, ABC Television broadcast Alex Hailey’s Roots. • DeeJays and Emcees are making cassette tape recordings of their live performances and selling them on the street. • Graffiti Art has exploded. Some feel this era of Graffiti Art remains to be it’s most creative time. • Kool Moe Dee begins his Emcee career. 1978 • Hiphop branches out to other parts of New York as a standard inner-city expression and code of communication. • Disco Fever is where all of the Hiphop community would meet. It was this year that early Hiphop began to recognize the uniqueness of its expressions. MC Busy Bee is popular. 1979 • July--Good Times by Chic (Atlantic) hits No.1 on the pop chart, becomes a roller-rink favorite, and provides the bass line for Rapper’s Delight. • The Fatback Band’s album Fatback XII, including the proto-rap track King Tim III (Personality Jock), hits the pop chart. • The Sugarhill Gang’s Rapper’s Delight is the first Rap single released on the Sugar Hill label, formed in New Jersey earlier in the year by former R&B singer Sylvia Robinson. It’s the first Rap single to hit Top 40. • Tanya Sweet Tee Winley releases Vicious Rap, the first known Hiphop recording by a female vocalist, on her dad’s label, Paul Winley Records. • Studio 54, a nightclub in the New York Times Square area is popular. By 1983 it began to grow out of control and intergrate into American Culture:(The Golden Age, 1981-1991) 1980 • January 25--Black Entertainment Television, founded and owned by Robert L. Johnson premieres. • May--Kurtis Blow’s The Breaks is released and becomes the first Rap 12-inch single to be certified gold and only the second 12-in single ever to do so. His Christmas Rappin, released in late ’79, becomes the third 12-inch to be certified gold. Later this year, Blow releases the first Rap album on a major label. (Mercury Records). • September--Kurtis Blow plays Madison Square Garden on a bill featuring Bob Marley and the Commodores. • How We Gonna Make the Black Nation Rise• (Clappers) by Brother D with Collective Effort - the first Hiphop recording to openly question the status of Black people, preceding Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five’s The Message by two years - dated on its sleeve as being released this year. According to Brother D himself, it was actually released in 1981. • The Funky Four + 1More perform at the Mudd Club. Though not widely noted or remembered, this and other shows expose much of New York’s hip, White, downtown audience to Hiphop, accelerating the co-opting of the form by the mainstream. 1981 • February--The Funky Four +1More are the first Hiphop musical guests on Saturday Night Live. • April--The first major news article on B-Boyin (a.k.a. Break Dancing), To the Beat Y’all: Breaking is Hard to Do by Sally Banes, is published in the Village Voice. • July--ABC’s 20/20 airs Rappin’ to the Beat, television’s first national news story on Hiphop. • December--New York City mayor Ed Koch escalates his war on graffiti by allocating $22.4 million to build double fences with razor-edged metal coils around 18 subway yards, in addition to the dogs that were already patrolling. These new efforts do not stop graffiti writers. • Tom Silverman founds Tommy Boy Records in New York City. It becomes one of Hiphop’s most influential labels featuring Afrika Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force, De La Soul, Queen Latifah and others. 1982 • April--Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force (Tommy Boy) is released; it is certified gold four months later. Advanced for its time, it also deeply influences what will later become the bass music style of Rap from the Southeast. • July--Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five’s “The Message” (Sugar Hill) explodes. It’s widely hailed by many for demonstrating that Hiphop music can provide insightful social commentary. • October--Wild Style, directed by Charlie Ahearn, premieres. The first feature film about Hiphop Kulture and its elements. Officially opens in 1983. • December--The New York City Rap tour-featuring Emcees, DeeJays, Breakers, Poppers, Lockers, and Graffiti Artists-travels to London and Paris. This is the first international tour to feature all of Hiphop’s elements. • Kool Moe Dee battles Busy Bee. 1983 • Michael Jackson releases Thriller. • September 15th--Mic
