The RIAA and you

[yank dini]

This topic is being heavily discussed in my other forum. I thought I would bring some flavor to GenVibe and see what the other target market thinks about the RIAAFirst off. I do agree with the artist make his or her money but When you involve the record company that isn't paying adequate royalties on one side and price goughing the consumer on the other side. That reeks of doo doo.....Second going after the consumer regarding downloading songs is total BS.... It is the worst business practice I have ever witnessed....I personally do not download illegal songs. And Im' constantly buying CD's so much that I check the net for new releases every Tue..... But to only offer me a $15 rebate after buying CD's for 15 years really pisses me off. It's almost like a slap in the face. I dunno when it comes to that both sides are wrong but the RIAA must cease with the Propoganda BS and look for a new way to practice good biz......That is all

[Vibe Rater]

http://www.earthstation5.comEarthStation5 thumbs nose at recording industryBased in refugee camp Mark EvansFinancial PostMonday, September 29, 2003The music industry's all-out assault on illegal downloaders has rattled a lot of people -- but not staff at fledgling EarthStation5.The firm, which launched a portal earlier this year featuring peer-to-peer software that allows people to download music anonymously, likes to boast that it is a prime destination for music lovers around the world -- and is far superior to giants like Kazaa. It's also proud of its militant anti-industry stance.Based in the West Bank's Jenin refugee camp, the company loves to thumb its nose at the Recording Industry Association of America's (RIAA) recent attempts to stop people from illegally downloading music on the Internet."Copyright is of no value to EarthStation5," proclaims spokesman Steve Taylor, who lives in San Diego. "The Palestinians are more concerned with daily life and living with a war.... Pleasing the [RIAA] means nothing to these people.""They wonder if they going to live tomorrow," Mr. Taylor said.EarthStation5's president, Ras Kabir, who claims to be Palestinian but spent much of his childhood in Manchester, England, with his mother, said that it is unlikely anyone with a legal beef will go after EarthStation5."We're in Palestine, in a refugee camp," Mr. Kabir said."There aren't too many process servers that are going to be coming into the Jenin refugee camp."The lack of a corporate headquarters would also make it hard to go after EarthStation5.Mr. Taylor said the firm does not have a corporate headquarters because the Palestinian communities are shut down by the Israelis during "flare-ups," which would make it impossible for people to get to work.Instead, most of the company's 561 employees work in Palestine and such foreign countries as Estonia, Finland and Russia.In August, EarthStation5 made it abundantly clear it has little respect for copyright when it rejected an e-mail from the Motion Picture Association of America for copyright violations for streaming free first-run movies.The company said that it was "at war" with MPAA and RIAA, and it would run even more free movies."The next revolution in P2P file-sharing is upon you," Mr. Kabir warned the MPAA and RIAA in a statement. "Resistance is futile and we are now in control."Mr. Taylor said EarthStation5 doesn't care what the music, movie and software industries think about its role in violating copyright."The Palestinians could care less what the Americans do or, for that matter, what other governments do," he said. "The copyright laws in Palestine are simple. If you don't violate the copyright of a Palestinian, it's legal."EarthStation5's bravado has attracted plenty of attention for a Web site that has been criticized by P2P users for its unimpressive interface and lack of features.EarthStation5 claims that rivals like Kazaa, Grokster, iMesh and Gnutella -- the giants of the business -- don't measure up."EarthStation5 is light year's ahead of other technology," he said, citing its superiority over its P2P rivals like Kazaa.Not surprisingly, EarthStation5 is attracting skeptics who believe it is more of a P2P rogue than a company with goals to become a global portal.Jorge Gonzalez, co-founder of ZeroPaid Inc., which provides information about P2P networks, said he has started to question EarthStation5's claims. He began to question the portal after it began advertising on his Web site.While EarthStation5's promotional strategy worked, it also resulted in some negative comments about its portal that were subsequently posted on ZeroPaid's Web site.After the comments were posted, ZeroPaid says EarthStation5 employees launched personal attacks on Mr. Gonzalez and his partner Chris Hedgecock."These guys are up to something," Mr. Gonzalez said. "They claim they have 15 million users on their network. What they are saying is they have three to four times as many users on the system as Kazaa."Come on, no matter what audience they are appealing to, that's sh--. It is a clunky, underdeveloped application."Perhaps.But as the music industry uses lawsuits to shut down P2P sites and scares people into stopping to download music, it is likely EarthStation5 could become more notorious as people seek out alternatives and underground file-sharing clubs.mevans@nationalpost.com

[NovaResource]

quote:This topic is being heavily discussed in my other forum.You can say that again. I think it's a dead horse you're beating in your avatar.Give it up already.

[yank dini]

good to know it took you three months to notice that.....

[ragingfish]

Haha...I didn't notice the date myself...I've mistakenly assumed that posts on the top of the active topics list that I don't recognize are new...never occurs to me about resurrected threads...

[NovaResource]

quote:good to know it took you three months to notice that.....DOH! I'm a dope. I didn't notice the date. I thought you were starting a second thread on this topic. I thought the "other forum" was that other thread:http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=6002

[yank dini]

quote:Haha...I didn't notice the date myself...I've mistakenly assumed that posts on the top of the active topics list that I don't recognize are new...never occurs to me about resurrected threads...This was my first "AND ONLY POST" about the RIAA. The other ones I just replied too. So I didn't think that one lil post was beating a dead horse, that no one replied too by the way until Vibe rater came with that story. (sounds like the search feature worked to well this time) But on another note Im done with the topic.touche!

[Merzbow]

No one will probably read this far into the post lol but heres my opinion....this is about the kazaa file sharing thing I'm asuming. I beleive that must popular bands such as linkin park, briteney spears, christina Augulara, and Sum 41 along with others, are all government/corperation sponsered groups, they were sinmply put togather to make the people happy. The only reason the record labels are sueing(spelling) people who dl music is because the big corperations and governement arnt getting money...it's not the record companies or the music groups that are doing it.....They may be doing it but not by will. They don't have a choice since they are owned by someone. Honestly though....where did briteney spears make her money to get this popular???I dont think she went around to night clubs to sing....she was only like, what, 16 when she started??? If you think about it....what sense would it be for a record company sueing its own customers??? It would be like Pepsi filing lawsuits against anyone who stole a single can of pop out of the whole entire world....Thats what I think.

[yank dini]

quote: If you think about it....what sense would it be for a record company sueing its own customers??? It would be like Pepsi filing lawsuits against anyone who stole a single can of pop out of the whole entire world....Thats what I think.Or better yet beatin the crap out of a dope fiend for buying drugs from you.Neither party is doing the right thing. It just the way both sides are handling it.