hael Stewart, 25, is arrested for writing graffiti on a New York subway wall. Thirteen days later, he dies in the hospital; the New York Times reports, “An autopsy found that Stewart’s fatal coma was caused by a spinal injury inflicted while he was being subdued.” Stewart’s controversial death precedes a host of police brutality cases that will mar the coming decade. • October--Kool DJ Red Alert’s show debuts on WRKS New York 98.7 FM, creating a prime-time, commercial radio showcase for new and established Rap music artists. In ’88, influenced by Boogie Down Productions, Red Alert begins playing dance hall music as well. • Run DMC releases the 12 inch single It’s like that (A side) and Sucker M.C.s (B side) and takes Hiphop fashion, language, political views and music into the American mainstream. • The Fearless Four, after releasing several well-received singles on the Harlem-based Enjoy label, becomes the first Emcee crew (Rap group) to sign with a major label, Elektra Records. • Grandmaster Flash, a.k.a. Joseph Saddler, leaves the group Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five and begins a lengthy $5 million lawsuit against Sugar Hill Records to regain control of the group’s full name. The group reunites in the late ‘80s. • Technics introduces the SL-1200MKII turntable, which will become a DeeJay standard. • Crazy Leggs of the Rock Steady Crew’s brief but powerful appearance in Flashdance catalyzes a worldwide break-dancing craze, though there is no Rap music on the movie’s million selling soundtrack. 1984 • Rapper Sweet Tee releases One for the Treble (Tuff City) with Davey DMX. • RUN DMC release their debut album RUN DMC (Profile). • January 18--Henry Chalfant and Tony Silver’s Style Wars, the first documentary about Hiphop Kulture with a focus upon Graffiti Art subculture, is broadcast on PBS. • April--Video Music Box, the first music video TV show devoted to Hiphop, is founded by Ralph McDaniels and Lionel Vid Kid Martin, on WNYC New York. • Before becoming Public Enemy, Chuck D and others released a song this year entitled Lies under the name of Spectrum City. • June 29--The short-lived program Graffiti Rock premieres on WPIX-TV New York. It features performances by popular Rap groups like Run DMC and the Treacherous Three. • September--The 1984 Swatch Watch New York City Fresh Fest, Hiphop’s first national tour, debuts Labor Day weekend in Greensboro, NC. Including 27 dates through Christmas, the tour featuring Run D.M.C., Kurtis Blow, Whodini, the Fat Boys, Newcleus, and New York’s Dynamic Breakers grosses $3.5 million. Later, the Fat Boys sign an endorsement deal with Swatch. • November--Def Jam Recordings, an independent Hiphop label in New York City co-owned by manager/promoter Russell Simmons and producer Rick Rubin, is founded in Rubin’s New York University dorm room with an initial investment of $8,000. The 12-inch single “I Need a Beat” by 16-year-old L.L. Cool J is the first record for both the artist and the label. Recorded for just $700, it sells more than 100,000 copies. • The Five Percenters celebrate their 20th anniversary. The tenets of this Islamic organization are associated with many prominent artists including Rakim Allah, King Sun, Poor Righteous Teachers and others. 1985 • LL Cool J releases his debut album Radio (Def Jam). • Before becoming Boogie Down Productions, Scott LaRock and the Celebrity Three (KRS-ONE, MC Quality, Levi 167) release a song entitled Advance (Zakia) • Michael Schultz’s Krush Groove, featuring performances by Run D.M.C., the Fat Boys, L.L. Cool J, Kurtis Blow, and the Beastie Boys made on a $3 million budget, opens in 515 theaters nationwide and is cited as the No. 1 movie in America by Variety the following week. When a 17-year-old is thrown through a window after one New York screening, Krush Groove becomes the first to fall victim to the rap-movies-cause-violence paranoia that will grip the genre for the next decade. • Run DMC, Kurtis Blow, The Fat Boys, Melle Mel and Whodini appear on the song King Holiday to promote a national observance for Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday (Polygram). • Roxanne Shante battles U.T. F.O. • Def Jam Recordings’ co-owners, Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin, sign a distribution agreement for $600,000 with Columbia Records, the largest major label deal for a Hiphop record company at the time. The first release under the agreement is the album Radio by L.L. Cool J. • King of Rock by Run D.M.C. (Profile) becomes the first Rap album available on CD. • Run DMC, Melle Mel, Scorpio, Duke Bootee, The Fat Boys and Afrika Bambaataa appear on the song Sun City to rap against Apartheid in South Africa. • Scott Sterling (Scott LaRock) and Krist Parker (KRS-ONE) form Boogie Down Productions, with the intention of making intelligence and knowledge a new trend in Hiphop. KRSONE is an acronym for Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over Nearly Everyone. • The Show b/w La-Di-Da-Di by Doug E. Fresh and MC Ricky D. (a.k.a. Slick Rick) hits. Soon after, the two break up and pursue solo careers. • Grandmaster Flash signs a solo contract with Elektra, followed by Grandmaster Melle Mel and other group members. After their lack of success, the group reunites in 1987 as Grandmaster Flash, Melle Mel & the Furious five for a charity concert at Madison Square Garden, hosted by Paul Simon. • Supernature (Salt n’ Pepa) battles Doug E Fresh with their debut 12 inch single The Showstopper (Reality). 1986 • January--Kurtis Blow appears on the cover of England’s Blues & Soul magazine, demonstrating the international appeal of Hiphop’s first major Rap star. • June--Run D.M.C., performing on the Raising Hell tour at the Spectrum in Philadelphia, exhort fans to hold up their Adidas. Five thousand pairs of Adidas immediately go up in the air, as the crowd of 20,000 watches the trio rip into their hit single, “My Adidas.” Their manager video tapes the moment and sends a copy to the company. The gesture earns the crew an endorsement deal with the German footwear manufacturer. The company manufactures four Run D.M.C. styles: The Eldorado, the Brougham, and the Fleetwood (named after the group’s three favorite Cadillac models), and the Ultra Star. • Beastie Boys release their debut album Licensed to Ill (Def Jam). • Boogie Down Productions release South Bronx, a song that was to start an Emcee battle between Boogie Down Productions (B.D.P.) and the Juice Crew (M.C. Shan, Mr. Magic Marley Marl and others). It was called, “The Bridge Wars.” • August 17--Fighting breaks out between gang members attending the Long Beach Arena date of Run D.M.C.’s Raising Hell tour. Police, summoned by promoters when the melee erupts at 7:35 P.M., don’t arrive until 11. Forty-two people are injured in what is, up to that time, Hiphop’s most notoriously violent event. The California arena had already established a 16-year history of violence at concerts. Some of the previous incidents: In 1970, 46 were arrested at a Jethro Tull show, in 1971, 21 were arrested after battling with police at a Ten Year’s After Show; in 1972, 31 were arrested on drug charges at a Led Zeppelin performance; in 1985, a young concert goer was injured when he fell from a balcony onto his head at a Deep Purple show. • December 4--Run D.M.C. are the first Rap group to appear on the cover of Rolling Stone, an honor they earn as a result of "Raising Hell" (Profile) becoming Hiphop’s first multiplatinum Rap album. 1987 • The Juice Crew release Evolution, which featured De
bbie D, Kool G Rap, Glamorous, MC Shan and TJ Swan for Black History Month. • Boogie Down Productions release its debut album Criminal Minded (B Boy). • Eric B & Rakim release their debut album Paid in Full (Broadway/Island). • KRS-ONE battles Melle Mel live at the Latin-Quarter Night Club. • February 24--At the 29th Grammy ceremony a trio of young, White New York Rappers called the Beastie Boys present the Best Male Rock Vocalist award to Robert Palmer for Addicted to Love. But before announcing the winner, they interrupt the proceedings to play a taped portion of Public Enemy’s unreleased Timebomb. • March 7--Licensed to Ill by the Beastie Boys (Def Jam) becomes the first Rap album to hit No. 1 on the pop album chart, after first charting in November 1986. • August 27th--, Twenty-five-year old Scott Monroe Sterling, a.k.a. D.J. Scott LaRock of Boogie Down Productions, dies at 1:25 A.M. from gunshot wounds to the head. Along with Blastmaster KRS-ONE and Ced G of Ultramagnetic MC’s, LaRock had just produced Criminal Minded (B-Boy), now considered one of the landmarks in recorded Rap music. LaRock is later memorialized at Madison Square Garden by KRS-ONE in a show that also features Public Enemy. • New Music Seminar holds it's first event. • Eric B. and Rakim Releases Paid in Full (4th and Broadway). • Street Frogs, the first Rap-music oriented Saturday morning cartoon, makes its T.V. debut. It is cancelled, only to be followed by the Kid ‘n Play cartoon (1990), and then Hammerman (1991). • Just Ice, who once appeared on America’s Most Wanted, dubs himself the original Hiphop gangsta on his album Back to the Old School (Sleeping Bag/Fresh). KRS-ONE would produce Just Ice’s next two albums Kool and Deadly (1987) and the Desolate One (1988). • Afrika Bambaataa holds a cipher discussion on the need for a Hiphop Union. This meeting took place at the Latin Quarters nightclub in Manhattan, New York. It was attended by Stetsasonic, Heavy D, the Audio Two, KRS-ONE, MC Lyte and others. 1988 • Public Enemy release It takes a nation of millions to hold us back (Def Jam). • EPMD releases their debut album Strictly Business (Priority). • Big Daddy Kane releases his debut album Long live the Kane (Cold Chillin). • Slick Rick releases his debut album The Great Adventures of Slick Rick (Def Jam). • NWA (Niggas With Attitude) releases Straight Outta Compton (Ruthless/Priority). • Latin Quarter nightclub on 48th Street and Broadway in New York’s Times Square closes down. • January--Boogie Down Productions release By All Means Necessary (Jive) which features the single Stop The Violence. • September--A fan is stabbed to death at the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, N.Y. during a date on the Dope Jam tour, after a patron brings a knife into the arena. Jive Records’ A&R Executive Ann Carli would eventually talk to KRS-ONE and Nelson George about the formation of the Stop the Violence Movement. • The single Self Destruction, by the all star Rap group The Stop the Violence Movement (Jive), is released to counter the rising tide of violence associated with Rap music. It features KRS-ONE, Stetsasonic, Kool Moe Dee, MC Lyte, D Nice, Ms. Melodie, Doug E Fresh, Just-Ice, Heavy D, Public Enemy, and others. • February--The first Grammy is awarded in the Best Rap Performance category to D.J. Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince for Parents Just Don’t Understand. This year they release He’s the DJ, I’m the Rapper (Jive), their second album and one of Rap music’s first double albums, which becomes certified double platinum. However, they do not show because the presentation of their award will not be aired. • July--Heavyweight champ Mike Tyson, fractures his right hand in a street fight with boxer Mitch Blood Green in front of Hiphop clothier Dapper Dan’s Boutique in Harlem. • Dana Owens, a.k.a. Queen Latifah, debuts with the single Wrath of My Madness (Tommy Boy). • August--Co-founded by Harvard students, David Mays and Jon Schecter as a newsletter for the Street Beat radio program, the Source magazine publishes its first issue. Slick Rick and KRS-ONE would be among their first cover stories. • September--YO! MTV Raps (created by Ted Demme) premieres on MTV, with former Graffiti Artist and occasional Emcee Fab 5 Freddy as host. • November--Tone-Loc’s Wild Thing video debuts on MTV, and the record soon sells more than 2.5 million copies. Wild Thing is later blamed in some circles for inspiring the vaguely defined phenomenon known as wilding and for inciting the rape of a jogger in New York’s Central Park in April 1989. 1989 • January 3--The Arsenio Hall Show airs its first episode. The program becomes the only late night talk show to regularly feature Rap artists as musical guests until its cancellation in 1994, which ended with an all-star freestyle rap session featuring Yo-Yo, Wu Tang Clan, MC Lyte, Das Efx, KRS-ONE, Mad Lion, CL Smooth, Pete Rock and others. • Wreckx-n-Effect battles Stetsasonic. • X Clan battles 3rd Bass. • Inspired by DJ Brucie B of the legendary Roof Top Roller Rink/club, DJ Kid Capri releases a landmark mix tape entitled 10/9/89 which changes Rap music marketing forever. • May 22--In an interview in the Washington Times, Professor Griff of Public Enemy is quoted as saying that Jews are responsible for the majority of wickedness that goes on across the globe. The comment goes largely unnoticed until the story hits the Village Voice fours weeks later, when the incident promptly goes nuclear. Griff later leaves the group due to the fallout from the controversy, and his own group, the Last Asiatic Disciples, is signed to Luke Records. • August--An FBI representative sends a letter to Priority Records, regarding N.W.A.’s song **** tha Police on the platinum selling Straight Outta Compton. The letter suggests that the group is inciting violence against and disrespect for the law enforcement officer. • After not performing **** tha Police throughout their first national tour, N.W.A. are chased from the stage by police as they start the song during the tour’s final date at Detroit’s Joe Louis Arena. • September 8--Twenty-eight-year-old Keith Wiggins, a.k.a. Cowboy of Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, dies in Queens after waking up two days earlier paralyzed from the waist down. He was perhaps one of the most distinctive vocalists and innovative stylists in early recorded and pre-recorded Rap music. • October 13—Rap group Salt-N-Pepa sell one million records for Rap label Next Plateau as Push It becomes certified platinum. • The cable channel Video Jukebox Network (the Box) starts airing nationally and will succeed in breaking many artists after the decline of YO! MTV Raps’ video dominance. • Slick Rick releases his first solo album, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick (Def Jam). • Kool Moe Dee battles L.L. Cool J. Hope this will answer your question guys......

quote:Murder Inc.GARBAGE! Ashanti is smart by leaving that place!

I was fortunate to be able to go to this.... http://www.livedaily.com/news/4940.html At RiverBend in Cincinnati, Ohio on July 9thIt was good! The line-up was:BonecrusherFabolousSnoop Dogg50 cent (with Lloyd Banks and Tony Yayo, G-UNIT)Jay-Z (with Memphis Bleek & Beanie Sigel, THE ROC) Bonecrusher and Fabolous performed for 30 minutes or so and the rest of the performers had an hour! Unfortunately, you couldn't take in a camera for pictures to show you!

quote:Murder Inc.GARBAGE! Ashanti is smart by leaving that place!Tell me about it I one have one Ja Rule CD only because it was the selection of the month when you get 5 free ones (my picks) I've only played it 2 times and its been collecting dust for about 3 years now.

quote:I was fortunate to be able to go to this.... http://www.livedaily.com/news/4940.html At RiverBend in Cincinnati, Ohio on July 9thIt was good! The line-up was:BonecrusherFabolousSnoop Dogg50 cent (with Lloyd Banks and Tony Yayo, G-UNIT)Jay-Z (with Memphis Bleek & Beanie Sigel, THE ROC) Bonecrusher and Fabolous performed for 30 minutes or so and the rest of the performers had an hour! Unfortunately, you couldn't take in a camera for pictures to show you!If you love hip hop concerts, YOU MUST GO TO A ROOTS SHOW!Check the dates for the Sprite Tour this summer with Talib Kweli and NERD the tix are only $10

quote:If you love hip hop concerts, YOU MUST GO TO A ROOTS SHOW!Check the dates for the Sprite Tour this summer with Talib Kweli and NERD the tix are only $10Actually, I missed "them" a few months ago! They were at the University of Cincinnati putting on a concert, I should have went! I have a buddy that goes to UC and went! The next month Nappy Roots were there!

quote:Too many old people on the forums...lol just kidding...A LOT of rap music today is all about bling bling, money, ho's, clothes, etc.....so a lot of it just doesn't get me. I think that Outkast is very different with their beats and lyrics... a very nice contrast to Luda, Murder Inc., etc. That's the record companies for you. Only die hard fans search futher into the music to find underground hits that later become mainstream. Previous examples are Busta Rhymes, 50 CENT, The Roots, Jay-Z, WU-Tang Clan and a lot more. Nowadays the underground is like a farm system when eventually if catch the eye of record execs you become mainstream the bad news is that your music becomes tainted with a changed image. As far as underground goes, it's never marketed properly for consumers to notice, unless you are a die hard fan. You would be amazed of the diamonds in the ruff that lie in underground

quote:Actually, I missed "them" a few months ago! They were at the University of Cincinnati putting on a concert, I should have went! I have a buddy that goes to UC and went! The next month Nappy Roots were there!No not Nappy Roots, "The Roots". They are the only hip hop live band in the game. They can play every song on earth. You name it they can play it.check for datesSprite Liquid Tour Dates from Vh1.com:8/14 - Denver, CO @ Universal Lending Pavilion 8/15 - Denver, CO @ Universal Lending Pavilion 8/17 - Auburn, WA @ White River Amphitheatre 8/21 - Santa Barbara, CA @ Santa Barbara Bowl 8/22 - Los Angeles, CA @ Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 8/23 - San Francisco, CA @ Chronicle Pavilion 8/26 - Dallas, TX @ Smirnoff Centre 8/27 - Houston, TX @ Woodlands Pavilion 8/29 - Atlanta, GA @ Hi-Fi Buys Amphitheatre 8/30 - Raleigh, NC @ Alltel Pavilion 8/31 - Washington, DC @ Nissan Pavilion 9/1 - Virginia Beach, VA @ Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 9/4 Philadelphia, PA @ Tweeter Center at the Waterfront 9/5 Columbus, OH @ Germain Amphitheatre 9/6 - Chicago, IL @ Tweeter Center 9/7 - Detroit, MI @ DTE Energy Music Center 9/9 - Pittsburgh, PA @ Chevrolet Amphitheatre 9/10 - Cleveland, OH @ Tower City Amphitheatre 9/12 - Holmdel, NJ @ PNC Bank Arts Center 9/13 - Wantagh, NY @ Jones Beach Amphitheatre 9/14 - Boston, MA @ Tweeter Center

No I understood you! I was telling you that I missed them both at UC, THE ROOTS and NAPPY ROOTS! They were both there, just on separate occasions!

oh ok my bad

quote:Finally the question I have been waiting for?Hip Hop is a culture ...OK... great explanation, thanks!. But where does the term come from?

Here is my personal answer because right now there is no real answer. Remember Disco in the 70's? Well there was a "roller skating tune" back called Rapper's Delight. performed by the Sugar Hill Gang in 1979. The song didn't really start the culture and music, however it did give birth to the title in which is used today. Being that this was the first rap song to make the top 40 charts that year. This music and culture was crowned hip hop from the first verse in the song:-------------------------------------------------------------------------i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat-------------------------------------------------------------------------hence the term hip hop

I'll take that answer. Its hard to say exactly when the culture was tagged with the term hip hop but that guess is alot better than mine.

Rapper's Delight. performed by the Sugar Hill Gang in 1979.That was the beginning of Hip Hop as I remember. LOL, I was 15 years old at the time and still have the 45 lp. http://www.bus.miami.edu/~ldouglas/house/shill/rd.mp3